' POLL ' How would you vote on eu today?

I agree with everything CastleBlue said above. In my previous post I said how I was able to get on the housing ladder at a young age as well as have a choice of jobs. I'm not blaming everything on the EU, but it certainly has'nt helped the situation with the number of people pouring into this country. Not enough houses around now, so prices almost make it impossible for today's younger generation to become homeowners. Obviously not enough jobs around any more, and all that goes with it, traffic congestion, long waits at hospitals, difficult to get your child into the school you want. Seems a neverending list, and I don't recall any of this happening when we were just little old UK, and on our own.

So is the USA blaming the EU for it's exact same problems ?? Lol. Beyond belief.

I would'nt go as far as saying the exact same problems. My sister-in-law owns a home there with a fair bit of ground and it's own swimming pool. There is no way she could afford that in this country. I am able to visit several times a year, and our shopping bills are far cheaper than here. So is petrol and cars and virtually everything else. I am not saying all is perfect, you can put forward any point of view to suit your own agenda, and neither of us know for a fact what will happen if and when a country drops out of the EU.

I agree with everything CastleBlue said above. In my previous post I said how I was able to get on the housing ladder at a young age as well as have a choice of jobs. I'm not blaming everything on the EU, but it certainly has'nt helped the situation with the number of people pouring into this country. Not enough houses around now, so prices almost make it impossible for today's younger generation to become homeowners. Obviously not enough jobs around any more, and all that goes with it, traffic congestion, long waits at hospitals, difficult to get your child into the school you want. Seems a neverending list, and I don't recall any of this happening when we were just little old UK, and on our own.

So is the USA blaming the EU for it's exact same problems ?? Lol. Beyond belief.

I would'nt go as far as saying the exact same problems. My sister-in-law owns a home there with a fair bit of ground and it's own swimming pool. There is no way she could afford that in this country. I am able to visit several times a year, and our shopping bills are far cheaper than here. So is petrol and cars and virtually everything else. I am not saying all is perfect, you can put forward any point of view to suit your own agenda, and neither of us know for a fact what will happen if and when a country drops out of the EU.

so one person in usa has nice house that happens to be you sister in law lmao. so you think the average American lives like this?? you points get worse and worse and worse

Nissan and Honda are just 2 that would up sticks and leave as soon as they can. Also add the American company CAT and jcb. And then Many more to follow. And then an increase in price for us Brits on the outside alongside a weaker pound. Double price hike big job losses ooh wonder what follows next. Shall I continue??

Bullshit jcb and cat said they are staying also Nissan came out and said they would be staying ,the euro is very weak and will get weaker if we leave due to Germany not being able to pay for everyone else in the euro zone you make some crap up

Game set and match Wez. Boooooooooom

that's that then. the baby has been put to bed. after grove being pulled apart I need not say anyone. I could hear each nail be put into the coffin.

I agree with everything CastleBlue said above. In my previous post I said how I was able to get on the housing ladder at a young age as well as have a choice of jobs. I'm not blaming everything on the EU, but it certainly has'nt helped the situation with the number of people pouring into this country. Not enough houses around now, so prices almost make it impossible for today's younger generation to become homeowners. Obviously not enough jobs around any more, and all that goes with it, traffic congestion, long waits at hospitals, difficult to get your child into the school you want. Seems a neverending list, and I don't recall any of this happening when we were just little old UK, and on our own.

So is the USA blaming the EU for it's exact same problems ?? Lol. Beyond belief.

I would'nt go as far as saying the exact same problems. My sister-in-law owns a home there with a fair bit of ground and it's own swimming pool. There is no way she could afford that in this country. I am able to visit several times a year, and our shopping bills are far cheaper than here. So is petrol and cars and virtually everything else. I am not saying all is perfect, you can put forward any point of view to suit your own agenda, and neither of us know for a fact what will happen if and when a country drops out of the EU.

so one person in usa has nice house that happens to be you sister in law lmao. so you think the average American lives like this?? you points get worse and worse and worse

You are missing the point. My relative would get a very basic property in the UK for the amount of money at her disposal. You obviously don't read very well or I have'nt explained myself properly. Don't recall saying only one person in the USA has a nice house, but possibly I have dementia and said that and then promptly forgot. Or possibly you can't read.

I agree with everything CastleBlue said above. In my previous post I said how I was able to get on the housing ladder at a young age as well as have a choice of jobs. I'm not blaming everything on the EU, but it certainly has'nt helped the situation with the number of people pouring into this country. Not enough houses around now, so prices almost make it impossible for today's younger generation to become homeowners. Obviously not enough jobs around any more, and all that goes with it, traffic congestion, long waits at hospitals, difficult to get your child into the school you want. Seems a neverending list, and I don't recall any of this happening when we were just little old UK, and on our own.

So is the USA blaming the EU for it's exact same problems ?? Lol. Beyond belief.

I would'nt go as far as saying the exact same problems. My sister-in-law owns a home there with a fair bit of ground and it's own swimming pool. There is no way she could afford that in this country. I am able to visit several times a year, and our shopping bills are far cheaper than here. So is petrol and cars and virtually everything else. I am not saying all is perfect, you can put forward any point of view to suit your own agenda, and neither of us know for a fact what will happen if and when a country drops out of the EU.

so one person in usa has nice house that happens to be you sister in law lmao. so you think the average American lives like this?? you points get worse and worse and worse

You are missing the point. My relative would get a very basic property in the UK for the amount of money at her disposal. You obviously don't read very well or I have'nt explained myself properly. Don't recall saying only one person in the USA has a nice house, but possibly I have dementia and said that and then promptly forgot. Or possibly you can't read.

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3 bedroom home fair bit of land what a bargain they houses are jesus. really this is what you come up with now. lol

a house in an average usa city with no swimming pool and only 3 bedrooms
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a house in an average usa city with no swimming pool and only 3 bedrooms
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It's a 4 bedroomed property in Bradenton. I have a 4 bedroomed house in S Wales without a swimming pool and my home would cost around £30,000 more than hers.

a house in an average usa city with no swimming pool and only 3 bedrooms
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-pro ... 74998.html

It's a 4 bedroomed property in Bradenton. I have a 4 bedroomed house in S Wales without a swimming pool and my home would cost around £30,000 more than hers.

your point is flawed, and some what silly. but you are voting to leave so probably makes sense to you.

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anyone filled this out?? takes a few mins I came out as cosmopolitan

a house in an average usa city with no swimming pool and only 3 bedrooms
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-pro ... 74998.html

It's a 4 bedroomed property in Bradenton. I have a 4 bedroomed house in S Wales without a swimming pool and my home would cost around £30,000 more than hers.

then you living in a world most can only dream of.

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at the prices of a 4 bedroom house over there I doubt the 30k make much difference does it. clearly you very wealthy, so the jobs that will be lost and the economic loss wont really effect the elite like you. now I understand you views better thanks. the wealthy elite wont get effected either way

a house in an average usa city with no swimming pool and only 3 bedrooms
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-pro ... 74998.html

It's a 4 bedroomed property in Bradenton. I have a 4 bedroomed house in S Wales without a swimming pool and my home would cost around £30,000 more than hers.

your point is flawed, and some what silly. but you are voting to leave so probably makes sense to you.

So anyone voting to leave is somewhat silly. While I think it unlikely that we will leave the EU, I also think the vote will be a lot closer than you may think. I won't be alone in being silly, I am sure that there will be millions of other people as well as me. I certainly don't trust anything Cameron says regarding this. After all, if everything is going to be as bad as he says, this is a man who is prepared to risk the future of his country for the benefit of himself and his party. If he felt that it would be catastrophic to leave the EU, why did he offer up the referendum in the first place. He could have offered his resignation in protest at the pressure from his backbenchers, and at least not be held responsible in any way in the unlikely event of us voting out.

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at the prices of a 4 bedroom house over there I doubt the 30k make much difference does it. clearly you very wealthy, so the jobs that will be lost and the economic loss wont really effect the elite like you. now I understand you views better thanks. the wealthy elite wont get effected either way

You might want to check out some other sites. She paid (sterling equivalent) £175,000, and that was just four years back. There are numerous lovely properties out there right now for less than $400,000. If you want, you can actually see her property first hand, she rents it out when not using it, an ideal spot backing onto a lake just a short drive from the Gulf Coast. I am not spinning you a yarn here, this is 100% the truth, although I can't help feeling this is going a little off track.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property/property-53156878.html

at the prices of a 4 bedroom house over there I doubt the 30k make much difference does it. clearly you very wealthy, so the jobs that will be lost and the economic loss wont really effect the elite like you. now I understand you views better thanks. the wealthy elite wont get effected either way

You might want to check out some other sites. She paid (sterling equivalent) £175,000, and that was just four years back. There are numerous lovely properties out there right now for less than $400,000. If you want, you can actually see her property first hand, she rents it out when not using it, an ideal spot backing onto a lake just a short drive from the Gulf Coast. I am not spinning you a yarn here, this is 100% the truth, although I can't help feeling this is going a little off track.

I playing with you. but £175k for a second home not many people are lucky enough for that.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property/property-53156878.html

at the prices of a 4 bedroom house over there I doubt the 30k make much difference does it. clearly you very wealthy, so the jobs that will be lost and the economic loss wont really effect the elite like you. now I understand you views better thanks. the wealthy elite wont get effected either way

You might want to check out some other sites. She paid (sterling equivalent) £175,000, and that was just four years back. There are numerous lovely properties out there right now for less than $400,000. If you want, you can actually see her property first hand, she rents it out when not using it, an ideal spot backing onto a lake just a short drive from the Gulf Coast. I am not spinning you a yarn here, this is 100% the truth, although I can't help feeling this is going a little off track.

I playing with you. but £175k for a second home not many people are lucky enough for that.

No, not many of us are lucky enough for that. One thing we actually agree on.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property/property-53156878.html

at the prices of a 4 bedroom house over there I doubt the 30k make much difference does it. clearly you very wealthy, so the jobs that will be lost and the economic loss wont really effect the elite like you. now I understand you views better thanks. the wealthy elite wont get effected either way

You might want to check out some other sites. She paid (sterling equivalent) £175,000, and that was just four years back. There are numerous lovely properties out there right now for less than $400,000. If you want, you can actually see her property first hand, she rents it out when not using it, an ideal spot backing onto a lake just a short drive from the Gulf Coast. I am not spinning you a yarn here, this is 100% the truth, although I can't help feeling this is going a little off track.

I playing with you. but £175k for a second home not many people are lucky enough for that.

No, not many of us are lucky enough for that. One thing we actually agree on.

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I never wanted a referendum on EU membership and only got one because of in fighting in the Tory Party. In principle I think a United States of Europe is not a bad idea as collectively as a continent we would have more clout globally. So originally I would have voted to remain in.

However, I have changed my mind and will vote to leave. The first thing that got me thinking was a post by Nuclearblue in which he compared the EU to Nazi Germany. I thought then (and still do now) that he over egged the situation but it got me for the first time to look at how the EU works.

I was completely stunned to find out that the EU Parliament (which contains MEP's which I voted for) has no legislative powers at ALL!! Apparently all EU laws can only be passed with the consent of the EU Commission who has the final say. This means that there is no accountability and no matter how badly the EU Commission performs us as EU citizens cannot vote out any of the 28 members!

This is a situation not seen since the Magna Carter. Therefore I cannot bring myself to vote for such an undemocratic institution. I strongly believe the EU has too much self interest to ever change and it will take a massive event such as our leaving to bring the EU to its senses as other countries will follow our lead in a domino effect.

I have also been really unimpressed by Dodgy Dave and his project fear. It is something which has severed him well before in the Scottish referendum and the 2015 General Election so naturally he has used the same tactics again. But like Russell Slade found out people finally work you out and his fear project is falling more and more on deaf ears.

As someone on this forum pointed out trade with the EU is not ‘free’ due to our membership as we pay a net £9billion in fees for the privilege to do so! Trade will not end with Europe on our exit nor will Trade with the rest of Europe.
Even if there is a short term hit to our economy (which is far from certain) it will be worth it in order to draw a line in the sand with the EU and hopefully it can begin its well overdue road to reform.

I never wanted a referendum on EU membership and only got one because of in fighting in the Tory Party. In principle I think a United States of Europe is not a bad idea as collectively as a continent we would have more clout globally. So originally I would have voted to remain in.

However, I have changed my mind and will vote to leave. The first thing that got me thinking was a post by Nuclearblue in which he compared the EU to Nazi Germany. I thought then (and still do now) that he over egged the situation but it got me for the first time to look at how the EU works.

I was completely stunned to find out that the EU Parliament (which contains MEP's which I voted for) has no legislative powers at ALL!! Apparently all EU laws can only be passed with the consent of the EU Commission who has the final say. This means that there is no accountability and no matter how badly the EU Commission performs us as EU citizens cannot vote out any of the 28 members!

This is a situation not seen since the Magna Carter. Therefore I cannot bring myself to vote for such an undemocratic institution. I strongly believe the EU has too much self interest to ever change and it will take a massive event such as our leaving to bring the EU to its senses as other countries will follow our lead in a domino effect.

I have also been really unimpressed by Dodgy Dave and his project fear. It is something which has severed him well before in the Scottish referendum and the 2015 General Election so naturally he has used the same tactics again. But like Russell Slade found out people finally work you out and his fear project is falling more and more on deaf ears.

As someone on this forum pointed out trade with the EU is not ‘free’ due to our membership as we pay a net £9billion in fees for the privilege to do so! Trade will not end with Europe on our exit nor will Trade with the rest of Europe.
Even if there is a short term hit to our economy (which is far from certain) it will be worth it in order to draw a line in the sand with the EU and hopefully it can begin its well overdue road to reform.

not often I agree with you but top post the European is undemocratic and isn't in our best interests

I never wanted a referendum on EU membership and only got one because of in fighting in the Tory Party. In principle I think a United States of Europe is not a bad idea as collectively as a continent we would have more clout globally. So originally I would have voted to remain in.

However, I have changed my mind and will vote to leave. The first thing that got me thinking was a post by Nuclearblue in which he compared the EU to Nazi Germany. I thought then (and still do now) that he over egged the situation but it got me for the first time to look at how the EU works.

I was completely stunned to find out that the EU Parliament (which contains MEP's which I voted for) has no legislative powers at ALL!! Apparently all EU laws can only be passed with the consent of the EU Commission who has the final say. This means that there is no accountability and no matter how badly the EU Commission performs us as EU citizens cannot vote out any of the 28 members!

This is a situation not seen since the Magna Carter. Therefore I cannot bring myself to vote for such an undemocratic institution. I strongly believe the EU has too much self interest to ever change and it will take a massive event such as our leaving to bring the EU to its senses as other countries will follow our lead in a domino effect.

I have also been really unimpressed by Dodgy Dave and his project fear. It is something which has severed him well before in the Scottish referendum and the 2015 General Election so naturally he has used the same tactics again. But like Russell Slade found out people finally work you out and his fear project is falling more and more on deaf ears.

As someone on this forum pointed out trade with the EU is not ‘free’ due to our membership as we pay a net £9billion in fees for the privilege to do so! Trade will not end with Europe on our exit nor will Trade with the rest of Europe.
Even if there is a short term hit to our economy (which is far from certain) it will be worth it in order to draw a line in the sand with the EU and hopefully it can begin its well overdue road to reform.

not often I agree with you but top post the European is undemocratic and isn't in our best interests

Exactly as I see it. I hope others can see this as well.

What annoys me is the 'project fear'/'scaremongering' that the remain side are being labelled with.

Nobody can tell what will happen if the UK leaves the EU, but what is almost guaranteed (backed up by most economists, the BoE, IFS etc) is that it will cause an economic shock at least in the short term. The GBP is likely to fall against the EUR/USD, house prices will likely be affected due to the uncertainty, and we'd probably fall back into recession.

Long term I'm sure that once the UK economy has been rebuilt there could be many benefits of being outside the EU (as there as remaining in it), but it's almost guaranteed that at least in the short term we will be affected until the mess is sorted out.

This is not 'project fear' but reality. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave, which is part of the argument for remaining, but you can't call that scare tactics. If somebody could tell me exactly what is going to happen then it would be easier to make a decision, but when the alternative is an unknown situation that in itself is something people should be worrying about.

The more I think about the campaigns the bemused I am by people wanting to vote for leave.

You ask remain what will happen when they win and they can tell you.

Yet you ask leave what will happen when we leave they don't have a clue lol. Where else in the world would anyone vote for a party who doesn't know what's going to happen or what they going to do if they win over a party that know what will happen and know what they going to do.

It's crazy the more I think about it the more I think uk citizens need to be govern more by outside figures because we embarrassing ourselves at the moment.

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A little bit racist ? Trouble with the left if you have different political opinions you have a lower IQ and you're a racist. Good argument.
And a greater power or whatever ? Greece is bust Ireland nearly bust, France going bust, Germany sinking quicker than in 1945. Not to mention the riots in France by the general population because of the state of there country under a far left government, then the riots by imagrants that have taken hold of there country and all this is media blacked out because the remain are terrified it would influence the vote.

The more I think about the campaigns the bemused I am by people wanting to vote for leave.

You ask remain what will happen when they win and they can tell you.

Yet you ask leave what will happen when we leave they don't have a clue lol. Where else in the world would anyone vote for a party who doesn't know what's going to happen or what they going to do if they win over a party that know what will happen and know what they going to do.

It's crazy the more I think about it the more I think uk citizens need to be govern more by outside figures because we embarrassing ourselves at the moment.

We don't know what will happen if we stay either. The EU will certainly get larger in time. The wealthier countries will have to subsidise the poorer ones, and we have already seen the down side of things with Greece and Ireland in recent years. The EU does'nt have it's own money, it's all ours, the tax payers of every country. It seems as if paying tax has been optional in countries like Greece, and so who's money is used to bail them out. Hard not to see this happening again in the future.

Out for me - Europe should be the ones to be scared

What annoys me is the 'project fear'/'scaremongering' that the remain side are being labelled with.

Nobody can tell what will happen if the UK leaves the EU, but what is almost guaranteed (backed up by most economists, the BoE, IFS etc) is that it will cause an economic shock at least in the short term. The GBP is likely to fall against the EUR/USD, house prices will likely be affected due to the uncertainty, and we'd probably fall back into recession.

Long term I'm sure that once the UK economy has been rebuilt there could be many benefits of being outside the EU (as there as remaining in it), but it's almost guaranteed that at least in the short term we will be affected until the mess is sorted out.

This is not 'project fear' but reality. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave, which is part of the argument for remaining, but you can't call that scare tactics. If somebody could tell me exactly what is going to happen then it would be easier to make a decision, but when the alternative is an unknown situation that in itself is something people should be worrying about.

Correct no-one can say for certain what will happen if the UK left the EU but we can look at countries like Switzerland and Norway as possible examples. Last time I checked their currencies were doing fine and their economies are performing much better than 90% of the Eurozone and they were trading with EU and the rest of the world.

I can remember the 2001 General Election when that Tory Toff William Hague stood pathetically on a soapbox and repeatedly told us we had hours to 'save the pound'

Strangely 15 years on and the good old pound is still going This is why the Tories are labelled with project fear because they have cried wolf so many times in the past.

The more I think about the campaigns the bemused I am by people wanting to vote for leave.

You ask remain what will happen when they win and they can tell you.

Yet you ask leave what will happen when we leave they don't have a clue lol. Where else in the world would anyone vote for a party who doesn't know what's going to happen or what they going to do if they win over a party that know what will happen and know what they going to do.

It's crazy the more I think about it the more I think uk citizens need to be govern more by outside figures because we embarrassing ourselves at the moment.

It depends on whether you are happy with the status quo? Not everyone is for a number of reasons and the biggest one for me personally is the EU is undemocratic and run by the EU Commission a body which is appointed but not elected.

How are these people ever going to be accountable? No way can anyone state the EU is being run properly. For decades the accounts have failed its audit. In any other business those responsible would be arrested and face criminal charges.

That is exactly what happened with the MP's expense scandal the worst offenders were either jailed, deselected or voted out by their constituents. Their are times when you have to look beyond your own selfish interests and do what is right.

What annoys me is the 'project fear'/'scaremongering' that the remain side are being labelled with.

Nobody can tell what will happen if the UK leaves the EU, but what is almost guaranteed (backed up by most economists, the BoE, IFS etc) is that it will cause an economic shock at least in the short term. The GBP is likely to fall against the EUR/USD, house prices will likely be affected due to the uncertainty, and we'd probably fall back into recession.

Long term I'm sure that once the UK economy has been rebuilt there could be many benefits of being outside the EU (as there as remaining in it), but it's almost guaranteed that at least in the short term we will be affected until the mess is sorted out.

This is not 'project fear' but reality. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave, which is part of the argument for remaining, but you can't call that scare tactics. If somebody could tell me exactly what is going to happen then it would be easier to make a decision, but when the alternative is an unknown situation that in itself is something people should be worrying about.

Correct no-one can say for certain what will happen if the UK left the EU but we can look at countries like Switzerland and Norway as possible examples. Last time I checked their currencies were doing fine and their economies are performing much better than 90% of the Eurozone and they were trading with EU and the rest of the world.

I can remember the 2001 General Election when that Tory Toff William Hague stood pathetically on a soapbox and repeatedly told us we had hours to 'save the pound'

Strangely 15 years on and the good old pound is still going This is why the Tories are labelled with project fear because they have cried wolf so many times in the past.

Yes, but you don't suddenly become Switzerland or Norway overnight.

As I said, in the long term I'm sure the UK would be fine, but there is no doubting that the pound would take a battering initially, purely because of the huge unknown surrounding us leaving the EU. Things would stabilise, but I wouldn't want to guess how long it might take.

I wouldn't say it was the Tories behind project fear either. A brexit vote would almost certainly pave the way for Boris at no10. Worryingly plenty of people seem to think that would be a good result.