FAO Keith Morgan

Keith,


I am just with my friend The Huddersfield Town Fan Accountant Dominic on half-term holiday and he says Huddersfield Town NEVER GOT INFORMED OF THIS NEW RULE 3 DAYS BEFORE ???


Hmmm?

Huddersfield Town Spent £5mill in January

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Jules,

All we asked for is a link to what apparently happened, is that bad asking for that?

Plus I have the Huddersfield Accountant sat with me now and he said Huddersfield Town never had such a letter 3 days before.

Remember Keith is fully behind Dalman and Co and baffles you with what Dalman what’s us to read.


Join the Trust? You having a laugh 300 members, We have an average of 22,500 home crowds

Yes this Forum was always allowed 2 persons to represent the fans from here, BUT TAN / DALMAN did not like our questions so tje invites were stopped.

Keith

Could I ask a question please:

If it is the case that the club had FFP issues going on do you agree with me and think it would have been prudent for the club hierarchy to just be honest and say that they have issues with FFP.

It might not have been the news that we wanted but a lot can be said for a club that provides honesty and clarity in all situations

Bit of drama, not a transfer window in sight.

:happy1:

Bit of drama, not a transfer window in sight.

All us fans want is a link to the EFL sent to our club three days before transfer deadline, surely if it’s true that’s not asking a lot?

Keith

Could I ask a question please:

If it is the case that the club had FFP issues going on do you agree with me and think it would have been prudent for the club hierarchy to just be honest and say that they have issues with FFP.

It might not have been the news that we wanted but a lot can be said for a club that provides honesty and clarity in all situations

Great question mate , honesty is all we want

Keith

Could I ask a question please:

If it is the case that the club had FFP issues going on do you agree with me and think it would have been prudent for the club hierarchy to just be honest and say that they have issues with FFP.

It might not have been the news that we wanted but a lot can be said for a club that provides honesty and clarity in all situations

Fair question Paul.

Back in October last year I think it was the club Finance Director said at a meeting (attended by Trust, Supporters Club ,DSA and independent travel group reps.)that the club was budgeted to be P&S compliant but the actual outcome was dependent on budgeted income turning into reality. I reported on that meeting at the time to Trust members and I believe some copied and pasted that report on social media. So it shouldn`t be "new news" now.

The club itself has been poor in communication with the fanbase and that is why I (and others) have spent so much time over the last few years in helping bring about the Government White Paper on football governance where clubs are now compelled to have proper and serious consultation with fans` representatives. This has led to the recent formation of the Fans Advisory Board at our club where all season ticket holders had the opportunity to form part of its 10 members (plus a member from club sponsors).

The FAB is entirely independent of the club and is able and willing to ask awkward questions of the club when necessary and appropriate which it is obliged to answer. This will greatly improve communication with fans and provide a more open and honest flow of information.

Keith

I don’t care about another baffling post giving explanations on Dalmans behalf.


I want to see in B/W a link to what your saying below Keith that happened a few days before.
The New Rules?


Keith Morgan wrote this week:

I don`t see why you are describing my latest post in response to Ian as baffling Annis. It is written in simple, plain English that is easy for people to read. You also seem to have a fixation with anything that is said that support`s the club`s view on things as being on " Dalmans behalf". Nothing I say is on anyone`s behalf but is my own independent view based on facts and research.
To be honest, when you resort to insulting me simply because you don`t , won`t or can`t understand something I write has caused me to decide to stop posting on here. It is not the first time I have decided to do so , but trying to explain things to you is becoming an impossibility as you simply don`t or won`t understand even when explained to you several times. Getting you to listen or understand is about as easy as trying to knit fog!

Keith,


I am just with my friend The Huddersfield Town Fan Accountant Dominic on half-term holiday and he says Huddersfield Town NEVER GOT INFORMED OF THIS NEW RULE 3 DAYS BEFORE ???


Hmmm?

Huddersfield Town Spent £5mill in January

What is a Huddersfield Town Fan Accountant? Is he a Huddersfield Town fan who happens to be an accountant? What is his link to the EFL and their rules and procedures?

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Jules,

All we asked for is a link to what apparently happened, is that bad asking for that?

Plus I have the Huddersfield Accountant sat with me now and he said Huddersfield Town never had such a letter 3 days before.

Remember Keith is fully behind Dalman and Co and baffles you with what Dalman what’s us to read.


Join the Trust? You having a laugh 300 members, We have an average of 22,500 home crowds

Yes this Forum was always allowed 2 persons to represent the fans from here, BUT TAN / DALMAN did not like our questions so tje invites were stopped.

1. Where have I referred to a letter?
2. Is the person sat next to you actually the Huddersfield Town finance director or in house accountant or just an accountant from Huddersfield?
3. I am not "fully behind Dalman" as you claim and my posts are simple enough for anyone with a basic reading ability to read and understand rather than "baffling". To be honest I have become increasingly sick of your false claims and accusations which usually follow a topic which you don`t understand or haven`t read properly
4, When was this forum always allowed two persons to represent the fans? In all the years I have attended meetings with the club no-one was there as a representative of this or any other forum. Did any suggest any forum members put themselves forward for election to the Fans Advisory Board where season ticket holders could have voted them in(the club had no say in who put themselves forward or were voted in)?

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Jules,

All we asked for is a link to what apparently happened, is that bad asking for that?

Plus I have the Huddersfield Accountant sat with me now and he said Huddersfield Town never had such a letter 3 days before.

Remember Keith is fully behind Dalman and Co and baffles you with what Dalman what’s us to read.


Join the Trust? You having a laugh 300 members, We have an average of 22,500 home crowds

Yes this Forum was always allowed 2 persons to represent the fans from here, BUT TAN / DALMAN did not like our questions so tje invites were stopped.

1. Where have I referred to a letter?
2. Is the person sat next to you actually the Huddersfield Town finance director or in house accountant or just an accountant from Huddersfield?
3. I am not "fully behind Dalman" as you claim and my posts are simple enough for anyone with a basic reading ability to read and understand rather than "baffling". To be honest I have become increasingly sick of your false claims and accusations which usually follow a topic which you don`t understand or haven`t read properly
4, When was this forum always allowed two persons to represent the fans? In all the years I have attended meetings with the club no-one was there as a representative of this or any other forum. Did any suggest any forum members put themselves forward for election to the Fans Advisory Board where season ticket holders could have voted them in(the club had no say in who put themselves forward or were voted in)?

Keith,

Honestly not interested in anything you write until you put the Link on here from EFL that they said 3 days before end of Transfer Window or just admit a mistake or lied to defend Dalman, PLEASE

Also when you in future try to Defend the The Regime on FFP I can’t wait on future New Topics

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Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Correct their are NO New Rules 3 days before the end of the transfer window.

Funny Huddersfield Town never got any New Rules.

I just want honesty / Not Dalmans PA putting out absolute rubbish.

Their is NO Link as there were NO NEW RULES.

I don’t care about another baffling post giving explanations on Dalmans behalf.


I want to see in B/W a link to what your saying below Keith that happened a few days before.
The New Rules?


Keith Morgan wrote this week:

It's excuses everywhere I've lost all faith in the club from the ground up. We must be the only club where the fans are constant left in the lurch and zero communication unless its the bs spread to try shut people up

Kyle,

The Regime have a couple of mouth pieces to spread the bullshit.

Myself, Dibs and a few others got stopped from going to the meetings because if you don’t toe the line, they don’t want you there.
To be fair to Keith he finally spoke out a year ago and that’s was him on the list, but then he’s made up with them and all I ever see is Keith now backing the The Regime.

On and of the field we have now been in dire straights for years and all we ever here is we are planning for the future
We have had cheap / inexperienced managers one after another.
Promise of debt to be totally cleared that was 15 yrs ago.
Court case after court case.
And years of dire football.

All we want to see is a simple link to Keith’s latest support of the Regime?

Annis

I wasn`t aware of any ban on fans attending recent meetings with the club but then I don`t draw up the invite list. You are almost certainly not invited as you live in Majorca so would be a bit impractical. If it helps and you are in Cardiff when the next meeting is held (they are always at short notice) let me know and I will certainly request/press that you get an invite. I have been at a couple of meetings where Dibs was present and he wasn`t stopped from asking questions. Who told him that he couldn`t attend? Most meetings have had at least a few independent travel group representatives present and they certainly haven`t been shy to ask awkward questions of the board. The same applies to the most recent informal meeting held with the newly formed FAB - plenty of pressing questions asked at that as there will be going forward.

My posts are not " support of the regime", they are totally independent of the club as I have been throughout my 62 years as a supporter and particularly since my involvement in the Trust since it started about 15 tears ago, If I disagree with the club I will say so (as I often have). If I don`t agree I will say so just as readily.
Where I get frustrated with this board is where people won`t, don`t or can`t read things properly before reacting. This is why I am seriously giving consideration to ceasing to post on here again in the future - it can be a waste of time and effort.

A couple of the moderators on here (Chris and Roger) try and give a balanced view of things. I am unsure with Kyle as his posts suggest he is very young and they are sometimes quite difficult to read.

You make me laugh Keith,

First I have a season ticket for 52 Consecutive seasons

And My Ban as you call it lol was a year before I moved to Mallorca and was not allowed anymore as you know I am straight to the point and don’t toe the line.

But link please as your changing the subject as usual


The link to what the club was told that you said happened 3 days before PLEASE ?

Didn't bulut say in in his press conference? .

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Jules,

All we asked for is a link to what apparently happened, is that bad asking for that?

Plus I have the Huddersfield Accountant sat with me now and he said Huddersfield Town never had such a letter 3 days before.

Remember Keith is fully behind Dalman and Co and baffles you with what Dalman what’s us to read.


Join the Trust? You having a laugh 300 members, We have an average of 22,500 home crowds

Yes this Forum was always allowed 2 persons to represent the fans from here, BUT TAN / DALMAN did not like our questions so tje invites were stopped.

1. Where have I referred to a letter?
2. Is the person sat next to you actually the Huddersfield Town finance director or in house accountant or just an accountant from Huddersfield?
3. I am not "fully behind Dalman" as you claim and my posts are simple enough for anyone with a basic reading ability to read and understand rather than "baffling". To be honest I have become increasingly sick of your false claims and accusations which usually follow a topic which you don`t understand or haven`t read properly
4, When was this forum always allowed two persons to represent the fans? In all the years I have attended meetings with the club no-one was there as a representative of this or any other forum. Did any suggest any forum members put themselves forward for election to the Fans Advisory Board where season ticket holders could have voted them in(the club had no say in who put themselves forward or were voted in)?

Keith,

Honestly not interested in anything you write until you put the Link on here from EFL that they said 3 days before end of Transfer Window or just admit a mistake or lied to defend Dalman, PLEASE

Also when you in future try to Defend the The Regime on FFP I can’t wait on future New Topics

I’ve read through this thread and in simple terms what was the “accounting adjustment “ which resulted in a change in the amount of money available in the last three days of the window , was it a simple error , was money’s due not paid or was it something else that caused the problem?

Boohoo, folk still having a sulk then?
If Keith putting details out to the Trust first offends you.....

Join the Trust SIMPLES.

Jules,

All we asked for is a link to what apparently happened, is that bad asking for that?

Plus I have the Huddersfield Accountant sat with me now and he said Huddersfield Town never had such a letter 3 days before.

Remember Keith is fully behind Dalman and Co and baffles you with what Dalman what’s us to read.


Join the Trust? You having a laugh 300 members, We have an average of 22,500 home crowds

Yes this Forum was always allowed 2 persons to represent the fans from here, BUT TAN / DALMAN did not like our questions so tje invites were stopped.

1. Where have I referred to a letter?
2. Is the person sat next to you actually the Huddersfield Town finance director or in house accountant or just an accountant from Huddersfield?
3. I am not "fully behind Dalman" as you claim and my posts are simple enough for anyone with a basic reading ability to read and understand rather than "baffling". To be honest I have become increasingly sick of your false claims and accusations which usually follow a topic which you don`t understand or haven`t read properly
4, When was this forum always allowed two persons to represent the fans? In all the years I have attended meetings with the club no-one was there as a representative of this or any other forum. Did any suggest any forum members put themselves forward for election to the Fans Advisory Board where season ticket holders could have voted them in(the club had no say in who put themselves forward or were voted in)?

Keith,

Honestly not interested in anything you write until you put the Link on here from EFL that they said 3 days before end of Transfer Window or just admit a mistake or lied to defend Dalman, PLEASE

Also when you in future try to Defend the The Regime on FFP I can’t wait on future New Topics

I’ve read through this thread and in simple terms what was the “accounting adjustment “ which resulted in a change in the amount of money available in the last three days of the window , was it a simple error , was money’s due not paid or was it something else that caused the problem?

Will only know when the accounts are published next year unless the club makes a statement before .

An interesting yet confusing thread this; and one I'm glad a busy day prevented me from commenting on until now...

Firstly, I am able to confirm that neither Annis or Dibs were ever 'banned' from certain meetings. My understanding was they simply 'weren't invited' after the hierarchy realised they would ask (shall we call them) 'uncomfortable' questions; most of which were skirted around when asked anyway...

Secondly, I have to say that I am also confused over this '3-day notice' for a number of reasons...

Firstly, and I have looked, it doesn't appear to be apparent when/where this 'new' FFP Rule came from...

Secondly, regardless of timing, wouldn't all 24 Championship clubs (maybe the whole EPL/EFL) have received and have to adhere to said 'updated' rules...?

Thirdly, even if these 'new' rules were in place, as has been suggested, would they not have been communicated some considerable time before their enforcement, as it is surely not right or proper that any 'new' rules could take effect during a window; much the same as other 'new' rules and regulations would take effect before rather than during a season's start date...?

It certainly isn't clear but my immediate thoughts are that these 'new' rules were put in place some time ago and actually took effect on 1st February 2024; a day after the closing of the January Transfer Window...

That would make perfect sense but beggars one last (for now) question, i.e. 'How/why were the club not aware of the situation until 3 days before the window closure...?

It appears very odd indeed when some of us knew Erol Bulut had players lined up with deals agreed before the window opened, so it is only reasonable to questiin both the accuracy and validity of this '3-day notice'...

Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Correct their are NO New Rules 3 days before the end of the transfer window.

Funny Huddersfield Town never got any New Rules.

I just want honesty / Not Dalmans PA putting out absolute rubbish.

Their is NO Link as there were NO NEW RULES.

Keith has said that the independent regulator change the amount city could spend, bulut also confirmed this in his press conference not sure what else Keith can say really .

Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Yes this is exactly how I have read Keiths replies on here, will definitely miss his posts on here, if he does carry out his threat not to post again, and before anyone suggests it I have no connection to him and am completely neutral not even a member of the trust

Agree , he puts the finances in layman's terms for people who let's be honest havnt got a clue on accounts it would be a sad loss to the board if he's forced out .

Whatever happened it was enough to scare the richest club in premier league to not spend money for fear of running foul of ffp... and they wasn't only ones something like £600m less was spent than previous January that should tell people something was done to curtail spending by all clubs.

Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Correct their are NO New Rules 3 days before the end of the transfer window.

Funny Huddersfield Town never got any New Rules.

I just want honesty / Not Dalmans PA putting out absolute rubbish.

Their is NO Link as there were NO NEW RULES.

Keith has said that the independent regulator change the amount city could spend, bulut also confirmed this in his press conference not sure what else Keith can say really .

Wow Wez is on


Where is the link to EFL Statement saying this ??


I personally only wanted to see a link like many posters like to see to confirm, not really asking for much??

An interesting yet confusing thread this; and one I'm glad a busy day prevented me from commenting on until now...

Firstly, I am able to confirm that neither Annis or Dibs were ever 'banned' from certain meetings. My understanding was they simply 'weren't invited' after the hierarchy realised they would ask (shall we call them) 'uncomfortable' questions; most of which were skirted around when asked anyway...

Secondly, I have to say that I am also confused over this '3-day notice' for a number of reasons...

Firstly, and I have looked, it doesn't appear to be apparent when/where this 'new' FFP Rule came from...

Secondly, regardless of timing, wouldn't all 24 Championship clubs (maybe the whole EPL/EFL) have received and have to adhere to said 'updated' rules...?

Thirdly, even if these 'new' rules were in place, as has been suggested, would they not have been communicated some considerable time before their enforcement, as it is surely not right or proper that any 'new' rules could take effect during a window; much the same as other 'new' rules and regulations would take effect before rather than during a season's start date...?

It certainly isn't clear but my immediate thoughts are that these 'new' rules were put in place some time ago and actually took effect on 1st February 2024; a day after the closing of the January Transfer Window...

That would make perfect sense but beggars one last (for now) question, i.e. 'How/why were the club not aware of the situation until 3 days before the window closure...?

It appears very odd indeed when some of us knew Erol Bulut had players lined up with deals agreed before the window opened, so it is only reasonable to questiin both the accuracy and validity of this '3-day notice'...

Thank you Chris,


To honest and fair for some of these Dalman backers etc

All the OP originally asked for is a simple link,

Not much to ask for if it’s true?????


Chris,


I personally only wanted to see a link like many posters like to see to confirm, not really asking for much??

Firstly, I sincerely hope Keith changes his mind and continues to post on this forum

Whether people agree or disagree with his views he always tries to explain difficult financial decisions in layman’s terms we can all understand which is always helpful

From the discussion’s on this thread today it’s pretty obvious that the club didn’t spend the money it was going to spend at the start of the window

The question that really needs to be answered is why??

Firstly, I sincerely hope Keith changes his mind and continues to post on this forum

Whether people agree or disagree with his views he always tries to explain difficult financial decisions in layman’s terms we can all understand which is always helpful

From the discussion’s on this thread today it’s pretty obvious that the club didn’t spend the money it was going to spend at the start of the window

The question that really needs to be answered is why??

I personally only wanted to see a link like many posters like to see to confirm, not really asking for much??

Why has this become so big an issue if it true?

when all many of us want is a link to the EFL statement 3 days before the Transfer Deadline.

Not really asking much??

Annis I don’t think there is any “link” to new rules because there aren’t any NEW rules

I believe what Keith is saying is there is now a new group of accountants employed by the EFL to monitor EVERY EFL club’s compliance and adherence to the existing rules

Obviously the club found out during the transfer window that their compliance with these rules where not what they originally thought they would be meaning that the club was not able to spend what they thought they would be able to without breaking the existing FFP rules

So, it made no difference at all whether Tan was prepared to spend a considerable amount of money during the window we weren’t able to do so because we would break the FPP rules which would have led to yet another transfer embargo

Now, whether the club should have been much better at interpreting these rules themselves and knowing we had less money to spend than they first thought is another matter and perhaps that’s the question that needs asking??

Correct their are NO New Rules 3 days before the end of the transfer window.

Funny Huddersfield Town never got any New Rules.

I just want honesty / Not Dalmans PA putting out absolute rubbish.

Their is NO Link as there were NO NEW RULES.

Keith has said that the independent regulator change the amount city could spend, bulut also confirmed this in his press conference not sure what else Keith can say really .

Because Dalman told Bulut this


Remember you Wez did not want to believe Bulut when he had ago at your mates Tan / Dalman / Unbelievable

I have read this topic with interest today, always respected Keith, but I can’t see how clubs were told with three days to go that new rules applied, I think Keith needs to hold his hands up and come clean and say he wrong on this.

Keith there is no shame in saying I hold my hands up I got it wrong.

Well boys I don’t think we are going to see a link, Dalman has to much influence over Keith, Trust are supposedly independent, not controlling over trusts

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