Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:33 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Europe is just scared they will lose billions that we contribute to them? who will replace our money? France no Italy no Spain no Greece no anyone else mmmm no ! Think we should keep our billions for ourselves.
The money they lose off us would be more than compensated by the money other countries outside of the EU give to us at the moment because we are a gateway to europe.If we come out how does a company like Nissan sell their cars to europe from this country,short answer is they can't and will perhaps shift their production to a country inside the EU.OOPs millions lost by us staight to europe and when you think of the total number of countries building and making their products in this country that would have to shift their production to another european countries you begin to see that investment in our economy is much greater that the money we pay into the EU.
So basically you are saying if we leave Europe all foreign companies in UK will leave as cannot sell their products to Europe?
I have been lucky enough to visit the Nissan plant in Sunderland on a number of occasions and it is without doubt a World Class manufacturing operation with one of the highest productivity rates of any plant in the World. It would be an absolutely HUGE risk to Nissan, never mind the cost, to close that site and move it elsewhere in Europe.
Whilst there is no doubt that one of the big attractions originally for Nissan to build that plant was the guaranteed access to the EU to sell their cars, that is no longer as powerful a case as it once was because over 5 years ago Nissan identified themselves that the European opportunities for them had pretty much bottomed out and they actively sought other international markets for cars made at Sunderland. I know this because I witnessed a Nissan presentation about how they saw the future of Sunderland and since then over 25% of the cars manufactured there are exported to countries like Russia, China, Turkey, India, USA and believe it or not Japan and in total over 100 countries. It is an amazing success story for Nissan, it's workforce at Sunderland, it's suppliers and of course it's worldwide customers.
I know they are extremely proud of what has been achieved at Sunderland and I simply cannot believe they would up sticks after 30 years and start again elsewhere.
In my opinion Nissan Sunderland is a classic example of where we as a nation should be proud of what we can achieve and not simply believe it is only there because of our membership of the EU.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:35 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:37 pm
Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:40 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Europe is just scared they will lose billions that we contribute to them? who will replace our money? France no Italy no Spain no Greece no anyone else mmmm no ! Think we should keep our billions for ourselves.
The money they lose off us would be more than compensated by the money other countries outside of the EU give to us at the moment because we are a gateway to europe.If we come out how does a company like Nissan sell their cars to europe from this country,short answer is they can't and will perhaps shift their production to a country inside the EU.OOPs millions lost by us staight to europe and when you think of the total number of countries building and making their products in this country that would have to shift their production to another european countries you begin to see that investment in our economy is much greater that the money we pay into the EU.
So basically you are saying if we leave Europe all foreign companies in UK will leave as cannot sell their products to Europe?
I have been lucky enough to visit the Nissan plant in Sunderland on a number of occasions and it is without doubt a World Class manufacturing operation with one of the highest productivity rates of any plant in the World. It would be an absolutely HUGE risk to Nissan, never mind the cost, to close that site and move it elsewhere in Europe.
Whilst there is no doubt that one of the big attractions originally for Nissan to build that plant was the guaranteed access to the EU to sell their cars, that is no longer as powerful a case as it once was because over 5 years ago Nissan identified themselves that the European opportunities for them had pretty much bottomed out and they actively sought other international markets for cars made at Sunderland. I know this because I witnessed a Nissan presentation about how they saw the future of Sunderland and since then over 25% of the cars manufactured there are exported to countries like Russia, China, Turkey, India, USA and believe it or not Japan and in total over 100 countries. It is an amazing success story for Nissan, it's workforce at Sunderland, it's suppliers and of course it's worldwide customers.
I know they are extremely proud of what has been achieved at Sunderland and I simply cannot believe they would up sticks after 30 years and start again elsewhere.
In my opinion Nissan Sunderland is a classic example of where we as a nation should be proud of what we can achieve and not simply believe it is only there because of our membership of the EU.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:43 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:01 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Europe is just scared they will lose billions that we contribute to them? who will replace our money? France no Italy no Spain no Greece no anyone else mmmm no ! Think we should keep our billions for ourselves.
The money they lose off us would be more than compensated by the money other countries outside of the EU give to us at the moment because we are a gateway to europe.If we come out how does a company like Nissan sell their cars to europe from this country,short answer is they can't and will perhaps shift their production to a country inside the EU.OOPs millions lost by us staight to europe and when you think of the total number of countries building and making their products in this country that would have to shift their production to another european countries you begin to see that investment in our economy is much greater that the money we pay into the EU.
So basically you are saying if we leave Europe all foreign companies in UK will leave as cannot sell their products to Europe?
I have been lucky enough to visit the Nissan plant in Sunderland on a number of occasions and it is without doubt a World Class manufacturing operation with one of the highest productivity rates of any plant in the World. It would be an absolutely HUGE risk to Nissan, never mind the cost, to close that site and move it elsewhere in Europe.
Whilst there is no doubt that one of the big attractions originally for Nissan to build that plant was the guaranteed access to the EU to sell their cars, that is no longer as powerful a case as it once was because over 5 years ago Nissan identified themselves that the European opportunities for them had pretty much bottomed out and they actively sought other international markets for cars made at Sunderland. I know this because I witnessed a Nissan presentation about how they saw the future of Sunderland and since then over 25% of the cars manufactured there are exported to countries like Russia, China, Turkey, India, USA and believe it or not Japan and in total over 100 countries. It is an amazing success story for Nissan, it's workforce at Sunderland, it's suppliers and of course it's worldwide customers.
I know they are extremely proud of what has been achieved at Sunderland and I simply cannot believe they would up sticks after 30 years and start again elsewhere.
In my opinion Nissan Sunderland is a classic example of where we as a nation should be proud of what we can achieve and not simply believe it is only there because of our membership of the EU.
Well you may not be up to date they already moving production lines of big sellers to they eu plant. And replacing the Sunderland line with the little heard and low selling Infiniti brand. Already job cuts on the way. The Sunderland plant is easy to replicate elsewhere as it's not a British thing that makes it good. But a well run japanese company that uses kaizen as they tool. They now use Sunderland also as they eletric power plant we all know that's going no where. If you have contacts there get in touch with them and tell me that im wrong??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:06 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:10 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:15 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:55 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:56 pm
pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
It's just he and the other person think the world revolves around Europe and if we are not in it we are doomed to 3rd world status economically!
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:00 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
It's just he and the other person think the world revolves around Europe and if we are not in it we are doomed to 3rd world status economically!
I know and for me it's all about "Project Fear" and the brainwashing that it aims at. Only a fool would think that if we were to leave the EU there wouldn't be a negative effect, but we are currently the worlds 5th largest economy and even if the effect of Brexit is George Osbourne worst prediction on GDP we would still very likely be the worlds 5th largest economy.
I think the negative effects of leaving the EU are a price worth paying to free us from that nutcase organisation and I truely believe that not only will we recover but we will be stronger with the EU shackles removed.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:01 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:05 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:06 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
And yet none of you know what's going to happen when we leave. So what will happen to the pound?? What will happen with jobs.?? What will happen with immigration?? Over a year 5 years and 10 years?
You can't answer I've already asked. It nuts you want to vote in the biggest change when you don't know what's going to happen. Could you imagine a general election when a party would say vote for us we don't know what we going to do when we get there but we see when it happens.
Crazy exiters. That have been scared to death uk gonna be a 3rd world country if we stay in the eu.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:17 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
And yet none of you know what's going to happen when we leave. So what will happen to the pound?? What will happen with jobs.?? What will happen with immigration?? Over a year 5 years and 10 years?
You can't answer I've already asked. It nuts you want to vote in the biggest change when you don't know what's going to happen. Could you imagine a general election when a party would say vote for us we don't know what we going to do when we get there but we see when it happens.
Crazy exiters. That have been scared to death uk gonna be a 3rd world country if we stay in the eu.
stay in argument is all about might or possibly or maybe in truth they don't know either ? Just scare tactics as you put it! Or do you know for certain thousands of jobs will go or we will have financial meltdown?
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:20 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:23 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
And yet none of you know what's going to happen when we leave. So what will happen to the pound?? What will happen with jobs.?? What will happen with immigration?? Over a year 5 years and 10 years?
You can't answer I've already asked. It nuts you want to vote in the biggest change when you don't know what's going to happen. Could you imagine a general election when a party would say vote for us we don't know what we going to do when we get there but we see when it happens.
Crazy exiters. That have been scared to death uk gonna be a 3rd world country if we stay in the eu.
stay in argument is all about might or possibly or maybe in truth they don't know either ? Just scare tactics as you put it! Or do you know for certain thousands of jobs will go or we will have financial meltdown?
When we stay in things won't change we just carry on growing as already mentioned by castel a leave voter how well forge in companies are currently doing in the uk. It's laughable he says we doing so well but wants to leave and can't answer what will improve. ??
Lack of substance. If I was a leaver I answer it with what I think would happen. So why can't you lot??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:23 pm
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:26 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:46 pm
markeMark wrote:You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:50 pm
markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:01 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
I do realise that. And haven't we progressed and done well through it.
Do you agree if we leave no one knows what will happen??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:10 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
So staying in Europe is only way UK can survive in the economic world ? Well you had better hope we vote in or the UK is doomed to lose millions of jobs and be turned into 3rd world country?
I have no doubt we vote in even with about 40% of voters not turning out (all of whom are happy in) because the country general not stupid enough to vote for something that the campaigners don't even know what they can do if we leave. I'm shocked as possibly 25% of the nation actually considering voting leave.
You didn't answer my point? About losing millions of jobs etc.
I did answer. You asked if we leave would we lose jobs. We won't leave that strikes out all the other question.
Pretty simple really. Lol.
So because you say we will stay in you don't need to answer the point? Make it simple if we leave do you think we will lose millions of jobs and all foreign companies will abandon UK?
This guy thinks JCB is a foreign company Brainwashed by "Project Fear" I think Pembroke.
And yet none of you know what's going to happen when we leave. So what will happen to the pound?? What will happen with jobs.?? What will happen with immigration?? Over a year 5 years and 10 years?
You can't answer I've already asked. It nuts you want to vote in the biggest change when you don't know what's going to happen. Could you imagine a general election when a party would say vote for us we don't know what we going to do when we get there but we see when it happens.
Crazy exiters. That have been scared to death uk gonna be a 3rd world country if we stay in the eu.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:14 pm
wez1927 wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??
Bullshit jcb and cat said they are staying also Nissan came out and said they would be staying ,the euro is very weak and will get weaker if we leave due to Germany not being able to pay for everyone else in the euro zone you make some crap up
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:18 pm
bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
I do realise that. And haven't we progressed and done well through it.
Do you agree if we leave no one knows what will happen??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:22 pm
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:23 pm
markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
I do realise that. And haven't we progressed and done well through it.
Do you agree if we leave no one knows what will happen??
Yes I agree, but nobody knows what the future holds either way. I don't think many saw the Euro running into problems and countries going bankrupt. What I do know is that before we joined, getting on the housing ladder was not difficult, and you could have a choice of jobs. I know that to be true, it happened to me and I was'nt a wealthy or over educated person. There is no way I would own my own house if I was a youngster now, and I would probably struggle to get a decent job. I don't know what will happen if we leave, but I can remember what it was like before we joined.
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:26 pm
pembroke allan wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:markeMark wrote:bluebird-77 wrote:I think one thing that both sides agree on. Is that if we leave our future uncertain. And when both sides agree on one thing that is so negative and dangerous. Then voting to stay is a no brainer.
I was all for leave until every road led to uncertainly. I want to vote for someone with confidence control and a plan to put forward. Not a suck and see attitude. They don't even know if I Immigration will change if we leave. And this is they biggest selling point. You couldn't write it. Bunch of clueless cowboys.
You do realise that we have only been part of this organisation for a realtively short time, and a lot of us were doing perfectly well when we were'nt in the EU or Common Market as it was then.
I do realise that. And haven't we progressed and done well through it.
Do you agree if we leave no one knows what will happen??
Do you agree that the stay in brigade don't know for fact what will happen if we leave??
Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:28 pm
markeMark wrote:I agree with everything CastleBlue said above. In my previous post I said how I was able to get on the housing ladder at a young age as well as have a choice of jobs. I'm not blaming everything on the EU, but it certainly has'nt helped the situation with the number of people pouring into this country. Not enough houses around now, so prices almost make it impossible for today's younger generation to become homeowners. Obviously not enough jobs around any more, and all that goes with it, traffic congestion, long waits at hospitals, difficult to get your child into the school you want. Seems a neverending list, and I don't recall any of this happening when we were just little old UK, and on our own.