Looks like you boys are going up.

The Malaysians have changed their minds many times. Ask Sam.

That scenario was just a move to get a feel. Even if all us fans stuck by our guns the Malaysians would have still got us playing in red.

I will agree with you that some of us fans bottled it which is really disappointing.

This dilemma you find yourselves in has bugger all to do with the Malaysians changing their minds. It's right there in black and white for all to see. Tan had backed down. There was no longer going to be a re-brand. It was the sycophants who changed his mind when he put his cheque book away. They literally begged Tan to push ahead with the rebrand, and Tan duly obliged. Stripping you of over a hundred years of history, and the rest of you just stood by and let it happen.

We have a proud history unlike little old swansea town who have won a mickey mouse trophy and screwed creditors twice.

So tell me Gareth.. are you happy that you changed your colours and badge? If not, what exactly did you do to stop it happening?

The Malaysians have changed their minds many times. Ask Sam.

That scenario was just a move to get a feel. Even if all us fans stuck by our guns the Malaysians would have still got us playing in red.

I will agree with you that some of us fans bottled it which is really disappointing.

This dilemma you find yourselves in has bugger all to do with the Malaysians changing their minds. It's right there in black and white for all to see. Tan had backed down. There was no longer going to be a re-brand. It was the sycophants who changed his mind when he put his cheque book away. They literally begged Tan to push ahead with the rebrand, and Tan duly obliged. Stripping you of over a hundred years of history, and the rest of you just stood by and let it happen.

We have a proud history unlike little old swansea town who have won a mickey mouse trophy and screwed creditors twice.

So tell me Gareth.. are you happy that you changed your colours and badge? If not, what exactly did you do to stop it happening?

I'm not happy that we changed kit colour. The badge doesn't bother me as it is the 4th that I remember as a lifelong fan and it has the bluebird on. I did nothing about it other than not buy my kids the home shirts.

You lot changed your name in the 60s or 70s and have changed badge 3 times in my memory. You have also gone into debt and paid creditors a pittance twice in your existence whilst Ccfc have not.

The Malaysians have changed their minds many times. Ask Sam.

That scenario was just a move to get a feel. Even if all us fans stuck by our guns the Malaysians would have still got us playing in red.

I will agree with you that some of us fans bottled it which is really disappointing.

This dilemma you find yourselves in has bugger all to do with the Malaysians changing their minds. It's right there in black and white for all to see. Tan had backed down. There was no longer going to be a re-brand. It was the sycophants who changed his mind when he put his cheque book away. They literally begged Tan to push ahead with the rebrand, and Tan duly obliged. Stripping you of over a hundred years of history, and the rest of you just stood by and let it happen.

We have a proud history unlike little old swansea town who have won a mickey mouse trophy and screwed creditors twice.

So tell me Gareth.. are you happy that you changed your colours and badge? If not, what exactly did you do to stop it happening?

I'm not happy that we changed kit colour. The badge doesn't bother me as it is the 4th that I remember as a lifelong fan and it has the bluebird on. I did nothing about it other than not buy my kids the home shirts.

You lot changed your name in the 60s or 70s and have changed badge 3 times in my memory. You have also gone into debt and paid creditors a pittance twice in your existence whilst Ccfc have not.

So basically you did nothing?

Are you seriously going to lecture us on debt? The amount of money we owed at the time was miniscule compared to the debt that you lot are CURRENTLY in. And before you start bleating, this debt of yours has yet to be repaid. You still owe it. The only chance you've got of ever repaying it is to bow down to this superstitious Malaysian megalomaniac of yours. Which brings us back to my original question. Do you feel comfortable whoring yourself out, even if it does mean paying off that old crook Sam?
Ps, when you refer to us changing names, are you referring to us changing from Swansea town to Swansea city? You do know why this was done don't you?

You were the dragons for a few years... Forget that?

The Malaysians have changed their minds many times. Ask Sam.

That scenario was just a move to get a feel. Even if all us fans stuck by our guns the Malaysians would have still got us playing in red.

I will agree with you that some of us fans bottled it which is really disappointing.

This dilemma you find yourselves in has bugger all to do with the Malaysians changing their minds. It's right there in black and white for all to see. Tan had backed down. There was no longer going to be a re-brand. It was the sycophants who changed his mind when he put his cheque book away. They literally begged Tan to push ahead with the rebrand, and Tan duly obliged. Stripping you of over a hundred years of history, and the rest of you just stood by and let it happen.

We have a proud history unlike little old swansea town who have won a mickey mouse trophy and screwed creditors twice.

So tell me Gareth.. are you happy that you changed your colours and badge? If not, what exactly did you do to stop it happening?

I'm not happy that we changed kit colour. The badge doesn't bother me as it is the 4th that I remember as a lifelong fan and it has the bluebird on. I did nothing about it other than not buy my kids the home shirts.

You lot changed your name in the 60s or 70s and have changed badge 3 times in my memory. You have also gone into debt and paid creditors a pittance twice in your existence whilst Ccfc have not.

So basically you did nothing?

Are you seriously going to lecture us on debt? The amount of money we owed at the time was miniscule compared to the debt that you lot are CURRENTLY in. And before you start bleating, this debt of yours has yet to be repaid. You still owe it. The only chance you've got of ever repaying it is to bow down to this superstitious Malaysian megalomaniac of yours. Which brings us back to my original question. Do you feel comfortable whoring yourself out, even if it does mean paying off that old crook Sam?
Ps, when you refer to us changing names, are you referring to us changing from Swansea town to Swansea city? You do know why this was done don't you?

St Davids is a proper city whereas swansea become a city by decree.

Sam is a crook? Maybe you should send him a letter saying so. Libel springs to mind.

As regards debt people in fibre glass houses really shouldn't throw stones mr reebok classic.

The Malaysians have changed their minds many times. Ask Sam.

That scenario was just a move to get a feel. Even if all us fans stuck by our guns the Malaysians would have still got us playing in red.

I will agree with you that some of us fans bottled it which is really disappointing.

This dilemma you find yourselves in has bugger all to do with the Malaysians changing their minds. It's right there in black and white for all to see. Tan had backed down. There was no longer going to be a re-brand. It was the sycophants who changed his mind when he put his cheque book away. They literally begged Tan to push ahead with the rebrand, and Tan duly obliged. Stripping you of over a hundred years of history, and the rest of you just stood by and let it happen.

We have a proud history unlike little old swansea town who have won a mickey mouse trophy and screwed creditors twice.

So tell me Gareth.. are you happy that you changed your colours and badge? If not, what exactly did you do to stop it happening?

I'm not happy that we changed kit colour. The badge doesn't bother me as it is the 4th that I remember as a lifelong fan and it has the bluebird on. I did nothing about it other than not buy my kids the home shirts.

You lot changed your name in the 60s or 70s and have changed badge 3 times in my memory. You have also gone into debt and paid creditors a pittance twice in your existence whilst Ccfc have not.

So basically you did nothing?

Are you seriously going to lecture us on debt? The amount of money we owed at the time was miniscule compared to the debt that you lot are CURRENTLY in. And before you start bleating, this debt of yours has yet to be repaid. You still owe it. The only chance you've got of ever repaying it is to bow down to this superstitious Malaysian megalomaniac of yours. Which brings us back to my original question. Do you feel comfortable whoring yourself out, even if it does mean paying off that old crook Sam?
Ps, when you refer to us changing names, are you referring to us changing from Swansea town to Swansea city? You do know why this was done don't you?

tragic daps we know why we are in debt! but we also know why you are not in debt don't we>? freeby stadium couldn't afford to have one otherwise, no rent or very little! screwed buisnesses as couldn't afford small debt half mil or less was it?
ffs why don't you give up this sancremonias crap about being well run club when in fact you have chosen easy way out every time with stadium &screwing local buisnesses! even we would be debt free if chose your way!

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

Well it's not a freebie as the club don't own it..

Swansea own the Liberty as much as they own the LC2 or the Bus Station...

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

When you say "payed", do you mean "paid" ? Just wondering, and you are commenting on someone`s spelling. Thicko.

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Indeed, the vast majority of the funding for the Liberty Stadium came from the sale of land on the retail park, along with a Football Trust grant acquired by the club in the region of £2m.

How much did Cardiff City pay for the land for the stadium and retail park given that Swansea Council raised around £25m from the sale of land in Morfa retail park?

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Indeed, the vast majority of the funding for the Liberty Stadium came from the sale of land on the retail park, along with a Football Trust grant acquired by the club in the region of £2m.

How much did Cardiff City pay for the land for the stadium and retail park given that Swansea Council raised around £25m from the sale of land in Morfa retail park?

CCFC were given the land by Cardiff council. The same land that they sold to the council for 50k in the late 80s. I believe Tony Clemo sold the land (old car park) as we needed the cash, the city needed an athletics track and the land at the time was worthless as covenants meant it could only be used for sport related business.

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

You're missing the point here Barry. People accuse us of having our stadium built for us for nothing. A freebee if you will. The tax payers of Swansea payed for the liberty through their council tax. Do you understand?

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Indeed, the vast majority of the funding for the Liberty Stadium came from the sale of land on the retail park, along with a Football Trust grant acquired by the club in the region of £2m.

How much did Cardiff City pay for the land for the stadium and retail park given that Swansea Council raised around £25m from the sale of land in Morfa retail park?

CCFC were given the land by Cardiff council. The same land that they sold to the council for 50k in the late 80s. I believe Tony Clemo sold the land (old car park) as we needed the cash, the city needed an athletics track and the land at the time was worthless as covenants meant it could only be used for sport related business.

So you were given the land for nothing when instead, the council could have benefited to the tune of millions if the council had sold the land itself to retail developers?

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Indeed, the vast majority of the funding for the Liberty Stadium came from the sale of land on the retail park, along with a Football Trust grant acquired by the club in the region of £2m.

How much did Cardiff City pay for the land for the stadium and retail park given that Swansea Council raised around £25m from the sale of land in Morfa retail park?

CCFC were given the land by Cardiff council. The same land that they sold to the council for 50k in the late 80s. I believe Tony Clemo sold the land (old car park) as we needed the cash, the city needed an athletics track and the land at the time was worthless as covenants meant it could only be used for sport related business.

So you were given the land for nothing when instead, the council could have benefited to the tune of millions if the council had sold the land itself to retail developers?

No we were given back the land that we got very little for to build a stadium and retail park that benefits the capital city of Wales. The council were built a nice new athletics stadium and major road improvements as part of the scheme.

Christ Allan, your grammar and spelling are almost as bad as swansealad, but at least he provides a decent argument. I'll ask you again.. why do you think the liberty is a freebee? Swansea council payed interserve to build the stadium, but where do you think they got the money from? That's right, Swansea council gets its money from the council tax payers of Swansea. In other words the liberty stadium is a stadium for the people of Swansea, payed for by the people of Swansea. Explain to me again why you think its a freebee?

I hate to correct you (again) but your stadium funding is most likely to have come from the retail parks near the ground. The ccs was funded by the retail park and you will find that the vast majority of new stadia are funded by developments.

Indeed, the vast majority of the funding for the Liberty Stadium came from the sale of land on the retail park, along with a Football Trust grant acquired by the club in the region of £2m.

How much did Cardiff City pay for the land for the stadium and retail park given that Swansea Council raised around £25m from the sale of land in Morfa retail park?

CCFC were given the land by Cardiff council. The same land that they sold to the council for 50k in the late 80s. I believe Tony Clemo sold the land (old car park) as we needed the cash, the city needed an athletics track and the land at the time was worthless as covenants meant it could only be used for sport related business.

So you were given the land for nothing when instead, the council could have benefited to the tune of millions if the council had sold the land itself to retail developers?

No we were given back the land that we got very little for to build a stadium and retail park that benefits the capital city of Wales. The council were built a nice new athletics stadium and major road improvements as part of the scheme.

The fact you sold the land in the 80's has absolutely no relevance.

It was council owned land that they could have developed themselves and made millions on. Correct?

I wish you Jacks would read the posts instead of letting your biased minds divert you.

I wish you Jacks would read the posts instead of letting your biased minds divert you.

And I wish you would learn to quote so people know which post(s) you're referring to.

C'est la vie.

I wish you Jacks would read the posts instead of letting your biased minds divert you.

And I wish you would learn to quote so people know which post(s) you're referring to.

C'est la vie.

read the posts you are quoting against before you jump in with two feet.

I wish you Jacks would read the posts instead of letting your biased minds divert you.

And I wish you would learn to quote so people know which post(s) you're referring to.

C'est la vie.

read the posts you are quoting against before you jump in with two feet.

Feel free to point out any error I've made.

i'll give you a honest and decent answer, i only read the first line and the answer is no

i'd rather us play in league two. to remain blue and our originial badge i dont believe selling our soul was worth it. we play shit football but get the points. our atmosphere is now dead. and its like watching the shadow of a sleeping giant. its been awoken but the giant isnt so powerfull at all.

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

You're missing the point here Barry. People accuse us of having our stadium built for us for nothing. A freebee if you will. The tax payers of Swansea payed for the liberty through their council tax. Do you understand?

Not really, it's you who doesn't understand..

You can't call it a freebie as it wasn't given to you and you don't own it.

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

You're missing the point here Barry. People accuse us of having our stadium built for us for nothing. A freebee if you will. The tax payers of Swansea payed for the liberty through their council tax. Do you understand?

Not really, it's you who doesn't understand..

You can't call it a freebie as it wasn't given to you and you don't own it.

Jesus H Christ! I'm not calling it a freebee! You lot are calling it a freebee! I pay my council tax. My council tax payed for the liberty. It's not rocket science!

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

You're missing the point here Barry. People accuse us of having our stadium built for us for nothing. A freebee if you will. The tax payers of Swansea payed for the liberty through their council tax. Do you understand?

Not really, it's you who doesn't understand..

You can't call it a freebie as it wasn't given to you and you don't own it.

Jesus H Christ! I'm not calling it a freebee! You lot are calling it a freebee! I pay my council tax. My council tax payed for the liberty. It's not rocket science!

"A freebie if you will" - just pointing out that it's not your stadium to claim, simple.

Christ almighty! Swansea council paid for the liberty. Who pays Swansea council? The people of Swansea. I'll ask you again.. in what way is the liberty a freebee?

It isn't a freebie as you don't own it.

You're missing the point here Barry. People accuse us of having our stadium built for us for nothing. A freebee if you will. The tax payers of Swansea payed for the liberty through their council tax. Do you understand?

Not really, it's you who doesn't understand..

You can't call it a freebie as it wasn't given to you and you don't own it.

Jesus H Christ! I'm not calling it a freebee! You lot are calling it a freebee! I pay my council tax. My council tax payed for the liberty. It's not rocket science!

"A freebie if you will" - just pointing out that it's not your stadium to claim, simple.

The liberty is no more mine to claim than legoland is yours to claim. However, as I have pointed out, as a Swansea council tax payer my contributions helped pay for it. The fairy godmother didn't build it!

The liberty is no more mine to claim than legoland is yours to claim. However, as I have pointed out, as a Swansea council tax payer my contributions helped pay for it. The fairy godmother didn't build it!

helped pay for it what an absolute stain you are.

your council tax is prob more used to pay for all the bums in swansea to get their council tax benefit, than put towards funding the liberty.

the vast majority if not all would have come from government grants etc.

do you look at the liberty and think to yourself "i helped build that!!"

you crack me up mush!

The liberty is no more mine to claim than legoland is yours to claim. However, as I have pointed out, as a Swansea council tax payer my contributions helped pay for it. The fairy godmother didn't build it!

helped pay for it what an absolute stain you are.

your council tax is prob more used to pay for all the bums in swansea to get their council tax benefit, than put towards funding the liberty.

the vast majority if not all would have come from government grants etc.

do you look at the liberty and think to yourself "i helped build that!!"

you crack me up mush!

the vast majority if not all would have come from government grants etc.

Swansea City moved to the £27m Liberty Stadium in 2005 after the council paid most of the money to build it.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south- ... s-14392589

The liberty is no more mine to claim than legoland is yours to claim. However, as I have pointed out, as a Swansea council tax payer my contributions helped pay for it. The fairy godmother didn't build it!

helped pay for it what an absolute stain you are.

your council tax is prob more used to pay for all the bums in swansea to get their council tax benefit, than put towards funding the liberty.

the vast majority if not all would have come from government grants etc.

do you look at the liberty and think to yourself "i helped build that!!"

you crack me up mush!

the vast majority if not all would have come from government grants etc.

Swansea City moved to the £27m Liberty Stadium in 2005 after the council paid most of the money to build it.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south- ... s-14392589

so tell me, how much did you help out by then? i mean the stadium cost what £27million. im sure the council were sat there thinking "i hope magic daps pays his council tax on time, we really need it to help build a £27million stadium"



youve more than likely being paying for them to re-house a pedo than pay towards a stadium.