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Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:17 am

wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JulesK wrote:But Wez we haven't allegedly spent anything so how can we have ffp issues? Can't see it myself unless some serious fraud or laundering has gone on.




Not spent anything but what is wages then? We make losses like most other clubs ... it's the amount of losses over 3 yrs that defines ffp sure someone will know the figures... unlike Derby no one is fiddling the sale of property sounds like you are suggesting someone is taking unauthorised money out club ? :o


Wages yes but some seem to think there's only Mr Tans pocket money coming in.
What about ticket sales, merchandise etc ffs we are not a poor club when you look at others. I find it amazing that we are paying wages to the likes of Dalman and Choo but what exactly are they doing? Last I heard Dalman was reinvigorated and running the show with his money.

Ticket sales are around 5 million a year , our wage bill is 20 million puts it in perspective

That ticket sales can be right If we average 11,000 crowd at an average of £20 per ticket that would be £5m over 23 games and our average price ticket is way above £20 Even season ticket averages are above that per game.

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:47 am

Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JulesK wrote:But Wez we haven't allegedly spent anything so how can we have ffp issues? Can't see it myself unless some serious fraud or laundering has gone on.




Not spent anything but what is wages then? We make losses like most other clubs ... it's the amount of losses over 3 yrs that defines ffp sure someone will know the figures... unlike Derby no one is fiddling the sale of property sounds like you are suggesting someone is taking unauthorised money out club ? :o


Wages yes but some seem to think there's only Mr Tans pocket money coming in.
What about ticket sales, merchandise etc ffs we are not a poor club when you look at others. I find it amazing that we are paying wages to the likes of Dalman and Choo but what exactly are they doing? Last I heard Dalman was reinvigorated and running the show with his money.

Ticket sales are around 5 million a year , our wage bill is 20 million puts it in perspective

That ticket sales can be right If we average 11,000 crowd at an average of £20 per ticket that would be £5m over 23 games and our average price ticket is way above £20 Even season ticket averages are above that per game.

You forgetting kids and students and consessions

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:05 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JulesK wrote:But Wez we haven't allegedly spent anything so how can we have ffp issues? Can't see it myself unless some serious fraud or laundering has gone on.




Not spent anything but what is wages then? We make losses like most other clubs ... it's the amount of losses over 3 yrs that defines ffp sure someone will know the figures... unlike Derby no one is fiddling the sale of property sounds like you are suggesting someone is taking unauthorised money out club ? :o


Wages yes but some seem to think there's only Mr Tans pocket money coming in.
What about ticket sales, merchandise etc ffs we are not a poor club when you look at others. I find it amazing that we are paying wages to the likes of Dalman and Choo but what exactly are they doing? Last I heard Dalman was reinvigorated and running the show with his money.

Ticket sales are around 5 million a year , our wage bill is 20 million puts it in perspective

That ticket sales can be right If we average 11,000 crowd at an average of £20 per ticket that would be £5m over 23 games and our average price ticket is way above £20 Even season ticket averages are above that per game.

You forgetting kids and students and consessions

Yes but myself and many thousands pay £750 and more a year for level 4 and Diamond lounge if it is called that any more is £1000 plus
I think these more than make up for any concessions

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:07 pm

Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JulesK wrote:But Wez we haven't allegedly spent anything so how can we have ffp issues? Can't see it myself unless some serious fraud or laundering has gone on.




Not spent anything but what is wages then? We make losses like most other clubs ... it's the amount of losses over 3 yrs that defines ffp sure someone will know the figures... unlike Derby no one is fiddling the sale of property sounds like you are suggesting someone is taking unauthorised money out club ? :o


Wages yes but some seem to think there's only Mr Tans pocket money coming in.
What about ticket sales, merchandise etc ffs we are not a poor club when you look at others. I find it amazing that we are paying wages to the likes of Dalman and Choo but what exactly are they doing? Last I heard Dalman was reinvigorated and running the show with his money.

Ticket sales are around 5 million a year , our wage bill is 20 million puts it in perspective

That ticket sales can be right If we average 11,000 crowd at an average of £20 per ticket that would be £5m over 23 games and our average price ticket is way above £20 Even season ticket averages are above that per game.

You forgetting kids and students and consessions

Yes but myself and many thousands pay £750 and more a year for level 4 and Diamond lounge if it is called that any more is £1000 plus
I think these more than make up for any concessions

Even if its 1000 of you that 750k there's loads only paying 49 and 99 pound sesson tickets look.at the accounts ticket sales are a small part of the turnover

Re: CCFC Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:12 pm

I fully expect at least 3 maybe more players to come in before the window closes

Unfortunately it’s a sellers market so we will lose out on some targets we just can’t compete with other clubs at times

At least 2 more going out as well!!

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:41 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Abergavenny wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
JulesK wrote:But Wez we haven't allegedly spent anything so how can we have ffp issues? Can't see it myself unless some serious fraud or laundering has gone on.




Not spent anything but what is wages then? We make losses like most other clubs ... it's the amount of losses over 3 yrs that defines ffp sure someone will know the figures... unlike Derby no one is fiddling the sale of property sounds like you are suggesting someone is taking unauthorised money out club ? :o


Wages yes but some seem to think there's only Mr Tans pocket money coming in.
What about ticket sales, merchandise etc ffs we are not a poor club when you look at others. I find it amazing that we are paying wages to the likes of Dalman and Choo but what exactly are they doing? Last I heard Dalman was reinvigorated and running the show with his money.

Ticket sales are around 5 million a year , our wage bill is 20 million puts it in perspective

That ticket sales can be right If we average 11,000 crowd at an average of £20 per ticket that would be £5m over 23 games and our average price ticket is way above £20 Even season ticket averages are above that per game.

You forgetting kids and students and consessions

Yes but myself and many thousands pay £750 and more a year for level 4 and Diamond lounge if it is called that any more is £1000 plus
I think these more than make up for any concessions

Even if its 1000 of you that 750k there's loads only paying 49 and 99 pound sesson tickets look.at the accounts ticket sales are a small part of the turnover


Even so our average crowd this season is around 20k based on that to get to £5m the average paying fan would have to pay £11 a match and let’s face it that just does not add up The attendance taking may be a small part of the turnover but I just can’t believe it is only £5M

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:28 pm

Abergavenny wrote:Hopefully it is just him having english as his 2nd language It could be as simple as we have offered £1.5 million and Bournemouth want £2m So we have to up our offer so that is the financial problem / issue at this stage

Re: CCFC Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:37 pm

This is absolute bollocks FFP on our backs

“A new three year spend cycle”. That’s not how FFP works, it’s a rolling cycle. It doesn’t reset every 3 years.

As for £10m from the insurance company, equally bollocks. It’s less than that.

Re: CCFC Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:01 pm

Simple fact is if the manager doesn't no the direction of the club and communication between the board and him limited then we cant expect anything to a success.
Bulut seems to be a bit frustrated join the club erol mate .
The club raised all expectations themselves no they have to put the money where there mouth is but there seems to be no financial backing or is it all games time will tell us .

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:34 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:That is a big concern.

He got it completely wrong today but I do still have faith in him.

I also strongly believe he’ll walk if he doesn’t get backed. He can go back to Turkey and get another job.


Worcester, I think any owner about our level would give him a job. Given money he can build a great squad. Only time will tell if he gets it here.
Wouldn’t blame him for leaving at the end of the season if he’s not backed.

Re: Financial problems

Sun Jan 14, 2024 2:43 pm

CaerphillyBluebird15 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That is a big concern.

He got it completely wrong today but I do still have faith in him.

I also strongly believe he’ll walk if he doesn’t get backed. He can go back to Turkey and get another job.


Worcester, I think any owner about our level would give him a job. Given money he can build a great squad. Only time will tell if he gets it here.
Wouldn’t blame him for leaving at the end of the season if he’s not backed.


I think most managers have the capability of building a great squad given financial backing but the question is does he have the ability to fashion a great team if he's allowed to bring in the players he wants. That is the great unknown. We just can't assume that Bulut is good enough given what we've seen so far.