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Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:25 pm

I presume from this statement then that bulut will probably be jumping ship to find a transfer funded club
And he will be leaving the billy smarts circus
rather than staying on for our usual pre season
of scrattin around in the depths of bargain basement and once again its groundhog day again comes around before you know it.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:26 pm

pembroke allan wrote:At end of day can anyone say when we was not in peril? Its just the life of a football club any club for that matter..... as we will not be going into administration as op says how perilous is the actual situation considering we've invested millions in off field facilities like academy ..... Wouldn’t that been better spent elsewhere?

Only made a profit twice in the last 20 odd years so we've always been insolvent so nothing really new , people must be mad to invest 10s of millions into football .they're all gambling really to make it big .

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:35 pm

Certain people are missing the whole point by a country mile, as has Wez, little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


We know most clubs like a lot of businesses are run on debt that has to be serviced.

What they are somehow missing is the level of growing liability compared to Tans wealth and the omission of his being guarantor etc as this goes up.

His comment about the last 15 years is clueless as the picture has worsened to the point of what's been stated in both reports and also Tan not addressing it by a statement, which causes doubt.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:36 pm

wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:At end of day can anyone say when we was not in peril? Its just the life of a football club any club for that matter..... as we will not be going into administration as op says how perilous is the actual situation considering we've invested millions in off field facilities like academy ..... Wouldn’t that been better spent elsewhere?

Only made a profit twice in the last 20 odd years so we've always been insolvent so nothing really new , people must be mad to invest 10s of millions into football .they're all gambling really to make it big .


Wez a buisness like no other buisness that's best way uo describe it... .. but must be something in it for people otherwise won't get involved in 1st place .

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:40 pm

WOW

Wez is Tans / Dalmans PA fighting to the death for them

As his hero’s continue to show they don’t give a f**k for Cardiff City OUR CLUB

Funny Wez never ever says anything on FB to stick up for his heroes

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:40 pm

Certain people are missing the whole point by a country mile, as has Wez, little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


We know most clubs like a lot of businesses are run on debt that has to be serviced.

What they are somehow missing is the level of growing liability compared to Tans wealth and the omission of his being guarantor etc as this goes up.

His comment about the last 15 years is clueless as the picture has worsened to the point of what's been stated in both reports and also Tan not addressing it by a statement, which causes doubt.
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Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:40 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:At end of day can anyone say when we was not in peril? Its just the life of a football club any club for that matter..... as we will not be going into administration as op says how perilous is the actual situation considering we've invested millions in off field facilities like academy ..... Wouldn’t that been better spent elsewhere?

Only made a profit twice in the last 20 odd years so we've always been insolvent so nothing really new , people must be mad to invest 10s of millions into football .they're all gambling really to make it big .


Wez a buisness like no other buisness that's best way uo describe it... .. but must be something in it for people otherwise won't get involved in 1st place .



I think it might just be ego in a lot of cases, Tan being a good example.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:43 pm

Nothing new here really but a good reminder of where we are as is the case for many football clubs.

You really do have to be nuts to invest in a football club. Tan knew nothing about football when he saved us and unfortunately has learned nothing since that time. Will always be grateful he did but he really should have put a Director of football in charge from day one.

It’s perfectly understandable he wants his money back as he didn’t do this out of his love for CCFC, and he’s simply not going to sell the club until the Sala case is finally concluded as have no doubts that’s been taken into account re his inflated £200m valuation. The calls for him to sell up to likes of Sam and others for a lesser sum are just pointless at this time.

He isn’t likely to get it via promotion before then unless he finds a manager this season who can work miracles on a budget like McKenna. The alternative would be to gamble money on Bulut and quite frankly in his position that would be utter madness based on the past season.

I think we are all just have to accept that this season is going to be a write off unfortunately unless we can somehow unearth a McKenna like appointment.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 2:55 pm

This is utter nonsense

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:02 pm

bluelover wrote:Nothing new here really but a good reminder of where we are as is the case for many football clubs.

You really do have to be nuts to invest in a football club. Tan knew nothing about football when he saved us and unfortunately has learned nothing since that time. Will always be grateful he did but he really should have put a Director of football in charge from day one.

It’s perfectly understandable he wants his money back as he didn’t do this out of his love for CCFC, and he’s simply not going to sell the club until the Sala case is finally concluded as have no doubts that’s been taken into account re his inflated £200m valuation. The calls for him to sell up to likes of Sam and others for a lesser sum are just pointless at this time.

He isn’t likely to get it via promotion before then unless he finds a manager this season who can work miracles on a budget like McKenna. The alternative would be to gamble money on Bulut and quite frankly in his position that would be utter madness based on the past season.

I think we are all just have to accept that this season is going to be a write off unfortunately unless we can somehow unearth a McKenna like appointment.

Again, like others, you miss the point and the fact that this really is new news where both Directors and Auditors call the club in a 'precarious' position with no written guarantee from the owner...

No one has said we will go under. Indeed, even Tan's fiercest critic states he won't let that happen but the current direction without a touch of the Warnock luck is at best stagnation and probably a slip back to the relegatiin fight and/or worse...

Something needs to happen and it's currently all in one man's hands...

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:06 pm

exiled12345 wrote:This is utter nonsense

Not a post ( ;) ) in over a year and you come up with this beaut...! :clap:

State your educated reasoning, then...! :ayatollah:

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm

Might end up watching a Friday evening news to see if we still exist. Groundhog day.

Is Dalmans loans safe as he seems to be going off scene again or did he know this was coming out?
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Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:20 pm

Sven wrote:
bluelover wrote:Nothing new here really but a good reminder of where we are as is the case for many football clubs.

You really do have to be nuts to invest in a football club. Tan knew nothing about football when he saved us and unfortunately has learned nothing since that time. Will always be grateful he did but he really should have put a Director of football in charge from day one.

It’s perfectly understandable he wants his money back as he didn’t do this out of his love for CCFC, and he’s simply not going to sell the club until the Sala case is finally concluded as have no doubts that’s been taken into account re his inflated £200m valuation. The calls for him to sell up to likes of Sam and others for a lesser sum are just pointless at this time.

He isn’t likely to get it via promotion before then unless he finds a manager this season who can work miracles on a budget like McKenna. The alternative would be to gamble money on Bulut and quite frankly in his position that would be utter madness based on the past season.

I think we are all just have to accept that this season is going to be a write off unfortunately unless we can somehow unearth a McKenna like appointment.

Again, like others, you miss the point and the fact that this really is new news where both Directors and Auditors call the club in a 'precarious' position with no written guarantee from the owner...

No one has said we will go under. Indeed, even Tan's fiercest critic states he won't let that happen but the current direction without a touch of the Warnock luck is at best stagnation and probably a slip back to the relegatiin fight and/or worse...

Something needs to happen and it's currently all in one man's hands...


It’s not new news at all though. Have a look at the previous accounts for 2020, 2021 and 2022. Same statement in the accounts. See this all the time as I review annual accounts regularly in my job. It’s not good but not unusual for companies being propped up by wealthy owners, especially unsuccessfully run football clubs which unfortunately there are many with such a differential in money available in the top tier.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:22 pm

JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:23 pm

wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:25 pm

Paul, I see Why you wrote it like that. Some will say all clubs are in the same position etc which is crazy, as it us we are concerned about, not them.


Heads in the sand, clueless and will blindly accept the current situation as they think all clubs are the same. We should be where the likes of Brighton are now, actually better. There's are no excuses and this could all change tomorrow with a phone call.

First reply will be Wez

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:29 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:35 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:39 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club

Tell me what I've said that isn't honest? ,

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:42 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club


I think you both share a desire like all of us and I mean all of us that we want Tan gone. The difference is in your expectations of how that should happen.

Of course he is putting his interests above that of the clubs . One of you expects Tan to go and lose loads of money and the other sees it as reasonable that he should do so on his own terms.

Didn’t I see you drinking together recently. Don’t let this come between you. You both love CCFC, just see things differently, as we all do on this board

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:46 pm

bluelover wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club


I think you both share a desire like all of us and I mean all of us that we want Tan gone. The difference is in your expectations of how that should happen.

Of course he is putting his interests above that of the clubs . One of you expects Tan to go and lose loads of money and the other sees it as reasonable that he should do so on his own terms.

Didn’t I see you drinking together recently. Don’t let this come between you. You both love CCFC, just see things differently, as we all do on this board




Yes we are very good friends away from this Forum :lol: :lol:

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:48 pm

I don't think i have heard or read an interview from Dalman that says anything but we are at the behest of the owner who pumps millions in to keep us afloat. So its not fresh news to me.

Yes, it's Tan's plaything and he may have loaned us £200mill and the club is worth £80 million, but that's his problem not mine.

I pay £370 a year to watch the games, as long as I don't receive an invoice for £8K to make up his losses I don't give one. If he pulls his money his £80mill ends up £40 million, again I couldn't care less.

With power comes great responsibility and in his case, cost.

Pompey has gone through the wringer but will start next season the same as us.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:48 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Paul, I see Why you wrote it like that. Some will say all clubs are in the same position etc which is crazy, as it us we are concerned about, not them.


Heads in the sand, clueless and will blindly accept the current situation as they think all clubs are the same. We should be where the likes of Brighton are now, actually better. There's are no excuses and this could all change tomorrow with a phone call.

First reply will be Wez


So Annis what's your fix. Trying to hound Tan out ? I'm just guessing like everyone else but Tan's probably had a twatful of Cardiff City but I just don't see any short term fix.We are not more "in the muck" that we were 15yrs ago and it's a matter of record that we would have been done and dusted then and not still struggling now.You may not like the hand that feeds you but,nonetheless ,you shouldn't try and bite it off either. He won't sell unless he gets what he wants for the City and no amount of people saying how much THEY think the City is worth matters a jot.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:48 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club
run like a circus? It's probably more professional now than at anytime ,
How can you say he doesn't care he puts in and writes off 10s of millions a season it's a myth made up by you hes put over 250 million into us ,if he didn't care he would of fook off a long time ago, for someone whos a business man sometimes you let your hatred cloud your common sense of the reality of championship football clubs .you know fully well that most clubs are insolvent in football, you know fully well that there is a plan laid out by the club on numerous occasions recently to become more self sufficient by building the Accademy up and not relying on Tans investment , you might not like the plan but that's there for all to see its been mentioned over the years the proof is in the new academy and houses of sport poping up everywhere in south wales . Should Tan go probably yes it's gone stale but come on the offers have to been good enough and all the shouting on your board isn't going to sway him is it ? .

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:49 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club


Tell me what I've said that isn't honest? ,




99% is disillunal in what you say

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:50 pm

As op as said tan wont go into administration for obvious reasons to many if that's the case and
no reason to doubt it so there is only one other outcome tan will sell we will just have to play waiting game so bit more pain for long term gain.....but in reality nothings changed regarding club its got no money so not sure why people are taking perilous as meaning club going under soon when it's not.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:50 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club
run like a circus? It's probably more professional now than at anytime ,
How can you say he doesn't care he puts in and writes off 10s of millions a season it's a myth made up by you hes put over 250 million into us ,if he didn't care he would of fook off a long time ago, for someone whos a business man sometimes you let your hatred cloud your common sense of the reality of championship football clubs .you know fully well that most clubs are insolvent in football, you know fully well that there is a plan laid out by the club on numerous occasions recently to become more self sufficient by building the Accademy up and not relying on Tans investment , you might not like the plan but that's there for all to see its been mentioned over the years the proof is in the new academy and houses of sport poping up everywhere in south wales . Should Tan go probably yes it's gone stale but come on the offers have to been good enough and all the shouting on your board isn't going to sway him is it ? .



More professional :lol: :lol:


Put that on FB and see the replies

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:53 pm

Paul Keevel

Some will say all clubs are in the same position etc which is crazy, as it us we are concerned about, not them.


Heads in the sand, clueless and will blindly accept the current situation as they think all clubs are the same. We should be where the likes of Brighton are now, actually better. There's are no excuses and this could all change tomorrow with a phone call.

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:53 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
JulesK wrote:So, is Dalman worried about his loan?

I'm not even sure it's his money , it's unsecured seems weird his wages were basically taken down by 80% at the same point too .hmmmmmm



The truth is your not sure about anything and make it up as you go to protect your heroes :lol:

I know as much as you annis , your not itk as much as anyone else, we all got a player or journalist or coach we talk to but 99% of the time as proved on all the breaking news topics recently it turns out to be just that rumours ! . I love this board but come on its getting a bit tiresome of rehashed stories most of which if you delve into can be proven to be bullshit .



The difference is Wez,

I am Honest and Tan and his cronies are running our club like a circus.

Everyone but you can see this and Tan does not care or give a shit about Our Club
run like a circus? It's probably more professional now than at anytime ,
How can you say he doesn't care he puts in and writes off 10s of millions a season it's a myth made up by you hes put over 250 million into us ,if he didn't care he would of fook off a long time ago, for someone whos a business man sometimes you let your hatred cloud your common sense of the reality of championship football clubs .you know fully well that most clubs are insolvent in football, you know fully well that there is a plan laid out by the club on numerous occasions recently to become more self sufficient by building the Accademy up and not relying on Tans investment , you might not like the plan but that's there for all to see its been mentioned over the years the proof is in the new academy and houses of sport poping up everywhere in south wales . Should Tan go probably yes it's gone stale but come on the offers have to been good enough and all the shouting on your board isn't going to sway him is it ? .



More professional :lol: :lol:


Put that on FB and see the replies

Oh come on annis remember under sam or risdale

Re: " OFFICIAL - CCFC: PRECARIOUS POSITION AS A GOING CONCER

Sun May 12, 2024 3:54 pm

For fucks sake are there really City fans sticking up for Tan, no wonder he turned us red so easy