Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 8:43 pm
Imagine murdering 190 UN Staff Members, with bombings, machine gun fire and snipers, and then calling the UN a "terrorist organization"
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 8:45 pm
Imagine in 7 months 147 Media Reporters have been Murdered, surely that’s does not happen.
Oh yes Israel have done that in the last 7 months.
Oh yes Israel have done that in the last 7 months.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 8:51 pm
IF ANY ISRAELI DISPUTES WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON 7TH OCT:
You go to Prison unbelievable / shocking :
Because 70% of it never happened like Israeli Government says, many were killed by their own IDF and their own homes blown up by the IDF.
Israeli Ministerial Committee approves imprisonment for denying Oct. 7,
ZAKA compensation
By YAKI ADAMKER
Published: FEBRUARY 5, 2024 03:42
The bills were issued by Israeli politicians from three different parties.
The Israeli Ministerial Committee for Legislative Affairs approved three bills initiated by Otzma Yehudit MK Almog Cohen, Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer, and Likud MK Moshe Passal, Walla reported on Sunday.
The bills include the deportation of families of terrorists, imprisonment for those who deny the Hamas massacre on October 7, and compensation for ZAKA volunteers.
Forer's bill
The bill approved by Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer prohibits the denial of the October 7 massacre. According to the proposal, anyone who publishes, in writing or orally, things that deny the massacre or downplays it or publishes praise, sympathy, or identification with the actions committed by Hamas in the events of that day - will be sentenced to five years in prison.
You go to Prison unbelievable / shocking :
Because 70% of it never happened like Israeli Government says, many were killed by their own IDF and their own homes blown up by the IDF.
Israeli Ministerial Committee approves imprisonment for denying Oct. 7,
ZAKA compensation
By YAKI ADAMKER
Published: FEBRUARY 5, 2024 03:42
The bills were issued by Israeli politicians from three different parties.
The Israeli Ministerial Committee for Legislative Affairs approved three bills initiated by Otzma Yehudit MK Almog Cohen, Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer, and Likud MK Moshe Passal, Walla reported on Sunday.
The bills include the deportation of families of terrorists, imprisonment for those who deny the Hamas massacre on October 7, and compensation for ZAKA volunteers.
Forer's bill
The bill approved by Yisrael Beytenu MK Oded Forer prohibits the denial of the October 7 massacre. According to the proposal, anyone who publishes, in writing or orally, things that deny the massacre or downplays it or publishes praise, sympathy, or identification with the actions committed by Hamas in the events of that day - will be sentenced to five years in prison.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 8:59 pm
Hamas had some rockets, but did it really have the weaponry capable of mounting this level of destruction? Western journalists have reported that Hamas was fully responsible.
Indeed, it is almost as though the Israelis channeled all of the efficiency and efficacy that failed their military on October 7 into the deployment of a vast edifice of insta-mythology designed to bolster a notion of Palestinians as an inherently subhuman people. Chief of this project is a man named Yossi Landau, an ultra-Orthodox first responder who operates throughout Israel and, occasionally, in South Florida. Landau, who is interviewed in the documentary, was the original source of the beheaded babies lie, and most of what formed the basis for the New York Times’ debunked investigation into the alleged systematic sexual abuse perpetrated by Hamas on October 7, among other enthusiastically shared tales of horror.
In interviews, Landau comes off like the used-car salesman you’d expect. Discussing one claim about finding a pregnant woman whose “stomach was butchered open” and whose “baby that was connected to the cord was stabbed,” he insists to a reporter that “if you want to see the picture I have the picture of it.” When the reporter apologizes that he “can’t see a baby here,” Landau stammers that he “didn’t think when we were, we didn’t think, we didn’t think to camera everything …”
The photo, it turns out, depicts what the narrator describes as “an unidentifiable piece of charred flesh,” which as it happens is not so unlike many of the bodies that fill Landau’s accounts of unspeakable depravity. “The bodies is telling us the stories that happened to them,” he explains in one video. As October 7 notes, the IDF has repeatedly debunked those stories on the basis of basic forensic evidence, most notably when it revised downward by 200 its estimated body count upon realizing some of the dead bodies are Palestinian.
Which brings us to one of the incomprehensibly less-scrutinized parts of the disaster explored in October 7: the hundreds of civilians, dozens of their cars, and numerous homes and buildings charred beyond comprehension on the day of the attack. Hamas had some rockets, but did it really have the weaponry capable of mounting this level of destruction? Western journalists have reported that Hamas was fully responsible. Al Jazeera’s documentary is much more circumspect, and in a way, so is the IDF.
By November, the IDF conceded that it had, actually, deployed Apache helicopters and tanks to the Nova music festival that “may” have killed “some” of the Nova festival concertgoers, in accordance with something called the Hannibal Directive, a doctrine named for a Carthaginian general who poisoned himself rather than be questioned by his Roman captors, whereby the Israeli army is ordered to fire upon its own troops to prevent the enemy from taking those troops hostage. Around noon on October 7, according to Israeli newspapers cited in the documentary, the IDF may have invoked a version of the Hannibal directive, expanded to include Israeli civilians, and in accordance began blindly opening fire with rockets and helicopter gunships on any person or vehicle seen moving across the border with Gaza. In particular, the documentary visits Kibbutz Be’eri, which looks a bit like present-day Gaza in parts, with a munitions expert who demonstrates strong evidence that some of the houses had been hit with IDF tank fire. It was Israeli troops, not Hamas “murderers,” according to one resident, who killed 12 longtime residents there.
Virtually all these facts have been reported widely by the left-leaning media outlets; October 7 mostly synthesizes these accounts with compelling footage, helpful maps of the region, and a minute-by-minute timeline that compellingly conveys a sense of the panic and alarm the unprecedented breach unleashed on both sides of the conflict. What remains elusive, however, is a sense of what proportion of the 782 unarmed civilians who died in southern Israel that day were killed by “friendly” Hellfire missiles and IDF bullets, and how many were killed by Hamas fighters. Israel has refused to release any forensic evidence on the dead it has identified, and it is likely in many cases that none exists; ZAKA and other ultra-Orthodox organizations delegated to examine and collect the bodies of the 10/7 dead are staunchly opposed to medical examinations on religious grounds, and ZAKA further recommended that Nova festivalgoers be buried in their cars.
We may never know the portion of civilian deaths attributable to the Israeli counterattacks, though the IDF does. But October 7 wisely steers clear of engaging in such reasoning, since the whole point of the movie is that the fiction of October 7 matters far more than the fact. And regardless of what the true figure is, within three or four days of disseminating the fiction that Hamas had killed 1,400 Israelis in a single morning, Israel had exceeded that death count in Gaza, just as the Gaza-born journalist Ahmed Alnaouq knew it would upon hearing the terrible news of the attack.
“When October 7 happened I was terrified, because whenever an Israeli man [is] killed, they’re gonna kill a hundred or two hundred Palestinians,” he tells the interviewer, voicing the heartbreaking math of Palestinian resistance. Here again, the documentary shows restraint, placing the death count in the Gaza war thus far at the conservative estimate of 31,000 with no discussion of, for example, the impact Israel’s destruction of some 155 Gazan hospitals and health facilities has had on the effort to count the dead. The documentary cuts to Azzam Tamimi, an older man, the author of the definitive book on Hamas, who chillingly invokes the millions who perished during the Vietnam War to suggest that the bloodbath may yet be worth it, reasoning that “there is no small price for freedom and independence.” Alnaouq is not so sure: Whatever the ultimate meaning of October 7, the aftermath has already proven, he says, “a trauma that the Palestinians will never heal from.”
On 18 November, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz said that a police investigation found that "[Israeli] military helicopters that fired at terrorists apparently also hit some revellers" on 7 October. By 'revellers' the newspaper was referring to attendees of the Re'im Music festival where at least 364 were killed during the Hamas attack.
Earlier, on 27 October, Max Blumenthal, editor of controversial independent American news website The Grayzone, published an investigative report where he suggested Israel Defence Forces (IDF) were also responsible for killing many Israeli civilians in crossfire, or in the process of indiscriminately killing Hamas gunmen, contributing to the overall death count on 7 October.
The report was based on "piecing together" testimonies of Israeli Apache helicopter pilots and Israeli survivors along with an analysis of photos from the 7 October sites. The photos include kibbutz houses and scenes, including parked cars at the music festival.
As of this writing, the Israeli death toll on 7 October stands at 1,200 — which was lowered from 1,400 after revision by Israeli authorities earlier in November. Palestinian death tolls amount to at least 20,000 since 7 October, according to the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor. This figure includes those trapped under the rubble.
After nearly two months since the 7 October carnage, many things still remain to be investigated about the day that sparked the war. Moreover, a kind of discourse that is causing a further divide among people over the Israel-Hamas conflict is the idea that Israel is also responsible for the high death toll on that fateful Saturday. The 18 November Haaretz report perhaps works as a confirmation.
That being said, the response of the Israeli government to the 7 October attack has been established as disproportionate and amounting to war crimes; Gaza, an enclave of 2.2 million Palestinians, was carpet-bombed for weeks on end and also cut off from water, food and medicine following the 7 October attack.
Israel's "retaliation" has been supported by its Western allies unequivocally and it was the Saturday event and its 'gruesome' details that kept their support for Israel steadfast. It also created an environment of high tension that paved the way for genocidal declarations by Israel to "take out Hamas," "flatten Gaza," etc.
The details of the 7 October massacre committed by Hamas was used again and again to recharge the fervour, and in many cases reignite the violent sentiment to kill Palestinians as punishment for the crimes committed by Hamas.
So it is imperative to look back to what started it all. The details, used so fervently by so many across the board — from Israel to Washington to the EU and others — to justify Israel's military campaign throughout October, could be telling.
Following the crumbs
Recently, Blumenthal's interview with Chris Hedges — former foreign correspondent at The New York Times for 15 years covering the Middle East — was published on the latter's YouTube channel 'The Real News Network', which tends to give space to dissidents and where Blumenthal's 27 October report was discussed at length.
One point stood out: the photos of the parked cars at the music festival that were heavily damaged, the charred bodies of victims and the burnt down kibbutz houses all looked eerily similar to scenes in Gaza after an Israeli air strike. It is the kind of damage that is wrought by Apache helicopters and not gunmen carrying AK47s. Israel of course used Apache helicopters that day to fire at the Hamas attackers.
In the report, Blumenthal also wrote about Israel's UN ambassador Gilad Erdan's 26 October UN appearance. Erdan stood at the podium and held up a paper displaying a QR code captioned, "Scan to see Hamas' atrocities" while he said "we are fighting animals." Blumenthal wrote, "when I scanned I found around eight grisly images of burned bodies and blackened body parts." The damage to the human body was akin to the impact of Hellfire missiles seen in the past and elsewhere. This, Blumenthal said to Chris Hedges, was later deleted.
Indeed, it is almost as though the Israelis channeled all of the efficiency and efficacy that failed their military on October 7 into the deployment of a vast edifice of insta-mythology designed to bolster a notion of Palestinians as an inherently subhuman people. Chief of this project is a man named Yossi Landau, an ultra-Orthodox first responder who operates throughout Israel and, occasionally, in South Florida. Landau, who is interviewed in the documentary, was the original source of the beheaded babies lie, and most of what formed the basis for the New York Times’ debunked investigation into the alleged systematic sexual abuse perpetrated by Hamas on October 7, among other enthusiastically shared tales of horror.
In interviews, Landau comes off like the used-car salesman you’d expect. Discussing one claim about finding a pregnant woman whose “stomach was butchered open” and whose “baby that was connected to the cord was stabbed,” he insists to a reporter that “if you want to see the picture I have the picture of it.” When the reporter apologizes that he “can’t see a baby here,” Landau stammers that he “didn’t think when we were, we didn’t think, we didn’t think to camera everything …”
The photo, it turns out, depicts what the narrator describes as “an unidentifiable piece of charred flesh,” which as it happens is not so unlike many of the bodies that fill Landau’s accounts of unspeakable depravity. “The bodies is telling us the stories that happened to them,” he explains in one video. As October 7 notes, the IDF has repeatedly debunked those stories on the basis of basic forensic evidence, most notably when it revised downward by 200 its estimated body count upon realizing some of the dead bodies are Palestinian.
Which brings us to one of the incomprehensibly less-scrutinized parts of the disaster explored in October 7: the hundreds of civilians, dozens of their cars, and numerous homes and buildings charred beyond comprehension on the day of the attack. Hamas had some rockets, but did it really have the weaponry capable of mounting this level of destruction? Western journalists have reported that Hamas was fully responsible. Al Jazeera’s documentary is much more circumspect, and in a way, so is the IDF.
By November, the IDF conceded that it had, actually, deployed Apache helicopters and tanks to the Nova music festival that “may” have killed “some” of the Nova festival concertgoers, in accordance with something called the Hannibal Directive, a doctrine named for a Carthaginian general who poisoned himself rather than be questioned by his Roman captors, whereby the Israeli army is ordered to fire upon its own troops to prevent the enemy from taking those troops hostage. Around noon on October 7, according to Israeli newspapers cited in the documentary, the IDF may have invoked a version of the Hannibal directive, expanded to include Israeli civilians, and in accordance began blindly opening fire with rockets and helicopter gunships on any person or vehicle seen moving across the border with Gaza. In particular, the documentary visits Kibbutz Be’eri, which looks a bit like present-day Gaza in parts, with a munitions expert who demonstrates strong evidence that some of the houses had been hit with IDF tank fire. It was Israeli troops, not Hamas “murderers,” according to one resident, who killed 12 longtime residents there.
Virtually all these facts have been reported widely by the left-leaning media outlets; October 7 mostly synthesizes these accounts with compelling footage, helpful maps of the region, and a minute-by-minute timeline that compellingly conveys a sense of the panic and alarm the unprecedented breach unleashed on both sides of the conflict. What remains elusive, however, is a sense of what proportion of the 782 unarmed civilians who died in southern Israel that day were killed by “friendly” Hellfire missiles and IDF bullets, and how many were killed by Hamas fighters. Israel has refused to release any forensic evidence on the dead it has identified, and it is likely in many cases that none exists; ZAKA and other ultra-Orthodox organizations delegated to examine and collect the bodies of the 10/7 dead are staunchly opposed to medical examinations on religious grounds, and ZAKA further recommended that Nova festivalgoers be buried in their cars.
We may never know the portion of civilian deaths attributable to the Israeli counterattacks, though the IDF does. But October 7 wisely steers clear of engaging in such reasoning, since the whole point of the movie is that the fiction of October 7 matters far more than the fact. And regardless of what the true figure is, within three or four days of disseminating the fiction that Hamas had killed 1,400 Israelis in a single morning, Israel had exceeded that death count in Gaza, just as the Gaza-born journalist Ahmed Alnaouq knew it would upon hearing the terrible news of the attack.
“When October 7 happened I was terrified, because whenever an Israeli man [is] killed, they’re gonna kill a hundred or two hundred Palestinians,” he tells the interviewer, voicing the heartbreaking math of Palestinian resistance. Here again, the documentary shows restraint, placing the death count in the Gaza war thus far at the conservative estimate of 31,000 with no discussion of, for example, the impact Israel’s destruction of some 155 Gazan hospitals and health facilities has had on the effort to count the dead. The documentary cuts to Azzam Tamimi, an older man, the author of the definitive book on Hamas, who chillingly invokes the millions who perished during the Vietnam War to suggest that the bloodbath may yet be worth it, reasoning that “there is no small price for freedom and independence.” Alnaouq is not so sure: Whatever the ultimate meaning of October 7, the aftermath has already proven, he says, “a trauma that the Palestinians will never heal from.”
On 18 November, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz said that a police investigation found that "[Israeli] military helicopters that fired at terrorists apparently also hit some revellers" on 7 October. By 'revellers' the newspaper was referring to attendees of the Re'im Music festival where at least 364 were killed during the Hamas attack.
Earlier, on 27 October, Max Blumenthal, editor of controversial independent American news website The Grayzone, published an investigative report where he suggested Israel Defence Forces (IDF) were also responsible for killing many Israeli civilians in crossfire, or in the process of indiscriminately killing Hamas gunmen, contributing to the overall death count on 7 October.
The report was based on "piecing together" testimonies of Israeli Apache helicopter pilots and Israeli survivors along with an analysis of photos from the 7 October sites. The photos include kibbutz houses and scenes, including parked cars at the music festival.
As of this writing, the Israeli death toll on 7 October stands at 1,200 — which was lowered from 1,400 after revision by Israeli authorities earlier in November. Palestinian death tolls amount to at least 20,000 since 7 October, according to the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor. This figure includes those trapped under the rubble.
After nearly two months since the 7 October carnage, many things still remain to be investigated about the day that sparked the war. Moreover, a kind of discourse that is causing a further divide among people over the Israel-Hamas conflict is the idea that Israel is also responsible for the high death toll on that fateful Saturday. The 18 November Haaretz report perhaps works as a confirmation.
That being said, the response of the Israeli government to the 7 October attack has been established as disproportionate and amounting to war crimes; Gaza, an enclave of 2.2 million Palestinians, was carpet-bombed for weeks on end and also cut off from water, food and medicine following the 7 October attack.
Israel's "retaliation" has been supported by its Western allies unequivocally and it was the Saturday event and its 'gruesome' details that kept their support for Israel steadfast. It also created an environment of high tension that paved the way for genocidal declarations by Israel to "take out Hamas," "flatten Gaza," etc.
The details of the 7 October massacre committed by Hamas was used again and again to recharge the fervour, and in many cases reignite the violent sentiment to kill Palestinians as punishment for the crimes committed by Hamas.
So it is imperative to look back to what started it all. The details, used so fervently by so many across the board — from Israel to Washington to the EU and others — to justify Israel's military campaign throughout October, could be telling.
Following the crumbs
Recently, Blumenthal's interview with Chris Hedges — former foreign correspondent at The New York Times for 15 years covering the Middle East — was published on the latter's YouTube channel 'The Real News Network', which tends to give space to dissidents and where Blumenthal's 27 October report was discussed at length.
One point stood out: the photos of the parked cars at the music festival that were heavily damaged, the charred bodies of victims and the burnt down kibbutz houses all looked eerily similar to scenes in Gaza after an Israeli air strike. It is the kind of damage that is wrought by Apache helicopters and not gunmen carrying AK47s. Israel of course used Apache helicopters that day to fire at the Hamas attackers.
In the report, Blumenthal also wrote about Israel's UN ambassador Gilad Erdan's 26 October UN appearance. Erdan stood at the podium and held up a paper displaying a QR code captioned, "Scan to see Hamas' atrocities" while he said "we are fighting animals." Blumenthal wrote, "when I scanned I found around eight grisly images of burned bodies and blackened body parts." The damage to the human body was akin to the impact of Hellfire missiles seen in the past and elsewhere. This, Blumenthal said to Chris Hedges, was later deleted.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 8:59 pm
Yehuda Shaul, a former Israeli infantry combat soldier, told Al Jazeera recently that the IDF are instructed to "open fire without constraints, in order to prevent the abduction", adding that the use of force is carried out even at the risk of killing a captive soldier.
Shaul, now a co-founder of the Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence — the first such organisation of Israeli military veterans calling for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — explained how there wasn't any written directive, but it was shared with him and others orally, and is known as the Hannibal Directive.
The Hannibal Directive asserts that in addition to firing at the abductors, soldiers can fire at junctions, roads, highways and other pathways opponents may take a kidnapped soldier through, reports Al Jazeera.
Israel last invoked it in 2014 during the war on Gaza, according to leaked military audio recordings, though the army denied it had used the doctrine. Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the Israeli bombardment that followed, sparking accusations of war crimes against the Israeli army.
The Al Jazeera report further adds that analysts now believe the Hannibal Directive was used on 7 October.
Anadolu Ajansi also pointed to an interview with the daily Haaretz in which Lt Col Nof Erez drew attention to the possibility that Israeli forces responding to Hamas' attack might have implemented the directive.
A 2014 New Yorker article "Hadar Goldin and the Hannibal Directive" explained Israel's track record of using the directive and "military ethos" which "means that Israel sanctifies the lives of its soldiers so much, and would be willing to pay such an exorbitant price for their release, that it will do everything in its power to prevent such a scenario — including putting those same soldiers' lives at risk (not to mention wreaking havoc on the surrounding population)."
The directive essentially signals "to the military that a dead soldier is preferable to a captive one, while at the same time signalling to the Israeli public that no cost will be spared to secure a captured soldier's release."
The intent is not to oversimplify, but to understand the mind mechanics that would lead Israeli military personnel to fire upon its own soldiers to escape captivity. If there is a long-standing rhetoric that "a dead soldier is better than a captive one," are we to understand the same can be implemented in relation to Israeli civilians?
Shaul, now a co-founder of the Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence — the first such organisation of Israeli military veterans calling for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip — explained how there wasn't any written directive, but it was shared with him and others orally, and is known as the Hannibal Directive.
The Hannibal Directive asserts that in addition to firing at the abductors, soldiers can fire at junctions, roads, highways and other pathways opponents may take a kidnapped soldier through, reports Al Jazeera.
Israel last invoked it in 2014 during the war on Gaza, according to leaked military audio recordings, though the army denied it had used the doctrine. Dozens of Palestinians were killed in the Israeli bombardment that followed, sparking accusations of war crimes against the Israeli army.
The Al Jazeera report further adds that analysts now believe the Hannibal Directive was used on 7 October.
Anadolu Ajansi also pointed to an interview with the daily Haaretz in which Lt Col Nof Erez drew attention to the possibility that Israeli forces responding to Hamas' attack might have implemented the directive.
A 2014 New Yorker article "Hadar Goldin and the Hannibal Directive" explained Israel's track record of using the directive and "military ethos" which "means that Israel sanctifies the lives of its soldiers so much, and would be willing to pay such an exorbitant price for their release, that it will do everything in its power to prevent such a scenario — including putting those same soldiers' lives at risk (not to mention wreaking havoc on the surrounding population)."
The directive essentially signals "to the military that a dead soldier is preferable to a captive one, while at the same time signalling to the Israeli public that no cost will be spared to secure a captured soldier's release."
The intent is not to oversimplify, but to understand the mind mechanics that would lead Israeli military personnel to fire upon its own soldiers to escape captivity. If there is a long-standing rhetoric that "a dead soldier is better than a captive one," are we to understand the same can be implemented in relation to Israeli civilians?
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:02 pm
Just watch the videos and search, IDF killed many of their own people on 7th October.
Since have killed many others their own in Gaza
Since have killed many others their own in Gaza
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:04 pm
UN:
Confirmed at this moment in time Israel have closed all boarding crossings for food to nearly 1.5mill innocent Palestinians.
Israel at this moment in time are starving to death Palestinians.
Confirmed at this moment in time Israel have closed all boarding crossings for food to nearly 1.5mill innocent Palestinians.
Israel at this moment in time are starving to death Palestinians.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:24 pm
For those still backing Isreal:
Even Sky News tonight say Isreal is stopping food entering Gaza and starving 700,000 Children, EVIL BEYOND EVIL.
Even Sky News tonight say Isreal is stopping food entering Gaza and starving 700,000 Children, EVIL BEYOND EVIL.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:29 pm
And Always Will:
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:29 pm
Listening and talking to someone I have great respect for and have met many times, Tony Blair is key.
He was Middle East peace envoy for a while.
Now whatever you think of him, he is right here.
“To achieve peace you need all parties to want peace, we had that in Northern Ireland but not the Middle East.”
The bottom line is Netanyahu won’t even talk about peace but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness had the maturity to achieve peace.
He was Middle East peace envoy for a while.
Now whatever you think of him, he is right here.
“To achieve peace you need all parties to want peace, we had that in Northern Ireland but not the Middle East.”
The bottom line is Netanyahu won’t even talk about peace but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness had the maturity to achieve peace.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:33 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Listening and talking to someone I have great respect for and have met many times, Tony Blair is key.
He was Middle East peace envoy for a while.
Now whatever you think of him, he is right here.
“To achieve peace you need all parties to want peace, we had that in Northern Ireland but not the Middle East.”
The bottom line is Netanyahu won’t even talk about peace but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness had the maturity to achieve peace.
Absolutely True Ned and I don’t like Blair.
Netanyahu Does not want peace.
In 1988 when he was a General for Israel he swore then he would wipe out Palestine
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:35 pm
Forever Blue wrote:UN:
Confirmed at this moment in time Israel have closed all boarding crossings for food to nearly 1.5mill innocent Palestinians
Israel at this moment in time are starving to death Palestinians.
Other day they blamed Egypt of stopping supplies even though they're the ones who closed border.... they did it because Egypt backed a motion in the international court condemning them.. Netanyahu Is certainly a war criminal at least.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:40 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:UN:
Confirmed at this moment in time Israel have closed all boarding crossings for food to nearly 1.5mill innocent Palestinians
Israel at this moment in time are starving to death Palestinians.
Other day they blamed Egypt of stopping supplies even though they're the ones who closed border.... they did it because Egypt backed a motion in the international court condemning them.. Netanyahu Is certainly a war criminal at least.
Yes I heard Allan,
They are doing it All Israel and continue their lies 24/7
The World must Never ever forget Nazi Israel and how evil they really are:
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:44 pm
The Truth::
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:44 pm
The attack that happened at the rave was a bit fishy, they have thousands if idf covering the border but that day only a handful?
Some of the best Intel agency in the world too, it was used as a ploy to destroy the rest of Palestine so they can continue to rape and pillage the people.
Anyone who supports isreal are brainwashed by tv.
Our government are weak and quite frankly sick for letting this happen!
It's nice to see so many waking up or even speaking up about the sick massacre that is going on right now.
I feel strongly for all that is happening, it's so upsetting seeing dead children on twitter every single day not just a couple but hundreds. Furthers carrying there murdered children in there hands with tears running down there faces.
What did these kids do that was so bad ? For over 70 years the Jews have been doing this it has to stop. I'm sick of it being labelled normal it just isn't.
Just think this is all for money and land, how can the Jewish people build there houses knowing that so many people has been murdered so they can live there lives. f**k isreal murdering trespassing state.
Some of the best Intel agency in the world too, it was used as a ploy to destroy the rest of Palestine so they can continue to rape and pillage the people.
Anyone who supports isreal are brainwashed by tv.
Our government are weak and quite frankly sick for letting this happen!
It's nice to see so many waking up or even speaking up about the sick massacre that is going on right now.
I feel strongly for all that is happening, it's so upsetting seeing dead children on twitter every single day not just a couple but hundreds. Furthers carrying there murdered children in there hands with tears running down there faces.
What did these kids do that was so bad ? For over 70 years the Jews have been doing this it has to stop. I'm sick of it being labelled normal it just isn't.
Just think this is all for money and land, how can the Jewish people build there houses knowing that so many people has been murdered so they can live there lives. f**k isreal murdering trespassing state.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 9:55 pm
kyle08 wrote:The attack that happened at the rave was a bit fishy, they have thousands if idf covering the border but that day only a handful?
Some of the best Intel agency in the world too, it was used as a ploy to destroy the rest of Palestine so they can continue to rape and pillage the people.
Anyone who supports isreal are brainwashed by tv.
Our government are weak and quite frankly sick for letting this happen!
It's nice to see so many waking up or even speaking up about the sick massacre that is going on right now.
I feel strongly for all that is happening, it's so upsetting seeing dead children on twitter every single day not just a couple but hundreds. Furthers carrying there murdered children in there hands with tears running down there faces.
What did these kids do that was so bad ? For over 70 years the Jews have been doing this it has to stop. I'm sick of it being labelled normal it just isn't.
Just think this is all for money and land, how can the Jewish people build there houses knowing that so many people has been murdered so they can live there lives. f**k isreal murdering trespassing state.
Kyke,
It’s heartbreaking and I can’t believe anyone would even back or support a Sick Evil Country likes Israel, Thankfully 9o% if the World are finally seeing the Truth.
It must never ever be forgotten 75 years of Israel’s Destruction and Massacre of Palestine.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:01 pm
TONIGHT:
"Israel has the right to defend itself."
From whom?
600,000+ terrified, injured, starved children are sheltering in Rafah, an area the size of Manhattan?
"Israel has the right to defend itself."
From whom?
600,000+ terrified, injured, starved children are sheltering in Rafah, an area the size of Manhattan?
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:04 pm
What is happening in Gaza is a human catastrophe. It is indefensable. Netenyahou is like a modern day Hitler and the actions of the Israeli government are genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. It is ironic that a people treated so abominably in the WW2 times are now treating Palestinians the same way. They seem to be able to lie and kill with impunity, and churn out false propaganda. The abused becoming the abusers.
The fact that the BBC has reported it so poorly means that many people do not appreciate what is really going on and how badly the Palestinians have been treated over many years. What happened on Oct 7th was terrible, and indefensible, But it was one awful chapter in a book - not the whole book. The BBC and our government portray it as the starting point - it is not. But the BBC coverage means most people are unaware of the history where Palestinians are treated like prisoners in their own country, that there are 10s of thousands of illegal settlers, and Israel has been land grabbing for many years.eyc etc (Many settlers from USA). They don’t know about the Balfour agreement and our role (with USA and France) in creating the problem.
Our government and the USA are complicit in the war crimes taking place by providing arms. Meanwhile we get bullsh@t about checks and balances in arms sales and the USA provides massive arms deals to the Israelis.They give more funding to Israel than any other country. I have a couple of grandkids and I find the situation where over 5000 plus innocent kids have been slaughtered wholly heartbreaking. The terror of famine is now killing them and lorries are still being blocked by Israelis. Sky news showed protestors stopping lorries destroying food and being cheered on. BBC showed next to nothing.
We are born into this world equal whatever our nationality, religion etc One country does not have a God given right to land and superiority over other races. I am not anti semetic but I am totally against the actions of fanatical fascist Zionists.
The fact that the BBC has reported it so poorly means that many people do not appreciate what is really going on and how badly the Palestinians have been treated over many years. What happened on Oct 7th was terrible, and indefensible, But it was one awful chapter in a book - not the whole book. The BBC and our government portray it as the starting point - it is not. But the BBC coverage means most people are unaware of the history where Palestinians are treated like prisoners in their own country, that there are 10s of thousands of illegal settlers, and Israel has been land grabbing for many years.eyc etc (Many settlers from USA). They don’t know about the Balfour agreement and our role (with USA and France) in creating the problem.
Our government and the USA are complicit in the war crimes taking place by providing arms. Meanwhile we get bullsh@t about checks and balances in arms sales and the USA provides massive arms deals to the Israelis.They give more funding to Israel than any other country. I have a couple of grandkids and I find the situation where over 5000 plus innocent kids have been slaughtered wholly heartbreaking. The terror of famine is now killing them and lorries are still being blocked by Israelis. Sky news showed protestors stopping lorries destroying food and being cheered on. BBC showed next to nothing.
We are born into this world equal whatever our nationality, religion etc One country does not have a God given right to land and superiority over other races. I am not anti semetic but I am totally against the actions of fanatical fascist Zionists.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:13 pm
Forever Blue wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Listening and talking to someone I have great respect for and have met many times, Tony Blair is key.
He was Middle East peace envoy for a while.
Now whatever you think of him, he is right here.
“To achieve peace you need all parties to want peace, we had that in Northern Ireland but not the Middle East.”
The bottom line is Netanyahu won’t even talk about peace but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness had the maturity to achieve peace.
Absolutely True Ned and I don’t like Blair.
Netanyahu Does not want peace.
In 1988 when he was a General for Israel he swore then he would wipe out Palestine
I know people have strong views on Tony.
But he has a record of negotiating peace.
Says it all that he says there was little chance in the Middle East, when it seemed unlikely in NI but he achieved it.
Likewise, Gerry Adams had the decency to meet the families of victims of IRA violence. I doubt Netanyahu would do the same.
The only way is a two state solution, which won’t happen until Netanyahu is gone.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:13 pm
Excellent point by Worcester 're tony Blair and both parties wanting peace. The truth is Hammas certainly don't and have never wanted peace which can be judged by their indiscriminate and consistent firing of rockets at israel. Would we stand by in the UK and let France fire rockets at us on a daily basis. When the Germans tried that in the second world war we invaded and put a stop to it killing 100,000s in the process.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:28 pm
I really do think there are striking similarities between Northern Ireland and Palestine.
The fact is Tony Blair, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley worked together to achieve peace - which looked impossible at one point.
I hope similar will happen in the Middle East, even though that looks tough right now.
The fact is Tony Blair, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley worked together to achieve peace - which looked impossible at one point.
I hope similar will happen in the Middle East, even though that looks tough right now.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:46 pm
biglad6 wrote:Excellent point by Worcester 're tony Blair and both parties wanting peace. The truth is Hammas certainly don't and have never wanted peace which can be judged by their indiscriminate and consistent firing of rockets at israel. Would we stand by in the UK and let France fire rockets at us on a daily basis. When the Germans tried that in the second world war we invaded and put a stop to it killing 100,000s in the process.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
What would you so if someone kept taking your land by force as the Israelis have done since the 67 war something the international community condemned as illegal which the Israelis say upyours to everyone were taking it and not bothered what you think hardly a way to have peace ....only way for peace is for Israel to return the land back to Palestinians and recognise their right to existence .....hamas just didn't decide to attack way they did for no reason but suspect it suited Netanyahu how can you explain how best surveillanced peace of land in the world was left unmonitored for attack to happen not accidentally that's for sure! Germany started war by invading another country subsequently rest of world said that you can't get away with that and invaded europe to liberate those countries not because anyone got bombed indiscriminately..... and if Israel is not careful same thing could happen in the region if Israel tries to force Palestinians out of Palestine which is Netanyahu intention as we all know.... peace is not easy but having a war mongering leader won't make it happen that's for sure.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:48 pm
biglad6 wrote:Excellent point by Worcester 're tony Blair and both parties wanting peace. The truth is Hammas certainly don't and have never wanted peace which can be judged by their indiscriminate and consistent firing of rockets at israel. Would we stand by in the UK and let France fire rockets at us on a daily basis. When the Germans tried that in the second world war we invaded and put a stop to it killing 100,000s in the process.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
An excellent post.The only people that have a chance of sorting out this sorry mess are the ones on nobodies side.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:49 pm
Palestinians turned down a two state solution in 1948 and invaded Israel. Given their experience in WW2, the Jewish crushing the enemy is worth it for them.
The mantra on here only assures that position.
The mantra on here only assures that position.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Thu May 16, 2024 10:57 pm
Sneggyblubird wrote:biglad6 wrote:Excellent point by Worcester 're tony Blair and both parties wanting peace. The truth is Hammas certainly don't and have never wanted peace which can be judged by their indiscriminate and consistent firing of rockets at israel. Would we stand by in the UK and let France fire rockets at us on a daily basis. When the Germans tried that in the second world war we invaded and put a stop to it killing 100,000s in the process.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
An excellent post.The only people that have a chance of sorting out this sorry mess are the ones on nobodies side.
The Americans can sort it out but they prefer to give Israel billions of dollars of weapons to keep war going that's why Netanyahu just sticks 2 fingers at them when they weakly asks them to let food aid in and try not to kill civilians there's no incentive to stop war as usa keeps supplying them regardless of what they do
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Fri May 17, 2024 4:59 am
pembroke allan wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:biglad6 wrote:Excellent point by Worcester 're tony Blair and both parties wanting peace. The truth is Hammas certainly don't and have never wanted peace which can be judged by their indiscriminate and consistent firing of rockets at israel. Would we stand by in the UK and let France fire rockets at us on a daily basis. When the Germans tried that in the second world war we invaded and put a stop to it killing 100,000s in the process.
Hammas s main objective is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth full stop its population included. The Israelis wish equally wish to wipe Hamas of the face of the earth which has resulted in the situation we are in now.
Numerous Israeli prime minister s have sat at the peace table with Arab leaders and come to agreements like with the Palestinian authority in the West bank, the same cannot be said of Hammas who are in essence betraying their own people.
An excellent post.The only people that have a chance of sorting out this sorry mess are the ones on nobodies side.
The Americans can sort it out but they prefer to give Israel billions of dollars of weapons to keep war going that's why Netanyahu just sticks 2 fingers at them when they weakly asks them to let food aid in and try not to kill civilians there's no incentive to stop war as usa keeps supplying them regardless of what they do
Exactly Allan,
The USA are the ones who have the power to sort it all out and if anyone with half a brain will know it’s the USA who hold all
The power and have the final decision abd if they pulled the plug on supplying Israel with £billions and military equipment Israel would Stop this Massacre.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Fri May 17, 2024 5:02 am
rumpo kid wrote:Palestinians turned down a two state solution in 1948 and invaded Israel. Given their experience in WW2, the Jewish crushing the enemy is worth it for them.
The mantra on here only assures that position.
The Palestinians were not given a chance to consider and why should they at the time as they were just invaded by Israel who were Supported by Britain a fact and driven of their land 750,000 Palestinians were told to get off and attacked, and killed.
Israel eventually turned on Britain and run them them off killing many British.
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Fri May 17, 2024 5:58 am
Israel and the US have started construction on a Port built with the bodies of over 40,000 dead Palestinians…
The Port is located 20 miles off the $500 billion dollar Gaza Marine Oil & Gas fields…
Israel isn’t just stealing Palestine, they’re going to steal their multi-billion dollar oil and gas fields…
The Port is located 20 miles off the $500 billion dollar Gaza Marine Oil & Gas fields…
Israel isn’t just stealing Palestine, they’re going to steal their multi-billion dollar oil and gas fields…
Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Fri May 17, 2024 6:19 am
The Nakba never ended.
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Re: 76 years to the day that the terrorist state of Isreal
Fri May 17, 2024 6:21 am
Israel’s call "independence day". Who they gained independence from is a mystery, given they arrived from a different continent, ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians, stole their homes, and created modern terrorism, slaughtering Arabs + UK servicemen.
It is the Nakba.
It is the Nakba.