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Re: Southport Child Murderer

Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:32 pm

Far right people intimidating journalists who are just doing their job

https://x.com/paulbranditv/status/18184 ... wtZ_9UxPRQ

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:50 pm

Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:52 pm

M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.


Spot on.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:16 pm

For anyone wanting some light natural justice:

https://x.com/lukerenshaw/status/181838 ... ddxEdWGctQ

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:04 am

M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.

They have sullied the memory of the murdered kids, stood with a can of cider shouting at the police is a million miles from showing dignified respect for the dead and injured.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:09 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:Far right people intimidating journalists who are just doing their job

https://x.com/paulbranditv/status/18184 ... wtZ_9UxPRQ

Sadly journalists don’t do their job, they constantly lie and miss report. As for far right, give it a rest. It’s a false dichotomy, Leftwing and Rightwing are completely redundant terms, thrown at anyone with a different view.
Instead of attempting to make political capital out of the situation spare a thought for those affected by this horrific act.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:50 am

Jock wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Far right people intimidating journalists who are just doing their job

https://x.com/paulbranditv/status/18184 ... wtZ_9UxPRQ

Sadly journalists don’t do their job, they constantly lie and miss report. As for far right, give it a rest. It’s a false dichotomy, Leftwing and Rightwing are completely redundant terms, thrown at anyone with a different view.
Instead of attempting to make political capital out of the situation spare a thought for those affected by this horrific act.

Well said Jock

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:02 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:These far right people turning up to a vigil for dead kids with a crate of cider and an England flag draped over the shoulders.

Abhorrent.

But never mind that, aren’t the media awful?

Where did this photo come from?

That looks like Chiswick High Street and they could well be England supporters before an international.

....and yes, the media in general are pieces of sh1t!

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:06 am

M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.

How do you know he wasn't a muslim? There's also radicalisation, which is mainly carried out in a mosque.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:57 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


They are far right people, that’s why.

If they are so appalled then why did they have smiles on their faces as they were protesting??

But, of course, the media are the real villains of this :lol: :lol:


This.

Chanting the same songs Tommy Robinson’s dickheads were singing on the weekend.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:47 am

Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:20 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you think the police are honest

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:14 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you believe everything you read online, social media etc?

Do you also believe everything the police say?

I'm not saying the English defence league had nothing to do with this but you seem blinkered, only want to see it one way.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:47 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you believe everything you read online, social media etc?

Do you also believe everything the police say?

I'm not saying the English defence league had nothing to do with this but you seem blinkered, only want to see it one way.


As do you.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:51 pm

Jock wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you think the police are honest


In general, yes.

The vast majority of police offers are like you and I, honestly people just trying to get on with life and their job.

Are there bad apples? Of course there are, and we have seen that in a disgusting way in recent years.

But I won’t be told that on this particular issue the police, media and everyone else apart from the far right are lying.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:33 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you believe everything you read online, social media etc?

Do you also believe everything the police say?

I'm not saying the English defence league had nothing to do with this but you seem blinkered, only want to see it one way.


As do you.

So you're admitting you are blinkered then!

Read my post again, I said the English defence league may be involved but I don't take what I read online as gospel.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:38 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you believe everything you read online, social media etc?

Do you also believe everything the police say?

I'm not saying the English defence league had nothing to do with this but you seem blinkered, only want to see it one way.


As do you.

So you're admitting you are blinkered then!

Read my post again, I said the English defence league may be involved but I don't take what I read online as gospel.


Probably being a bit harsh actually.

I don’t take what I read online as gospel either. But what I am inclined to do, as I have stated, is believe the media and the police over some random people on social media.

I don’t subscribe to the view that the police are lying, the media are lying and the only truthful reports are coming from the far right.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:31 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Rumours circulating online about the Southport stabbings suspect sparked fierce riots by supporters of the English Defence League, police say.

But still some will blame the media :lol:

Do you believe everything you read online, social media etc?

Do you also believe everything the police say?

I'm not saying the English defence league had nothing to do with this but you seem blinkered, only want to see it one way.


As do you.

So you're admitting you are blinkered then!

Read my post again, I said the English defence league may be involved but I don't take what I read online as gospel.


Probably being a bit harsh actually.

I don’t take what I read online as gospel either. But what I am inclined to do, as I have stated, is believe the media and the police over some random people on social media.

I don’t subscribe to the view that the police are lying, the media are lying and the only truthful reports are coming from the far right.

Apologies if I was harsh, it wasn't my intention.

I always take each incident and each report on it separately regards who I'm inclined to believe whoever it's from. I also believe very little the far right and left come out with.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:03 pm

I blame the Tory’s and Blair for this. One lied and the other deceived. The poor quality of our politicians in these times.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:09 pm

More than 100 people have been arrested in a protest in central London following the deaths and subsequent riots in Southport, the Metropolitan Police has said.

The Met said it made arrests for a range of offences including violent disorder, assault on an emergency worker, and breach of protest conditions on Wednesday evening.

Police clashed with protesters on Whitehall, close to Downing Street, during a demonstration in the wake of the fatal stabbings of three girls at Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport, Merseyside, on Monday.

In a statement the Met said officers were deployed to "ensure disorder was contained" but added that some "suffered minor injuries".

Demonstrators were seen launching flares towards the gates of Downing Street and at a statue of Winston Churchill.

People could be heard chanting phrases such as "stop the boats" and "save our kids" as they threw bottles and cans at officers.

Earlier, the Met said conditions placed on the protest had been breached.

It follows unrest on the streets of Southport on Tuesday night.

Merseyside Police said demonstrators in Southport had been fired up by social media posts.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:11 pm

A 17-year-old boy has been charged with murder and attempted murder after a mass stabbing in Southport.

Three children, six-year-old Bebe King, seven-year-old Elsie Dot Stancombe, and nine-year-old Alice Dasilva Aguiar, died as a result of the attack at The Hart Space community centre.

A "Taylor Swift Yoga and Dance Workshop" aimed at children aged between primary school years two and six (seven to 11 years old) was taking place at the time of the attack in the seaside town, which is north of Liverpool.

The suspect, who is from a nearby village in Banks in Lancashire, but was born in Cardiff, Wales, was arrested on Monday and a knife was seized by armed police.

He has been charged with three counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:55 am

Locals left to clean the mess up.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sout ... 73958.html

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:25 am

Jock wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Far right people intimidating journalists who are just doing their job

https://x.com/paulbranditv/status/18184 ... wtZ_9UxPRQ

Sadly journalists don’t do their job, they constantly lie and miss report. As for far right, give it a rest. It’s a false dichotomy, Leftwing and Rightwing are completely redundant terms, thrown at anyone with a different view.
Instead of attempting to make political capital out of the situation spare a thought for those affected by this horrific act.


Good post

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:33 am

frazier wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
frazier wrote:It's being reported by locals that what kicked it off tonight was an arab looking bloke carrying a machete near the childrens vigil. There's a video of him being arrested.

Any links mate?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19300 ... ly_express

A man has reportedly been arrested while carrying a flick knife just feet from a vigil being held to honour three children killed. Not a machete

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:22 pm

Bebbsyboy wrote:
frazier wrote:
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
frazier wrote:It's being reported by locals that what kicked it off tonight was an arab looking bloke carrying a machete near the childrens vigil. There's a video of him being arrested.

Any links mate?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/19300 ... ly_express

A man has reportedly been arrested while carrying a flick knife just feet from a vigil being held to honour three children killed. Not a machete

https://x.com/b4sed7/status/18183659332 ... _&ref_url=

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Fri Aug 02, 2024 8:12 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.


Spot on.


Yep, couldn’t agree more.

The EDL has no mandate and is a hate driven movement that needs taking down.

I have no issue with people being against others (even if I don’t agree) but the way to challenge is through the political process. They have Reform who have clearly shown they support the views of the EDL so just vote for them.

I seem to remember the WDL (Swansea based) tried to organise a march a few years ago and, if I’m not mistaken, a load of Cardiff fans chased them out of town. I’d like to think that will happen again.

What I am sure about is that next EDL have a march they will be met by opposition in numbers that will dwarf theirs !!

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:28 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.


Spot on.


Yep, couldn’t agree more.

The EDL has no mandate and is a hate driven movement that needs taking down.

I have no issue with people being against others (even if I don’t agree) but the way to challenge is through the political process. They have Reform who have clearly shown they support the views of the EDL so just vote for them.

I seem to remember the WDL (Swansea based) tried to organise a march a few years ago and, if I’m not mistaken, a load of Cardiff fans chased them out of town. I’d like to think that will happen again.

What I am sure about is that next EDL have a march they will be met by opposition in numbers that will dwarf theirs !!

When the EDL were formed there was Black guys White guys, Sikhs, Hindus and Jews at their first rally, there was even Gay Pride flags flown. Sadly they were overran with racists, which is a shame because, imo, their ideology was sound. Your theory that Enough is Enough protests will be dwarfed by pretend socialists will be tested this Saturday in Bristol and other British towns and cities. My money is on the football lads.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:31 pm

This political process isn't working tho'. Both main parties have pledged to reduce immigration and have done the opposite.

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:19 pm

Jock wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Bluebird-in-Jackland wrote:The media are disgusting. The fact they’ve labelled people, who are appalled by an alleged immigrant killing 3 children, far right supporters is quite simply a disgrace. Why are people who aren’t even far right allowed to protest about what happened. I don’t agree with the violent side of it, but how on earth can they say they are far right?


Who else turns up uninvited to a vigil for dead children with tins in hand, draped in England flags and then attacks the nearby mosque, despite the perpetrator being a Cardiff-born son of Rwandan parents, a country that is 2% Muslim population? (not that attacking a mosque would be a particularly valuable endeavour even if the perpetrator was Muslim).

Anyone coming here to argue, or sat reading thinking “good on them” should be absolutely disgusted with themselves.


Spot on.


Yep, couldn’t agree more.

The EDL has no mandate and is a hate driven movement that needs taking down.

I have no issue with people being against others (even if I don’t agree) but the way to challenge is through the political process. They have Reform who have clearly shown they support the views of the EDL so just vote for them.

I seem to remember the WDL (Swansea based) tried to organise a march a few years ago and, if I’m not mistaken, a load of Cardiff fans chased them out of town. I’d like to think that will happen again.

What I am sure about is that next EDL have a march they will be met by opposition in numbers that will dwarf theirs !!

When the EDL were formed there was Black guys White guys, Sikhs, Hindus and Jews at their first rally, there was even Gay Pride flags flown. Sadly they were overran with racists, which is a shame because, imo, their ideology was sound. Your theory that Enough is Enough protests will be dwarfed by pretend socialists will be tested this Saturday in Bristol and other British towns and cities. My money is on the football lads.


You might be right for this Saturday’s marches as there is no real “anti racist” movement since the National Front and BNP crawled back under their rocks. But numbers are mobilising and if they do through with their proposed Glasgow march they may have a shock.

If they go anywhere near Cardiff I will be attending any “anti-EDL” march just as I did against the NF and BNP. Let’s hope EDL go the same way as those odious organisations.

By the way, I’m not sure we should describe these idiots as “Football Lads”. They are racist scum and whilst some may attend football games they are far from representing the vast majority of football fans.

I don’t agree with you that the EDL ideology was sound, but that’s really not the issue here. I’m all for free speech but massively against hate speech particularly when it’s clearly based on religion or skin colour.

If there was an influx of boats from the US carrying white people running from Trumpism, I would bet my houses on there not being a single objection !!

Re: Southport Child Murderer

Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:24 pm

rumpo kid wrote:This political process isn't working tho'. Both main parties have pledged to reduce immigration and have done the opposite.


Well you can hardly blame Labour for that !! They’ve only been in a month !!

What everyone forgets is that the Immigration system was working OK until the Tories manufactured a way of cutting the Home Office and Ministry of Justice budgets through austerity. They got rid of all the people who would police and enforce !! Complete madness.

Let’s see what happens over the next couple of years but I would wager that the current levels of increase will slow significantly and, more importantly, people will not disappear into the ether as they have done under the Tories.