Cardiff are the worst supported team in the UK

one of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a jack, and I consider him a good friend, so i'll ask a genuine question.

what is your club doing to get fans in ? how much are your tickets etc ?

Good question. When swansea were in the prem, i constantly heard this from man u fans in south wales "he only supported swansea since they got to prem" i find this massively hypocritical. Somewhere down the line in their family tree, someone would have originally done this with supporting man u and the result of this is their great great grandson is a massive man u fan.

Swansea have recently employeed football ambassadors such as trundle who go into schools promoting swansea, running football camps etc.. However the only way to increase support is success. In 25 years swansea went from 2000 season ticket holders to 15000, (i know it has decreased to 11000 ish now). The same can be said with ninian park and your team.

Imagine how successful we could both be if there were no plastic fans in south wales.

one of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a jack, and I consider him a good friend, so i'll ask a genuine question.

what is your club doing to get fans in ? how much are your tickets etc ?

Good question. When swansea were in the prem, i constantly heard this from man u fans in south wales "he only supported swansea since they got to prem" i find this massively hypocritical. Somewhere down the line in their family tree, someone would have originally done this with supporting man u and the result of this is their great great grandson is a massive man u fan.

Swansea have recently employeed football ambassadors such as trundle who go into schools promoting swansea, running football camps etc.. However the only way to increase support is success. In 25 years swansea went from 2000 season ticket holders to 15000, (i know it has decreased to 11000 ish now). The same can be said with ninian park and your team.

Imagine how successful we could both be if there were no plastic fans in south wales.

I mentioned it in my previous post, plastics are all too many. I have to go to the Valleys quite often and the amount of fully grown men walking around in Utd or Liverpool shirts does my head in.

I'd rather they support Swansea than be a glory supporter.

Now before you see red im just here for a friendly discussion and light hearted banter . Before the usual "why are you on here, get on your own forum etc" i know many many cardiff fans and some that i know, i like more than any swansea fan so please be kind (if this type of discussion is not wanted ill happily leave) Just want to bring this up to see number 1, if im right or wrong (happy to be proved otherwise, i do have swansea tinted glasses on) and number 2, if i am right, to see if there's anything that can be done about it for both clubs.

My premise - "Cardiff is one of the most poorly supported clubs per population density in the whole of the Uk"

Cardiff city -
Total population of south east wales including cardiff, newport, bridgend, barry all valleys is just over 1.5million. 400 thousand in cardiff alone. These areas are staunch cardiff supporting areas. This does not include areas such as llanelli, glyncorrwg, neath, cymmer, Brecon and port talbot, which are very odd places in which they are very close to swansea but have a very high amount of cardiff supporters (60 - 40) in port talbots case. In terms of rugby, you have cardiff blues and newport gwent dragons which are not very well supported.

Swansea -
Total population of south west wales is roughly 750 thousand people including swanseas population of just over 230 thousand. These two areas have llanelli scarletts and ospreys which have relatively larger fan bases.

Stadium sizes and attendance -
Cardiff have filled their stadium twice since being opened however these were against man u and liverpool. At just over 33000. Swansea have filled their stadium over 60 times at just over 20000.

Im not for once saying that we would get same as you if in the same size stadium. We would probably get 25000 max for huge games! however i have based this off demand and ticket sales. It could be more/less probably less.

On average for the last 4 seasons you have had 3/4000 more people per game. But considering population size, we are both poorly supported with you considerably more. To encapsulate this i have divided the population and divided by average attendance over last 4 seasons roughly

Cardiff - 1600000/21000 = 76. So 1 in every 76 people watch cardiff

Swansea - 750000/16000 = 46. So 1 in every 46 people watch swansea.

I know there are alot of variables but even if my stats had a 10% margin of error. My premise is still proven. Now i could do this for everyclub in the uk but i dont think i will be far off.

Why is this the case or am i way off? Just light banter/interest/discussion before me and my family have death threats.

You do realise that we have a choice of things to do here?

Not just Swansea town or the Lesuire centre.

one of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a jack, and I consider him a good friend, so i'll ask a genuine question.

what is your club doing to get fans in ? how much are your tickets etc ?

Good question. When swansea were in the prem, i constantly heard this from man u fans in south wales "he only supported swansea since they got to prem" i find this massively hypocritical. Somewhere down the line in their family tree, someone would have originally done this with supporting man u and the result of this is their great great grandson is a massive man u fan.

Swansea have recently employeed football ambassadors such as trundle who go into schools promoting swansea, running football camps etc.. However the only way to increase support is success. In 25 years swansea went from 2000 season ticket holders to 15000, (i know it has decreased to 11000 ish now). The same can be said with ninian park and your team.

Imagine how successful we could both be if there were no plastic fans in south wales.

Bungle he can hardly string a sentence together

Now before you see red im just here for a friendly discussion and light hearted banter . Before the usual "why are you on here, get on your own forum etc" i know many many cardiff fans and some that i know, i like more than any swansea fan so please be kind (if this type of discussion is not wanted ill happily leave) Just want to bring this up to see number 1, if im right or wrong (happy to be proved otherwise, i do have swansea tinted glasses on) and number 2, if i am right, to see if there's anything that can be done about it for both clubs.

My premise - "Cardiff is one of the most poorly supported clubs per population density in the whole of the Uk"

Cardiff city -
Total population of south east wales including cardiff, newport, bridgend, barry all valleys is just over 1.5million. 400 thousand in cardiff alone. These areas are staunch cardiff supporting areas. This does not include areas such as llanelli, glyncorrwg, neath, cymmer, Brecon and port talbot, which are very odd places in which they are very close to swansea but have a very high amount of cardiff supporters (60 - 40) in port talbots case. In terms of rugby, you have cardiff blues and newport gwent dragons which are not very well supported.

Swansea -
Total population of south west wales is roughly 750 thousand people including swanseas population of just over 230 thousand. These two areas have llanelli scarletts and ospreys which have relatively larger fan bases.

Stadium sizes and attendance -
Cardiff have filled their stadium twice since being opened however these were against man u and liverpool. At just over 33000. Swansea have filled their stadium over 60 times at just over 20000.

Im not for once saying that we would get same as you if in the same size stadium. We would probably get 25000 max for huge games! however i have based this off demand and ticket sales. It could be more/less probably less.

On average for the last 4 seasons you have had 3/4000 more people per game. But considering population size, we are both poorly supported with you considerably more. To encapsulate this i have divided the population and divided by average attendance over last 4 seasons roughly

Cardiff - 1600000/21000 = 76. So 1 in every 76 people watch cardiff

Swansea - 750000/16000 = 46. So 1 in every 46 people watch swansea.

I know there are alot of variables but even if my stats had a 10% margin of error. My premise is still proven. Now i could do this for everyclub in the uk but i dont think i will be far off.

Why is this the case or am i way off? Just light banter/interest/discussion before me and my family have death threats.

You do realise that we have a choice of things to do here?

Not just Swansea town or the Lesuire centre.

I agree, there are a lot better things to do in south east wales than watch cardiff city

I've read this thread with interest and enjoyed the genuine responses with honest answers.
Thanks curious jack for a decent post. Too many of your lot and I'm sure ours too go on each others' forums to be wind up merchants.
I agree with much of what's been said:
Too many plastics in S Wales. Lots elsewhere of course but we seem to have the worst of it. I can't stand the plastics personally and would much rather support my local team (even if it is Swansea )
Cardiff doesn't have the large passionate football loving fanbase like Sunderland, Norwich, etc but our loyal supporters are amongst the best.
The potential is there for Cardiff to be a bigger club, as has been said ... with sustained Premier League status, decent owners who give a sh#t, etc.

Thank you:) despite the rivalry, theres alot of things that both set of fans agree on

one of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a jack, and I consider him a good friend, so i'll ask a genuine question.

what is your club doing to get fans in ? how much are your tickets etc ?

Good question. When swansea were in the prem, i constantly heard this from man u fans in south wales "he only supported swansea since they got to prem" i find this massively hypocritical. Somewhere down the line in their family tree, someone would have originally done this with supporting man u and the result of this is their great great grandson is a massive man u fan.

Swansea have recently employeed football ambassadors such as trundle who go into schools promoting swansea, running football camps etc.. However the only way to increase support is success. In 25 years swansea went from 2000 season ticket holders to 15000, (i know it has decreased to 11000 ish now). The same can be said with ninian park and your team.

Imagine how successful we could both be if there were no plastic fans in south wales.

so has the tickets remained affordable ? and i don't know about swansea, but what are the transport links like ? I'm a Port Talbot Cardiff fan, so if i go to a game, its already £13 odd train to Cardiff, i either do that long walk to the stadium, or if theres a few of us, a taxi. usually looking at about £20 sometimes just to get there, which might not seem like much, but time i factor in some food etc, ontop of my Seasont ticket cost, it all adds up.

I know you do the "schools" thing, as a local school round here usually gets in Trundle, Britton (not sure if he still goes) etc to the schools. which I always think is fantastic, and slightly annoying because our club doesn't. It is slightly annoying that onfield success seems to be the only way to get fans in both stadiums, when you see the likes of Leeds have an under 23's cup game, they sell out.

I know a few guys in Barry who bought season tickets when Cardiff were promoted, then reverted to Man U/Liverpool when cardiff went down. Don’t know what the answer is but I think as football becomes more elitist , with European Super League Etc, it will get worse.

one of the most knowledgeable football fans I know is a jack, and I consider him a good friend, so i'll ask a genuine question.

what is your club doing to get fans in ? how much are your tickets etc ?

Good question. When swansea were in the prem, i constantly heard this from man u fans in south wales "he only supported swansea since they got to prem" i find this massively hypocritical. Somewhere down the line in their family tree, someone would have originally done this with supporting man u and the result of this is their great great grandson is a massive man u fan.

Swansea have recently employeed football ambassadors such as trundle who go into schools promoting swansea, running football camps etc.. However the only way to increase support is success. In 25 years swansea went from 2000 season ticket holders to 15000, (i know it has decreased to 11000 ish now). The same can be said with ninian park and your team.

Imagine how successful we could both be if there were no plastic fans in south wales.

so has the tickets remained affordable ? and i don't know about swansea, but what are the transport links like ? I'm a Port Talbot Cardiff fan, so if i go to a game, its already £13 odd train to Cardiff, i either do that long walk to the stadium, or if theres a few of us, a taxi. usually looking at about £20 sometimes just to get there, which might not seem like much, but time i factor in some food etc, ontop of my Seasont ticket cost, it all adds up.

I know you do the "schools" thing, as a local school round here usually gets in Trundle, Britton (not sure if he still goes) etc to the schools. which I always think is fantastic, and slightly annoying because our club doesn't. It is slightly annoying that onfield success seems to be the only way to get fans in both stadiums, when you see the likes of Leeds have an under 23's cup game, they sell out.

Not sure about ex players visiting schools but city hVe excellent game in the community set up like most clubs do so players always out and about when possible...