O/T Is the world changing - RE: Gaza and Ukraine

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Changing for the better hopefully, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world , the 2014 coup and the Obama and biden interference caused the war .hopefully trump can sort this mess out

Wow. You think innocent people in Gaza and Ukraine dying, nations not having their own sovereignty is "for the better".

That says a lot about you then.

I’m pretty sure that’s not what he meant at all. There’s other things happening in the world not just Israel and the Ukraine.

You are totally right , these wars need to stop .

At any cost, according to you.

So he stops the wars in Ukraine and gaza? Well if people look at his solutions for war ending he as appeased putin who invaded a sovereign state by saying he can keep the land he's taken ..... so what's stopping putin invading Moldova ect next after he’s replenished his arsenal? Peace plan for Palestine is to remove its people from gaza and put them into other countries otherwise stop aid to those countries? And allow Israeli settlers take over the land and if anyone forgotten it was trump who gave his blessing last time in office for Israel to take land against international law and refuses to recognise anyone who says or does anything to Netanyahu... . So it's Peace no matter what it cost people but at no cost to putin or Netanyahu both invaders of another country and breakers of international law......and what he's done in usa as repercussions all over the world think people should read more about the consequences of what Trump is doing to see the risk to regions everywhere .... yes he as a point about usa first but there are better ways to do it than mouthing off causing unessasary
Panic to govmnts and appeasing criminals like putin and Netanyahu?

Ukrainians history is a lot more complicated than putin just wants it , the coup changed everything, Ukraine were killing Russians in the eastern areas , add the fact that the west installed a pro western government in Ukraine that wanted to join nato breaking agreements made previously . There's a number of factors but let's face it nato expansion is a big one. That war need to end , Ukraine can not win it andcmillikbsxof people on both sides have died already.

Wez your right things are complicated than what you hear on news Israel situation been going since 1948 when the country was invented! Palestinians was in region long time before them.... and israel/Jews haven't stopped taking over areas of land if they can get away with it ever since..... latest place is in Indonesia they're setting up communities replacing locals and local businesses as can imagine locals not happy... anyway I digress trump will "trumpet" his ability to bring peace today with his threats to Ukraine Jordan/Egypt....but what about tomorrow? All three countries will be vulnerable to problems caused by trumps capitulation to putin and Netanyahu..... there will be no usa to sort it out as its a case of I'm alright jack its not my problem attitude trump as adopted towards the world...... as they say theres good friends and bad ones the latter best describes trump perfectly.

Jews have been in the area for millennia, if you believe the Bible Jesus (a well known 4x2) was baptised in the River Jordan. There was mass Jewish migration from other ME Countries and also Europe, particularly Russia, in the 1880/90s over a quarter of a million one year.
The solution is fekkedifIknow, the Palestinians don’t want a 2 state solution and the Israelis ain’t going anywhere, anytime soon.

Trump speaks with a forked tongue, if the face cream allowed it would show a wry smile when he speaks most times.

US going to take over Gaza and turn it into Club Med - Result the Arab league coming up with THEIR solution this week. Perfect its yours, you control the rocket though.

Ukraine - What do you do when a foe invades you - fight. Its not my war though, as Sudanese civil war, Myanmar civil war, Haiti gang violence, Rohingya conflict, Rakhine State conflict, Karen conflict & Kachin conflict are either.

Starmer has given or promised £12.8 billion to Ukraine. We must be fcuking loaded then

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Changing for the better hopefully, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world , the 2014 coup and the Obama and biden interference caused the war .hopefully trump can sort this mess out

Wow. You think innocent people in Gaza and Ukraine dying, nations not having their own sovereignty is "for the better".

That says a lot about you then.

I’m pretty sure that’s not what he meant at all. There’s other things happening in the world not just Israel and the Ukraine.

You are totally right , these wars need to stop .

At any cost, according to you.

So he stops the wars in Ukraine and gaza? Well if people look at his solutions for war ending he as appeased putin who invaded a sovereign state by saying he can keep the land he's taken ..... so what's stopping putin invading Moldova ect next after he’s replenished his arsenal? Peace plan for Palestine is to remove its people from gaza and put them into other countries otherwise stop aid to those countries? And allow Israeli settlers take over the land and if anyone forgotten it was trump who gave his blessing last time in office for Israel to take land against international law and refuses to recognise anyone who says or does anything to Netanyahu... . So it's Peace no matter what it cost people but at no cost to putin or Netanyahu both invaders of another country and breakers of international law......and what he's done in usa as repercussions all over the world think people should read more about the consequences of what Trump is doing to see the risk to regions everywhere .... yes he as a point about usa first but there are better ways to do it than mouthing off causing unessasary
Panic to govmnts and appeasing criminals like putin and Netanyahu?

Ukrainians history is a lot more complicated than putin just wants it , the coup changed everything, Ukraine were killing Russians in the eastern areas , add the fact that the west installed a pro western government in Ukraine that wanted to join nato breaking agreements made previously . There's a number of factors but let's face it nato expansion is a big one. That war need to end , Ukraine can not win it andcmillikbsxof people on both sides have died already.

Wez your right things are complicated than what you hear on news Israel situation been going since 1948 when the country was invented! Palestinians was in region long time before them.... and israel/Jews haven't stopped taking over areas of land if they can get away with it ever since..... latest place is in Indonesia they're setting up communities replacing locals and local businesses as can imagine locals not happy... anyway I digress trump will "trumpet" his ability to bring peace today with his threats to Ukraine Jordan/Egypt....but what about tomorrow? All three countries will be vulnerable to problems caused by trumps capitulation to putin and Netanyahu..... there will be no usa to sort it out as its a case of I'm alright jack its not my problem attitude trump as adopted towards the world...... as they say theres good friends and bad ones the latter best describes trump perfectly.

Jews have been in the area for millennia, if you believe the Bible Jesus (a well known 4x2) was baptised in the River Jordan. There was mass Jewish migration from other ME Countries and also Europe, particularly Russia, in the 1880/90s over a quarter of a million one year.
The solution is fekkedifIknow, the Palestinians don’t want a 2 state solution and the Israelis ain’t going anywhere, anytime soon.

No they're not in fact they're going everywhere they can invade? And if hamas doesn't want 2 state solution Israel right eing (pals of Netanyahu) have publicly said won't accept 2 state solution so guess its another 100 years war... May the best man win.

Trump is warped. He wants to turn Gaza into a holiday resort. What next turn the concentration camps into Butlins.
He wants Ukraine for the minerals.
America's war record is not great. They were a couple of years to late for World War two. Defeated in Vietnam, Afghanistan & Korea
It wouldn't surprise me years to come to hear he was a Russia agent.
The man will do anything for money.

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You may not like Trump, but he is transactional and get shit done.

This week Egypt will deliver a plan for Gaza without Hamas and The French are calling a meeting for the Europeans to take care of their own continent rather than pimping on the yanks.

I do agree with John Major it may be a long-term loss for the yanks as their influence without questions will drift away. But the undeniable question will be is Europe the EU?

You may not like Trump, but he is transactional and get shit done.

This week Egypt will deliver a plan for Gaza without Hamas and The French are calling a meeting for the Europeans to take care of their own continent rather than pimping on the yanks.

I do agree with John Major it may be a long-term loss for the yanks as their influence without questions will drift away. But the undeniable question will be is Europe the EU?

Egypt may have a plan but so does Israel! settlers are invading area 2&3 in West bank already stole area 1 and usa backs them to keep it all just like every other settlement Israel has set up in occupied land all against international law that usa couldn't give a toss about same as Israel....Netanyahu is talking to Americans about his plans they have for gaza we'll see how much pressure trump puts on Egypt and Jordan to accept they're vision for gaza and don't mean what Trump says about making it holiday resort ! Europe/EU could make any deal they like regarding self sufficiency without usa help but can bet you're usa dollar that Trump will not accept anything that he does not like.... more worrying is give Russia an inch what will they take next year or so as several countries vulnerable around them lot smaller than Ukraine? And who's going to fill other vacumes being left by usa? China maybe so uncertain times ahead that's for sure..

Have a look at these, it should clear things up!
Ukraine applied to join NATO in 2008. But at the Bucharest Summit in April 2008, NATO froze Ukraine’s application.

Ukraine signed a Partnership and Cooperation Agreement with the EU in 1994, Moscow never objected.



The real origins of the war

Putin was relaxed about Ukraine until, in 2011–13, the so-called Bolotnaya pro-democracy protests erupted in major Russian cities. The unrest convinced Putin that democracy, if left unchecked in Ukraine or elsewhere in the former Soviet Union, could sweep him away – to face an uncertain future.

Russia–Ukraine history

Nationalists love to say that ‘X territory is the ancient home of our people’. Putin has mangled history as far back as the 9th century to attempt to justify his invasion. But the key date is 1991.

On 1 December 1991, Ukraine held a referendum on independence from the Soviet Union. 84 per cent of the electorate took part, of whom 92.3 per cent voted for independence. Both Luhansk and Donetsk, the two regions partly occupied by Russia since 2014, voted 83.9 per cent in favour of Ukrainian independence. In Crimea, the figure was 54.2 per cent.

One week later, on 8 December 1991, the leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus signed the Belovezh Accords, declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist. On 21 December, 11 of the 12 remaining Soviet republics – all except Georgia, and the Baltic states, whose independence the Soviet Union had recognised months earlier – signed the Alma-Ata Protocol, reiterating the end of the Soviet Union and the creation of a Confederation of Independent States. On 25 December, Soviet President Gorbachev resigned. The flag of the Soviet Union was lowered at the Kremlin and the flag of Russia was hoisted.

Russia–Ukraine: Treaties and loose ends

The Belovezh Accords left plenty of loose ends. They included the presence in Ukraine of a massive stockpile of leftover Soviet weapons. The former Soviet republics also shared a currency.

In December 1994, Russia, the US and the UK signed the Budapest Memorandum. In exchange for Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan’s giving up nuclear weapons, signatories promised to respect those countries’ independence and sovereignty within existing borders, to refrain from the threat or the use of force against them, and to resist using economic pressure to influence their policies. Russia, the US and UK did not, however, commit themselves to defending the three countries.

In May 1997, Ukraine and Russia signed the Treaty on Friendship, Co-operation and Partnership, also known as the Big Treaty. Both sides promised to respect the inviolability of existing borders, to respect territorial integrity, and not to invade the other’s country. Russia abrogated both treaties in March 2014 – after invading Crimea.

All well complicated and tbh, feck all to do with us, we never learn to keep our nose out of other people's business. One thing is for sure, the Ukrainian president when it's all done and dusted will be a very rich man and probably ship out to UAE and live out his days in luxury.

Putin will try to remain in power until he dies one way or another, as for the conflict in the middle east, well that will continue long after I have gone.

Have a look at these, it should clear things up!
Ukraine applied to join NATO in 2008. But at the Bucharest Summit in April 2008, NATO froze Ukraine’s application.

Ukraine signed a Partnership and Cooperation Agreement with the EU in 1994, Moscow never objected.



The real origins of the war

Putin was relaxed about Ukraine until, in 2011–13, the so-called Bolotnaya pro-democracy protests erupted in major Russian cities. The unrest convinced Putin that democracy, if left unchecked in Ukraine or elsewhere in the former Soviet Union, could sweep him away – to face an uncertain future.

Russia–Ukraine history

Nationalists love to say that ‘X territory is the ancient home of our people’. Putin has mangled history as far back as the 9th century to attempt to justify his invasion. But the key date is 1991.

On 1 December 1991, Ukraine held a referendum on independence from the Soviet Union. 84 per cent of the electorate took part, of whom 92.3 per cent voted for independence. Both Luhansk and Donetsk, the two regions partly occupied by Russia since 2014, voted 83.9 per cent in favour of Ukrainian independence. In Crimea, the figure was 54.2 per cent.

One week later, on 8 December 1991, the leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus signed the Belovezh Accords, declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist. On 21 December, 11 of the 12 remaining Soviet republics – all except Georgia, and the Baltic states, whose independence the Soviet Union had recognised months earlier – signed the Alma-Ata Protocol, reiterating the end of the Soviet Union and the creation of a Confederation of Independent States. On 25 December, Soviet President Gorbachev resigned. The flag of the Soviet Union was lowered at the Kremlin and the flag of Russia was hoisted.

Russia–Ukraine: Treaties and loose ends

The Belovezh Accords left plenty of loose ends. They included the presence in Ukraine of a massive stockpile of leftover Soviet weapons. The former Soviet republics also shared a currency.

In December 1994, Russia, the US and the UK signed the Budapest Memorandum. In exchange for Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan’s giving up nuclear weapons, signatories promised to respect those countries’ independence and sovereignty within existing borders, to refrain from the threat or the use of force against them, and to resist using economic pressure to influence their policies. Russia, the US and UK did not, however, commit themselves to defending the three countries.

In May 1997, Ukraine and Russia signed the Treaty on Friendship, Co-operation and Partnership, also known as the Big Treaty. Both sides promised to respect the inviolability of existing borders, to respect territorial integrity, and not to invade the other’s country. Russia abrogated both treaties in March 2014 – after invading Crimea.

All well complicated and tbh, feck all to do with us, we never learn to keep our nose out of other people's business. One thing is for sure, the Ukrainian president when it's all done and dusted will be a very rich man and probably ship out to UAE and live out his days in luxury.

Putin will try to remain in power until he dies one way or another, as for the conflict in the middle east, well that will continue long after I have gone.

Have you watched Zelenskyys sycophantic thank you speech to Blackrock and Morgan Stanley? and Catherine Belton’s Putins People is worth a read, if you haven’t already.
Russia is a Mafia state.

No matter what the past was its now that matters! Trump on Sunday told Netanyahu do whatever you want to do regarding gaza? There's no doubting what that means for Palestinians despite him and trump saying it will be voluntary!! As for putin and trump...... in 1938 chamberlain came back waiving peace papers from Hitler and we all know what happened next? So beware of sheep in wolves clothing.

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Ned people have got uolook behond present troubles ..... if purin gets away with his land grab invasion no matter what usa try putin will go after the smaller states at his border in a year or two.... its not so much as what Trump says its the consequences of he says.... as for Netanyahu he already as carte blanch to fo what he likes regarding Palestinians so can you imagine displacing them to Jordan and Egypt and hamas and other local radicals start bombing Israel again he won't hesitate to attack them all under the pretence of self defence and fully backed by his boyfriend Trump maybe its time europe tells usa to leave NATO & UN as what Trump proposes makes both organisations impotent with usa barking orders without participating but at least countries won't have hands tied by trump and his big mouth if usa not involved. ...

Extremely worrying time Allan, you just don't know what Trump will do next. But we know he'll let Putin and Netanyahu do whatever they want - not good.

Trump as just caused chaos worldwide by threats and cohesion .. lots he's said won't happen but the damage is already done by then.... only republicans he as bought likes him or want him now .... one local American said would happily shoot him they're not only ones I feel as no Americans I know like him... all I can see is more bullying from him while he's not fit to be president of free world the people he as put in prime positions are so out of their depth you wouldn't let them run a bath or they're pro Russian or Israeli .. can only see problems with worldwide disturbances by radicals ect who know usa wont intervene as Trump basically says no usa troops will support foreign powers..

With all respect mate. The narrative put out by likes of the Beeb and similar is many miles away from what’s actually happening over in The States. Record army recruitment, retired Border guards volunteering to return. There’s a big feel good factor going on amongst a lot of demographics there. But there will always be negative press on him as he rubs many up the wrong way.

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Changing for the better hopefully, Ukraine was one of the most corrupt countries in the world , the 2014 coup and the Obama and biden interference caused the war .hopefully trump can sort this mess out

Wow. You think innocent people in Gaza and Ukraine dying, nations not having their own sovereignty is "for the better".

That says a lot about you then.

I’m pretty sure that’s not what he meant at all. There’s other things happening in the world not just Israel and the Ukraine.

You are totally right , these wars need to stop .

At any cost, according to you.

There's been a dreadfully cost already ! .

Well we can agree on that.

I don't agree with his view of the world but if Trump can end the suffering then he'll go down in history.

Don't see it happening but I'll hold my hands up if I'm wrong.

Can put up with a leader I don't agree with if he actually delivers peace.

Trump has a better chance than anyone , he will actually get people together to do a deal .

Zelensky said as much the other month Just before the inauguration if I remember rightly. Something like he felt the war had more chance of ending soon under Trump than under the current US regime.

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Ned people have got uolook behond present troubles ..... if purin gets away with his land grab invasion no matter what usa try putin will go after the smaller states at his border in a year or two.... its not so much as what Trump says its the consequences of he says.... as for Netanyahu he already as carte blanch to fo what he likes regarding Palestinians so can you imagine displacing them to Jordan and Egypt and hamas and other local radicals start bombing Israel again he won't hesitate to attack them all under the pretence of self defence and fully backed by his boyfriend Trump maybe its time europe tells usa to leave NATO & UN as what Trump proposes makes both organisations impotent with usa barking orders without participating but at least countries won't have hands tied by trump and his big mouth if usa not involved. ...

Extremely worrying time Allan, you just don't know what Trump will do next. But we know he'll let Putin and Netanyahu do whatever they want - not good.

Trump as just caused chaos worldwide by threats and cohesion .. lots he's said won't happen but the damage is already done by then.... only republicans he as bought likes him or want him now .... one local American said would happily shoot him they're not only ones I feel as no Americans I know like him... all I can see is more bullying from him while he's not fit to be president of free world the people he as put in prime positions are so out of their depth you wouldn't let them run a bath or they're pro Russian or Israeli .. can only see problems with worldwide disturbances by radicals ect who know usa wont intervene as Trump basically says no usa troops will support foreign powers..

With all respect mate. The narrative put out by likes of the Beeb and similar is many miles away from what’s actually happening over in The States. Record army recruitment, retired Border guards volunteering to return. There’s a big feel good factor going on amongst a lot of demographics there. But there will always be negative press on him as he rubs many up the wrong way.

Simon I read a lot of different media and not pro Israeli & Russian media .... no need to see Ukraine or Palestinian take on things as its blatantly obvious they're the ones suffering from two countries who cannot fight their own battles? Israel got usa... Russia got China & n Korea....
Said long time ago Trump is an egotistical narcissist and is using threats and cohesion to get what he wants something that is unquestionable! Whilst Trump as a big mouth and as leader of free world he should know better than to say what he's saying to russia and Israel who's leaders are personal friends of his... now got russia and Israel happy to carry on with their plans in the belief that Trump will not stop them rightly or wrongly..... as for usa and trump undoubtedly he as his supporters there because he's say put usa first but at what cost to the world? 20 or so court action against him.... using a civilian to access personal data with no checks ... sacking tens thousands of gvmnt employees so many they're trying to rehire the nuclear workers he sacked.... democracy in usa is slowly decintigrating under his I do what I like because I can't be stopped attitude? Remember he's made it so that he can't be arrested for any wrong doing.... . Big mouth who doesn't give a toss about the consequences of what he says?

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Ned people have got uolook behond present troubles ..... if purin gets away with his land grab invasion no matter what usa try putin will go after the smaller states at his border in a year or two.... its not so much as what Trump says its the consequences of he says.... as for Netanyahu he already as carte blanch to fo what he likes regarding Palestinians so can you imagine displacing them to Jordan and Egypt and hamas and other local radicals start bombing Israel again he won't hesitate to attack them all under the pretence of self defence and fully backed by his boyfriend Trump maybe its time europe tells usa to leave NATO & UN as what Trump proposes makes both organisations impotent with usa barking orders without participating but at least countries won't have hands tied by trump and his big mouth if usa not involved. ...

Extremely worrying time Allan, you just don't know what Trump will do next. But we know he'll let Putin and Netanyahu do whatever they want - not good.

Trump as just caused chaos worldwide by threats and cohesion .. lots he's said won't happen but the damage is already done by then.... only republicans he as bought likes him or want him now .... one local American said would happily shoot him they're not only ones I feel as no Americans I know like him... all I can see is more bullying from him while he's not fit to be president of free world the people he as put in prime positions are so out of their depth you wouldn't let them run a bath or they're pro Russian or Israeli .. can only see problems with worldwide disturbances by radicals ect who know usa wont intervene as Trump basically says no usa troops will support foreign powers..

With all respect mate. The narrative put out by likes of the Beeb and similar is many miles away from what’s actually happening over in The States. Record army recruitment, retired Border guards volunteering to return. There’s a big feel good factor going on amongst a lot of demographics there. But there will always be negative press on him as he rubs many up the wrong way.

Simon I read a lot of different media and not pro Israeli & Russian media .... no need to see Ukraine or Palestinian take on things as its blatantly obvious they're the ones suffering from two countries who cannot fight their own battles? Israel got usa... Russia got China & n Korea....
Said long time ago Trump is an egotistical narcissist and is using threats and cohesion to get what he wants something that is unquestionable! Whilst Trump as a big mouth and as leader of free world he should know better than to say what he's saying to russia and Israel who's leaders are personal friends of his... now got russia and Israel happy to carry on with their plans in the belief that Trump will not stop them rightly or wrongly..... as for usa and trump undoubtedly he as his supporters there because he's say put usa first but at what cost to the world? 20 or so court action against him.... using a civilian to access personal data with no checks ... sacking tens thousands of gvmnt employees so many they're trying to rehire the nuclear workers he sacked.... democracy in usa is slowly decintigrating under his I do what I like because I can't be stopped attitude? Remember he's made it so that he can't be arrested for any wrong doing.... . Big mouth who doesn't give a toss about the consequences of what he says?

A couple of things not quite correct tbh. Firstly, he’s not made it so that he can’t be arrested. The Supreme Court simply confirmed any US President cannot be indicted for illegal acts carried out in his role as President. They made it clear it does not cover personal acts of crime whilst in the job, but there is also informal etiquette not to incriminate a sitting/elected President. Nothing stopping anyone going after him in 4 yrs time. Musk, is just a private citizen (albeit with one of the highest security clearances due to his SpaceX work with the gov’t) instructed at the behest of the President to investigate corruption waste/fraud etc in various departments. No different to a private contractor or in fact some NGO employees. He’s offered everyone early redundancy if they take it, that’s their decision.
Regarding Democracy ending-after watching the last government do everything they could to try and tie him up in bogus court cases (bear in mind the prosecutors have been found to be corrupt in most of them), raid his home (could only be authorised by Biden) for classified documents, when Biden had stolen classified documents and taken them home when he was a senator and VP, which he had no legal right to remove, or declassify. Democracy ended under Biden. He has set the bar lower than a snakesbelly for the future. Especially with his corrupt preemptive pardons-see the interview of him before he got the job, saying it would set a terrible precedent if Trump preemptively pardoned his family as outgoing President.
Trump is upsetting the domestic apple cart for sure. As to abroad and his negotiation style, he’s a New York property developer and he bullies people with a rush of threats, but if he saves lives who’s to say he’s wrong? If it’s felt he’s saving them “at what cost” then he’ll be judged on that. I haven’t read up on the Club Med for Gaza story that’s making news, so I can’t comment on that. But he’s already said he wants to get agreement from Putin and Xi Ping etc, to cut his and their defence spending by 50%. If he achieves that it’ll be a miracle. But if he halts or pauses the current rush to increase nuclear arms we’ll all need to thank him.
He’s doing more to try and resolve things than the gutless shower of shit we’ve got running our country. That’s for sure. And he waives his presidential salary to charity. I can’t think of one single politician from any party over here that would do that. The noses are too deeply in the trough.

Everyone has seen what Trump has done since taking power.

Is this the start of the world changing? Will the likes of Israel and Russia have the power to do what the hell they like?

We know Trump is anti-war, but at what cost?

Netanyahu will destroy more than just Gaza if he's allowed to and Putin won't stop at Ukraine.

Today, more than ever, I fear for Gaza and Ukraine.

Ned people have got uolook behond present troubles ..... if purin gets away with his land grab invasion no matter what usa try putin will go after the smaller states at his border in a year or two.... its not so much as what Trump says its the consequences of he says.... as for Netanyahu he already as carte blanch to fo what he likes regarding Palestinians so can you imagine displacing them to Jordan and Egypt and hamas and other local radicals start bombing Israel again he won't hesitate to attack them all under the pretence of self defence and fully backed by his boyfriend Trump maybe its time europe tells usa to leave NATO & UN as what Trump proposes makes both organisations impotent with usa barking orders without participating but at least countries won't have hands tied by trump and his big mouth if usa not involved. ...

Extremely worrying time Allan, you just don't know what Trump will do next. But we know he'll let Putin and Netanyahu do whatever they want - not good.

Trump as just caused chaos worldwide by threats and cohesion .. lots he's said won't happen but the damage is already done by then.... only republicans he as bought likes him or want him now .... one local American said would happily shoot him they're not only ones I feel as no Americans I know like him... all I can see is more bullying from him while he's not fit to be president of free world the people he as put in prime positions are so out of their depth you wouldn't let them run a bath or they're pro Russian or Israeli .. can only see problems with worldwide disturbances by radicals ect who know usa wont intervene as Trump basically says no usa troops will support foreign powers..

With all respect mate. The narrative put out by likes of the Beeb and similar is many miles away from what’s actually happening over in The States. Record army recruitment, retired Border guards volunteering to return. There’s a big feel good factor going on amongst a lot of demographics there. But there will always be negative press on him as he rubs many up the wrong way.

Simon I read a lot of different media and not pro Israeli & Russian media .... no need to see Ukraine or Palestinian take on things as its blatantly obvious they're the ones suffering from two countries who cannot fight their own battles? Israel got usa... Russia got China & n Korea....
Said long time ago Trump is an egotistical narcissist and is using threats and cohesion to get what he wants something that is unquestionable! Whilst Trump as a big mouth and as leader of free world he should know better than to say what he's saying to russia and Israel who's leaders are personal friends of his... now got russia and Israel happy to carry on with their plans in the belief that Trump will not stop them rightly or wrongly..... as for usa and trump undoubtedly he as his supporters there because he's say put usa first but at what cost to the world? 20 or so court action against him.... using a civilian to access personal data with no checks ... sacking tens thousands of gvmnt employees so many they're trying to rehire the nuclear workers he sacked.... democracy in usa is slowly decintigrating under his I do what I like because I can't be stopped attitude? Remember he's made it so that he can't be arrested for any wrong doing.... . Big mouth who doesn't give a toss about the consequences of what he says?

A couple of things not quite correct tbh. Firstly, he’s not made it so that he can’t be arrested. The Supreme Court simply confirmed any US President cannot be indicted for illegal acts carried out in his role as President. They made it clear it does not cover personal acts of crime whilst in the job, but there is also informal etiquette not to incriminate a sitting/elected President. Nothing stopping anyone going after him in 4 yrs time. Musk, is just a private citizen (albeit with one of the highest security clearances due to his SpaceX work with the gov’t) instructed at the behest of the President to investigate corruption waste/fraud etc in various departments. No different to a private contractor or in fact some NGO employees. He’s offered everyone early redundancy if they take it, that’s their decision.
Regarding Democracy ending-after watching the last government do everything they could to try and tie him up in bogus court cases (bear in mind the prosecutors have been found to be corrupt in most of them), raid his home (could only be authorised by Biden) for classified documents, when Biden had stolen classified documents and taken them home when he was a senator and VP, which he had no legal right to remove, or declassify. Democracy ended under Biden. He has set the bar lower than a snakesbelly for the future. Especially with his corrupt preemptive pardons-see the interview of him before he got the job, saying it would set a terrible precedent if Trump preemptively pardoned his family as outgoing President.
Trump is upsetting the domestic apple cart for sure. As to abroad and his negotiation style, he’s a New York property developer and he bullies people with a rush of threats, but if he saves lives who’s to say he’s wrong? If it’s felt he’s saving them “at what cost” then he’ll be judged on that. I haven’t read up on the Club Med for Gaza story that’s making news, so I can’t comment on that. But he’s already said he wants to get agreement from Putin and Xi Ping etc, to cut his and their defence spending by 50%. If he achieves that it’ll be a miracle. But if he halts or pauses the current rush to increase nuclear arms we’ll all need to thank him.
He’s doing more to try and resolve things than the gutless shower of shit we’ve got running our country. That’s for sure. And he waives his presidential salary to charity. I can’t think of one single politician from any party over here that would do that. The noses are too deeply in the trough.

To many things to react on but about musk yes he's got high clearance for his contract with usa so does many other buisness men.... but having security clearance on gvmnt contracts doesn't give him clearance to access your social security personal details and more..... I see what trump is doing and he does have a point but there are better ways of achieving things than shooting off from the mouth before saying anything to those it concerns ... but for all the right things he may be doing for usa what about rest of world? He is personal friends of putin and Netanyahu and its no coincidence he spoke to both of them before any another leader? Not sure how else can describe his language other than bullying or cohesive when comes to dealing with countries no matter what intentions are..... the deal for helping Ukraine is for them to give up 400 billion in rare Mineral rights plus give up all infrastructure like ports ect in pertuity ( for ever) something that can never be paid by them...... as for Netanyahu well he's got history of backing Israel previously by allowing them to take over whatever land they want now Netanyahu was told on Sunday that he could do whatever he likes not sure how that can be interpreted other than do what Trump suggested turn out the Palestinians ..... all Trump as achieved is chaos and fear in usa and rest of world except for Israel Russia of course...Time will tell if his strategy works as intended

This is trumps demands on Ukraine he's threatened to leave Russia take over Ukraine if dont comply... why because he wants the $300b back he reckons usa has provided to Ukraine...if this is not threatening or cohesive what is?

The agreement covers the “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine”, including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure (as agreed)”, leaving it unclear what else might be encompassed. “This agreement shall be governed by New York law, without regard to conflict of laws principles,” it states.

The US will take 50pc of recurring revenues received by Ukraine from extraction of resources, and 50pc of the financial value of “all new licences issued to third parties” for the future monetisation of resources. There will be “a lien on such revenues” in favour of the US. “That clause means ‘pay us first, and then feed your children’,” said one source close to the negotiations.

It states that “for all future licences, the US will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals”. Washington will have sovereign immunity and acquire near total control over most of Ukraine’s commodity and resource economy. The fund “shall have the exclusive right to establish the method, selection criteria, terms, and conditions” of all future licences and projects. And so forth, in this vein. It seems to have been written by private lawyers, not the US departments of state or commerce.

Allan, How else are they going to pay for all the help?

Having USA interests normally is a great way to keep you "safe", ask Kuwait

It took us 60 years to pay for WW2, how do we get our money back should be the question

Allan, How else are they going to pay for all the help?

Having USA interests normally is a great way to keep you "safe", ask Kuwait

It took us 60 years to pay for WW2, how do we get our money back should be the question

Put it this way no one had to pay so much back not even after 2nd World War! He wants 50% of income from sales of wide range materials for ever not just until paid? have you seen fully what he wants It amounts to ultimatum pay up or lose you country.... haven't asked Israel to pay back the billions usa given them in arms? And Ukraine won't have usa interests no matter what because he as publically stated usa wont get involved in defending Ukraine! Now Russia have said won't accept any nato forces in Ukraine That after trumps statement I said give inch take a mile is what they doing .... all may be OK in end but Trumps mouth is taking a risk with stability of Europe and balkan states not to mention middle east.... his actions are more of tin pot dictator than leader of the free world....

Allan, How else are they going to pay for all the help?

Having USA interests normally is a great way to keep you "safe", ask Kuwait

It took us 60 years to pay for WW2, how do we get our money back should be the question

Put it this way no one had to pay so much back not even after 2nd World War! He wants 50% of income from sales of wide range materials for ever not just until paid? have you seen fully what he wants It amounts to ultimatum pay up or lose you country.... haven't asked Israel to pay back the billions usa given them in arms? And Ukraine won't have usa interests no matter what because he as publically stated usa wont get involved in defending Ukraine! Now Russia have said won't accept any nato forces in Ukraine That after trumps statement I said give inch take a mile is what they doing .... all may be OK in end but Trumps mouth is taking a risk with stability of Europe and balkan states not to mention middle east.... his actions are more of tin pot dictator than leader of the free world....

Correct me if i am wrong
Russia invades crimea 2014- USA President Obama
Russia invades Ukraine - 2022 USA President Biden
Hamas attack 2023 - 2023 USA President Biden

As said earlier in the thread or on one similar,i have no skin in the game and I'll wait and see what happens before blaming Trump for everything including the cold weather.
He is not part of the liberal western consensus and they are worried as they don't seem to have much control over him. The BBC seems apoplectic on him. I watched Victoria Derbyshire on Newsnight and nearly had a breakdown when talking about him.

In my eyes he is trying to stop 2 wars and do what is best for his countrymen, the globalists are not too happy about that........strange

Allan, How else are they going to pay for all the help?

Having USA interests normally is a great way to keep you "safe", ask Kuwait

It took us 60 years to pay for WW2, how do we get our money back should be the question

Put it this way no one had to pay so much back not even after 2nd World War! He wants 50% of income from sales of wide range materials for ever not just until paid? have you seen fully what he wants It amounts to ultimatum pay up or lose you country.... haven't asked Israel to pay back the billions usa given them in arms? And Ukraine won't have usa interests no matter what because he as publically stated usa wont get involved in defending Ukraine! Now Russia have said won't accept any nato forces in Ukraine That after trumps statement I said give inch take a mile is what they doing .... all may be OK in end but Trumps mouth is taking a risk with stability of Europe and balkan states not to mention middle east.... his actions are more of tin pot dictator than leader of the free world....

Correct me if i am wrong
Russia invades crimea 2014- USA President Obama
Russia invades Ukraine - 2022 USA President Biden
Hamas attack 2023 - 2023 USA President Biden

As said earlier in the thread or on one similar,i have no skin in the game and I'll wait and see what happens before blaming Trump for everything including the cold weather.
He is not part of the liberal western consensus and they are worried as they don't seem to have much control over him. The BBC seems apoplectic on him. I watched Victoria Derbyshire on Newsnight and nearly had a breakdown when talking about him.

In my eyes he is trying to stop 2 wars and do what is best for his countrymen, the globalists are not too happy about that........strange

Can't fault him for trying but not sure telling Russia its ok to take Ukraine land as we wont be stopping you...your right other two didn't do anything to stop aggression from anyone......... but trump will not stop Israel taking all the west Bank or gaza he as said to Netanyahu do what ylu like
on Sunday.... he was responsible last term in office for allowing desecration of Arab site in Jerusalem and refused to do sfa when Israel took land against international law so he's as culpable as other presidents.... the concern is how much is bravado and will he allow the consequences of what he says if things goes wrong like Palestinians ejected from gaza or Russia taking more of Ukraine or invade another balkan state? Yes look after no1 because usa have been taken advantage of by nations but playing brinkmanship with unstable leaders is a very dangerous game for whole world not just present conflicts.... one thing for sure he's made two leaders extatic and the rest concerned thinking 4yrs is long time to deal with him..

Macron did a great job today of correcting Trump's lies about Ukraine aid right in front of him.


https://x.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/18941 ... 0l1NA&s=19

Macron did a great job today of correcting Trump's lies about Ukraine aid right in front of him.


https://x.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/18941 ... 0l1NA&s=19

Ned read an interesting article on trump? It's something I eluded to previously all he wants is the end deal no matter how it's achieved and for him that means quickest way as seen with gaza and Ukraine proposals... he simply wants the credit for getting peace and damn the consequences for the victims....

Macron did a great job today of correcting Trump's lies about Ukraine aid right in front of him.


https://x.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/18941 ... 0l1NA&s=19

Do you actually believe the EU are supporting Ukraine for nothing, the granny marrying midget said loans and grants. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Difference with Trump is, he’s open about it.

Macron did a great job today of correcting Trump's lies about Ukraine aid right in front of him.


https://x.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/18941 ... 0l1NA&s=19

Do you actually believe the EU are supporting Ukraine for nothing, the granny marrying midget said loans and grants. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Difference with Trump is, he’s open about it.

Jock he's open with his support for Russia/putin as latest nato meeting showed...... yes he's open with wanting payment for usa help but using blackmail and extortion is hardly friendly.. wanting life long payment from minerals gas ect ect and saying usa given 500m+ in aid is about 20 times actual amount..... People on usa may love him for putting usa first but he's leaving door open for China Russia n Korea to expand their ideology and influence wider at great risk to other countries Ukraine now whos next maldova Taiwan all vulnerable and where will usa be? Eating mcds and saying not our problem .... and with Trump asking how much real- estate can I buy like gaza..

Macron did a great job today of correcting Trump's lies about Ukraine aid right in front of him.


https://x.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/18941 ... 0l1NA&s=19

Do you actually believe the EU are supporting Ukraine for nothing, the granny marrying midget said loans and grants. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Difference with Trump is, he’s open about it.

Jock he's open with his support for Russia/putin as latest nato meeting showed...... yes he's open with wanting payment for usa help but using blackmail and extortion is hardly friendly.. wanting life long payment from minerals gas ect ect and saying usa given 500m+ in aid is about 20 times actual amount..... People on usa may love him for putting usa first but he's leaving door open for China Russia n Korea to expand their ideology and influence wider at great risk to other countries Ukraine now whos next maldova Taiwan all vulnerable and where will usa be? Eating mcds and saying not our problem .... and with Trump asking how much real- estate can I buy like gaza..

The Yanks have always bullied other countries, Trump just doesn’t hide it. China already has massive worldwide influence, from their belt and road scheme to bankrolling universities. The fix is already in for Ukraine and American investment companies, like Vanguard are already running the show. It stinks but it’s not new.

Just seen the clips of Zelensky with Trump and Vance while I'm on the way to Villa Park.

People will criticise the US administration but really Zelensky didn't help himself - clearly very poor at being diplomatic.

Macron and Starmer showed him how to interact with Trump, and he ignored it.

Potentially very bad for Ukraine.

No need to fear Israel. They simply had had enough of ‘Palestinian’ aggression over the years. Israel won’t go on the attack unless they are provoked and, therefore, justified in doing so.

No need to fear Israel. They simply had had enough of ‘Palestinian’ aggression over the years. Israel won’t go on the attack unless they are provoked and, therefore, justified in doing so.

So why are they destroying homes with bulldozers on West Bank? No problems there since 1967!! They started immediately there was a truce called in gaza once again they use the excuse we are destroying terrorist who just appeared like a Tommy Cooper quote... (just like that) the whole world knows that they want the whole of the land that the Palestinians had despite it being against international law so now destroyed gaza its the west Bank
next in an unprovoked attack onthe civilian population... Israel "IDF" and Netanyahu are liars and criminals as defined by international law.

Allan, I'd like to think of myself as an objective person and blessed with a bit of common sense and emotional intelligence. Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist, many politicians are. I kinda get where he comes from sometimes and other times he totally perplexes me.

But the one thing I get is his vendetta against Biden. He believes he weaponized the US Justice Department to go after him, i can't recall this ever happening before, although nor can i recall the Jan 6th riots either.

Good ole blue collar union guy Joe had one massive Achilles heel, his son Hunter, who was with absolutely no experience, paid huge bucks, no obscene bucks to be on the board of oil companies in what country.......... OUT OF ALL THE 193 counties in the world......no way, what a coincidence...........Ukraine, nooooooo.

So when Putin invades, have a look at his reasoning, America comes full on with unlimited, not repayable funds to Russian-speaking Ukraine. So Trump who i guess isn't getting his kids those jobs doesn't trust Ukraine and doesn't give a hoot about them either.

Zelensky was always getting the treatment, he aligned with Joe Biden and the toothless Europeans

Payback is harsh

Allan, I'd like to think of myself as an objective person and blessed with a bit of common sense and emotional intelligence. Trump is a thin-skinned narcissist, many politicians are. I kinda get where he comes from sometimes and other times he totally perplexes me.

But the one thing I get is his vendetta against Biden. He believes he weaponized the US Justice Department to go after him, i can't recall this ever happening before, although nor can i recall the Jan 6th riots either.

Good ole blue collar union guy Joe had one massive Achilles heel, his son Hunter, who was with absolutely no experience, paid huge bucks, no obscene bucks to be on the board of oil companies in what country.......... OUT OF ALL THE 193 counties in the world......no way, what a coincidence...........Ukraine, nooooooo.

So when Putin invades, have a look at his reasoning, America comes full on with unlimited, not repayable funds to Russian-speaking Ukraine. So Trump who i guess isn't getting his kids those jobs doesn't trust Ukraine and doesn't give a hoot about them either.

Zelensky was always getting the treatment, he aligned with Joe Biden and the toothless Europeans

Payback is harsh

Payback is harse but we are talking about stability of Europe? Romanians very worried their next on putins list already interfering with the gvmnt there... not sure if you woul have read this morning but trump as put in an executive order that basically means he as control over everything usa does a dictatorship by any other name..... Simply no one will say no to him as we saw yesterday salenski wasn't playing ball and he was ambushed cynically by Vance and Bush no other way to describe it... but its OK Russia happy as Larry and that's all that matters yo trump.

A snipit of what Trump as done
With executive order no 69...
, (it contains a single paragraph that permits the president to decide the law and who should obey it.)
The paragraph has alarmed even some constitutional conservatives who otherwise agree with many of Trump’s actions. Other critics characterise it as another step toward an American brand of despotism.

Frank Bowman, a law professor and former federal prosecutor who authored High Crimes and Misdemeanors: A History of Impeachment for the Age of Trump, described the executive order as “breathtaking”.

“The essence of it is that Donald Trump is trying, quite consciously, to make himself an elected dictator,” he said.