' POLL ' How would you vote on eu today?

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

I don't like Europe it's far from perfect. But I know it's by far the best option on offer.

Hmmmmm

And is has the highest living costs in Europe.

Check out their own upcoming referendum. Barmy.

Switzerland is a tax haven, with a completely different economy to our own. Impossible to compare them, and not a country I'd like to emulate!

So a better bet is to stay in and link up with an economy like Greece or Italy, Spain and Portugal which are also on the brink of collapse

And France to add to that list , only Britain and Germany are not in dire straights

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

What an idiot you are, do you honestly think we would get funding like we do from Westminster if we were just in Europe

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Wesley trying reading it again ?? Then come back and call me an idiot. But read it properly this time. Instead of through you rose tinted glasses.

Oh and when you read it properly I expect an apology.

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

Your opinion states 'all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future'
You are entitled to your opinion but please do not speak for me and thousands of others because obviously not ALL Welsh people who care will be voting to stay in.

I respect your opinion and wanting to stay in the EU, I do not appreciate being labelled an uncaring parent because i will be voting to leave.

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

Your opinion states 'all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future'
You are entitled to your opinion but please do not speak for me and thousands of others because obviously not ALL Welsh people who care will be voting to stay in.

I respect your opinion and wanting to stay in the EU, I do not appreciate being labelled an uncaring parent because i will be voting to leave.

I never stated it as fact. It's my opinion and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But in my "opinion" you selling out for your kids. Doesn't mean you uncaring. Just you care more in my "opinion" on what ifs than a secure future.

See how I've helped you out there so you don't have another angry surge of blood pressure. I put my opinion in "" so you don't think I'm stating fact.

No problem you welcome. Xxx

Oh dear

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I'm not a lefty by the way nor do I love the eu, but I'm not a tabloid reading xenophobe either.

Neither am I. There's a plethora of reasons to leave the EU and immigrations is not one of them. In fact I have already told people in this thread to stop banging on about immigration because it's unlikely to change whether we stay in or out of the EU. I'm voting to leave because I believe that this country will be better off out.

Oh dear

Not going to acknowledge you f**k up then wez??just carry on blindly is it??

Hmmmmm

And is has the highest living costs in Europe.

Check out their own upcoming referendum. Barmy.

Switzerland is a tax haven, with a completely different economy to our own. Impossible to compare them, and not a country I'd like to emulate!

So a better bet is to stay in and link up with an economy like Greece or Italy, Spain and Portugal which are also on the brink of collapse

And France to add to that list , only Britain and Germany are not in dire straights

Am I right in understanding that Germany is beginning to struggle under the weight of there open border policy ?

Hmmmmm

And is has the highest living costs in Europe.

Check out their own upcoming referendum. Barmy.

Switzerland is a tax haven, with a completely different economy to our own. Impossible to compare them, and not a country I'd like to emulate!

So a better bet is to stay in and link up with an economy like Greece or Italy, Spain and Portugal which are also on the brink of collapse

And France to add to that list , only Britain and Germany are not in dire straights

Am I right in understanding that Germany is beginning to struggle under the weight of there open border policy ?

Was reported a little while ago that cannot sustain such a policy for long as services overrun like local housing! Apparently they were moving out people to make room for migrants?

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

Your opinion states 'all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future'
You are entitled to your opinion but please do not speak for me and thousands of others because obviously not ALL Welsh people who care will be voting to stay in.

I respect your opinion and wanting to stay in the EU, I do not appreciate being labelled an uncaring parent because i will be voting to leave.

I never stated it as fact. It's my opinion and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But in my "opinion" you selling out for your kids. Doesn't mean you uncaring. Just you care more in my "opinion" on what ifs than a secure future.

See how I've helped you out there so you don't have another angry surge of blood pressure. I put my opinion in "" so you don't think I'm stating fact.

No problem you welcome. Xxx

And to help you BB-77 Bluevanman did-not state your opinion was 'fact' he reasonably asked "on what facts do you base your opinion?" which is completely different.

Of course you can have an opinion based completely on zero facts but that opinion obviously has less credibility. So rather than playing the 'belittling card' (again) how about explaining on which FACTS you base your opinion or simply admit its a gut feeling with nothing to back it up.

Hmmmmm

And is has the highest living costs in Europe.

Check out their own upcoming referendum. Barmy.

Switzerland is a tax haven, with a completely different economy to our own. Impossible to compare them, and not a country I'd like to emulate!

So a better bet is to stay in and link up with an economy like Greece or Italy, Spain and Portugal which are also on the brink of collapse

And France to add to that list , only Britain and Germany are not in dire straights

Am I right in understanding that Germany is beginning to struggle under the weight of there open border policy ?

No, Germany in the long term will benefit hugely from Syrian migration economically, they will suffer hugely culturally though. Germany has a very low birth rate, they badly needed a young unskilled workforce to come and fill the gaps of their ever growing economy, it's why they were keen to welcome these people. Sadly this will come at a price, Germany will be a semi Islamic republic in 50 years time.

Really thick question but are other countries who are currently in the eu also voting out/in (their own referendum?) I doubt it as some countries will gain a massive benefit from forming part of the eu but I was curious that's all. From what I've read I hi I I'm out!

Even though I will be voting out, I have believed that the most likely outcome will be that the remain camp will come out on top. Now I am not so sure. The latest polls put the leave campaign ahead by 3 and 4 points. The poll on this forum obviously has the remain way behind, and I would estimate approx two thirds of my friends and family will be voting out. I was on a mini bus trip on Sunday with 9 other people from all walks of life, but all ex servicemen. Every single person on the bus is planning to vote out, and I am no longer convinced that it is a cert that the remain campaign will win this vote. I think it may a lot closer than I first thought, although the bookies are not usually far wrong in a two horse race.

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

But you have effectively said that it is the opinion of anyone who cares about the future of Wales and his children, so by implication that anyone who doesn't share your opinion doesn't care about Wales or his children. Are you surprised that people are having a go?

I would rather wales be independent but in Europe. Rather than be part of the uk and out of Europe.

Though my preference is and what all welsh people who care about wales and they children's future is wales in uk in Europe.

Well I care about Wales and my childrens future but i am voting out 100%. You are entitled to your opinion but who are you too make such a BOLD statement. Please enlighten me, on what facts are you basing your above comments

It is because i care about my childrens future that i want to leave, just like thousands of other patriotic Welsh parents, so i guess this makes your above quote total BOLLOCKS.

Now now mr bigot that's just my opinion. Which you have just expressed yours. although differnt from mine you are entitled to it. And respect I won't be however stopping to the level of profanities.

But you have effectively said that it is the opinion of anyone who cares about the future of Wales and his children, so by implication that anyone who doesn't share your opinion doesn't care about Wales or his children. Are you surprised that people are having a go?

I didn't even realise people were having a go lol. I'm way to thick skinned for my own good I think.

I belive that anyone who cares about they children should vote remain. It's they future you voting on.

as someone entering the jobs market after a long life of education, if i was voting purely for my own selfish reasons i would vote to stay in. many firms will reassess how many they hire and consider relocating.

the truth is we don't know what will happen to the economy in the short to medium term. however, for the country as a whole, and taking a long term view, its clear to me that it is vital we leave the EU and take back control of key policy areas like immigration, so we can prevent masses of unskilled unskilled europeans coming. it doesnt make sense to have an NHS or social housing when people who pay nothing in can jump the queue - its just common sense.

countries in eastern europe, france, and germany do very well out of the EU. we don't.

as someone entering the jobs market after a long life of education, if i was voting purely for my own selfish reasons i would vote to stay in. many firms will reassess how many they hire and consider relocating.

the truth is we don't know what will happen to the economy in the short to medium term. however, for the country as a whole, and taking a long term view, its clear to me that it is vital we leave the EU and take back control of key policy areas like immigration, so we can prevent masses of unskilled unskilled europeans coming. it doesnt make sense to have an NHS or social housing when people who pay nothing in can jump the queue - its just common sense.

countries in eastern europe, france, and germany do very well out of the EU. we don't.

Lol. Immigration again. My friend immigration won't change. If we want to trade with Europe which we will we still have to abide by the laws. If anything leaving the eu will cause more immigration especially illegal immigration.
If that's you some reason for voting then be make worse you reason.

as someone entering the jobs market after a long life of education, if i was voting purely for my own selfish reasons i would vote to stay in. many firms will reassess how many they hire and consider relocating.

the truth is we don't know what will happen to the economy in the short to medium term. however, for the country as a whole, and taking a long term view, its clear to me that it is vital we leave the EU and take back control of key policy areas like immigration, so we can prevent masses of unskilled unskilled europeans coming. it doesnt make sense to have an NHS or social housing when people who pay nothing in can jump the queue - its just common sense.

countries in eastern europe, france, and germany do very well out of the EU. we don't.

Lol. Immigration again. My friend immigration won't change. If we want to trade with Europe which we will we still have to abide by the laws. If anything leaving the eu will cause more immigration especially illegal immigration.
If that's you some reason for voting then be make worse you reason.

If we leave, we probably won't be the only ones. The EU will probably change completely over the next decade if we actually get out. Immigration was not a mega problem here before we joined. The fact is that nobody knows what will happen if we leave, and nobody knows what will happen over the next few years if we stay. Everyone is guessing, but I'm certainly not going to take any notice of a prime minister who was prepared to risk the future of his country for the benfit of himself and his party. Why offer the referendum if voting out is the disaster he says. if getting out is going to destroy the UK, he should offered his resignation, not a referendum.

Europe is on the decline

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Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

I can think for myself and I'm out

Out out

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as someone entering the jobs market after a long life of education, if i was voting purely for my own selfish reasons i would vote to stay in. many firms will reassess how many they hire and consider relocating.

the truth is we don't know what will happen to the economy in the short to medium term. however, for the country as a whole, and taking a long term view, its clear to me that it is vital we leave the EU and take back control of key policy areas like immigration, so we can prevent masses of unskilled unskilled europeans coming. it doesnt make sense to have an NHS or social housing when people who pay nothing in can jump the queue - its just common sense.

countries in eastern europe, france, and germany do very well out of the EU. we don't.

Lol. Immigration again. My friend immigration won't change. If we want to trade with Europe which we will we still have to abide by the laws. If anything leaving the eu will cause more immigration especially illegal immigration.
If that's you some reason for voting then be make worse you reason.

what about the free trade deal with canada?

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ceta/

canada does not have an open door immigration policy.

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

You clearly haven't read all my posts then. The reason I posted that because much like you he read a post of mind incorrectly or didn't finish or saw what he wanted to see. But called me an idiot. Which I have no problem with if correct. But the point I made he in total agreement with me even earlier in the thread I pointed the very fact out to him.

But he not even man enough to own up and say sorry. And the reason I believe that is he a robot just spams with silly posters he spent all day searching for.

And I know I'm a pillock now do t need to look back on this to see that

And I know remain will win no ou t in my mind. :):)