' POLL ' How would you vote on eu today?

Brexit odds are now 7-4 (from 5-2) from bookmaker Coral with just 17 days to go until the referendum.

Remain is still odds-on, but having been as short as 1-7 just over a week ago, it is now 2-5, with just 10 per cent of bets struck in the last 48 hours in favour of staying.

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

You clearly haven't read all my posts then. The reason I posted that because much like you he read a post of mind incorrectly or didn't finish or saw what he wanted to see. But called me an idiot. Which I have no problem with if correct. But the point I made he in total agreement with me even earlier in the thread I pointed the very fact out to him.

But he not even man enough to own up and say sorry. And the reason I believe that is he a robot just spams with silly posters he spent all day searching for.

And I know I'm a pillock now do t need to look back on this to see that

And I know remain will win no ou t in my mind. :):)

I've got nothing to day sorry to you for ! I don't agree with your views and to say I'm a robot proves that you have lost the debate you don't believe in Britain or the British people

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Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

It's nothing personal is everything leave have to offer is stupid thick or irrelevant. And that is a FACT.

Lol.

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

It's nothing personal is everything leave have to offer is stupid thick or irrelevant. And that is a FACT.

Lol.

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Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

It's nothing personal is everything leave have to offer is stupid thick or irrelevant. And that is a FACT.

Lol.

How do you know that is a fact. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave, that's a fact.

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

It's nothing personal is everything leave have to offer is stupid thick or irrelevant. And that is a FACT.

Lol.

How do you know that is a fact. Nobody knows what will happen if we leave, that's a fact.

I know

Europe is on the decline

Here he is the guy that can't think for himself. Like a robot.

Why is every posters opinion that does not agree with yours being labelled as thick, stupid and irrelavant? Why is ever opinon no matter how relevant being dismissised as being like a robot? What makes your opinion so totally right, why are you so super intelligent and all knowing? I am starting to wonder if you even really care or if you are just some sad tw*t that sits on his keyboard all day with nothing better to do than wind people up.

Mark my words, if we do remain you will look back on this thread in the not to distant future and realise what an absolute pillock you are

You clearly haven't read all my posts then. The reason I posted that because much like you he read a post of mind incorrectly or didn't finish or saw what he wanted to see. But called me an idiot. Which I have no problem with if correct. But the point I made he in total agreement with me even earlier in the thread I pointed the very fact out to him.

But he not even man enough to own up and say sorry. And the reason I believe that is he a robot just spams with silly posters he spent all day searching for.

And I know I'm a pillock now do t need to look back on this to see that

And I know remain will win no ou t in my mind. :):)

I've got nothing to day sorry to you for ! I don't agree with your views and to say I'm a robot proves that you have lost the debate you don't believe in Britain or the British people

You called me an idiot even though I was in agreement to you. Which shows you didn't read the post. Happy for you to call me an idiot if you didn't agree with my statement. But you picked a bit here a bit there and got it wrong. It was complicated but it's ok some people can get confused easily.

The fact you can't admit you mistake and say sorry. Well I pity you. You must be very bitter and twisted. Peace with you my troubled brother.

Hmmmmm mm

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Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

I think you need to get some perspective. It is true the EU has invested in projects in Wales from revitalising valley town centres to the excellent Swansea Maritime Museum.

However, being generous and including some funding which is spread out over several years the total investment in Wales is around £300m. Now that sounds like a lot of money (which it is) but is completely dwarfed by the £16.3 BILLION spent by the Welsh Assembly with money it receives from WESTMINSTER!

Nobody knows what will happen to the savings made from exiting the EU but the most pessimistic calculations are the UK would save £9 billion pa. On the balance of probabilities it is hard to see how the UK Government could-not cover the lost £300m of EU investment from that especially as we would-not be paying towards the EU gravy train where millions are lost every year in EU expenses and running costs without any accountability.

Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

I think you need to get some perspective. It is true the EU has invested in projects in Wales from revitalising valley town centres to the excellent Swansea Maritime Museum.

However, being generous and including some funding which is spread out over several years the total investment in Wales is around £300m. Now that sounds like a lot of money (which it is) but is completely dwarfed by the £16.3 BILLION spent by the Welsh Assembly with money it receives from WESTMINSTER!

Nobody knows what will happen to the savings made from exiting the EU but the most pessimistic calculations are the UK would save £9 billion pa. On the balance of probabilities it is hard to see how the UK Government could-not cover the lost £300m of EU investment from that especially as we would-not be paying towards the EU gravy train where millions are lost every year in EU expenses and running costs without any accountability.

I agreee, but the point is I'm trying to give this thread a bit of perspective/balance, as at the moment it's mainly false statistics and fanatical tabloid headlines. I'm not an EU lover, but it frustrates me that people are 100% out without knowing the ramifications, and basing their opinion largely on stories they've been fed from pre-brexit tabloids.

RE the £9bn saving - it's impossible to look at it on purely cash terms. Without looking at the overall benefit/GDP impact/tax receipts etc.

Overall Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU, and although this won't last forever do people really trust Westminster to look after Wales in the same way? Obviously the argument will be there will be more money, but how much of that will be redistributed?

Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

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Wales is small in Britain and is tiny in Europe.

I never thought I would be an out person as a welsh nationalist, but I am.

we are in massive danger of losing skills for our younger generation and capitalism (the free market) has not improved wales, we are the sheep and not the shepherd.

Now we are the sheep wih 100,000s more job seekers - keeping costs and wages low for the tory and labour capitalists to buy while in economic reality, our people buy shite to eat and their towns are dying.

Our roads, education, health service cannot cope and the standards for many are lower in comparison

Immigration has been the final straw to many, but not the only straw.....

Wales is small in Britain and is tiny in Europe.

I never thought I would be an out person as a welsh nationalist, but I am.

we are in massive danger of losing skills for our younger generation and capitalism (the free market) has not improved wales, we are the sheep and not the shepherd.

Now we are the sheep wih 100,000s more job seekers - keeping costs and wages low for the tory and labour capitalists to buy while in economic reality, our people buy shite to eat and their towns are dying.

Our roads, education, health service cannot cope and the standards for many are lower in comparison

Immigration has been the final straw to many, but not the only straw.....

I agree, and while the EU may have given us grants for various projects, I can't see much wealth being created in Wales. I recently visited Pontypridd Town Centre, once a thriving market town which I remember as being very busy back in the 1960's. Now, it seems almost deserted, and even the outdoor market has all but disappeared. They could drop a bomb on the town centre, and that would actually improve it. Money has been spent on the park, but there is little else to attract anyone there as far as I could see. I doubt if this is the only town in Wales that looks like this. The roads are a nightmare, and if you are lucky enough to avoid the traffic jams and pick up a bit of speed, the chances are you will damage your car in one of the numerous craters that are dotted over our roads. The EU may be allocating us some funding, but there is little obvious signs of this, although I have heard that there is a mountain bike track somewhere that would'nt exist without this generous funding.

I completely agree with the points above, and there are plenty of Welsh towns that are in a mess, and need help.

What I don't know is how leaving the EU will solve those issues. Ok, somebody is going to say we'll save £Xbn by leaving the UE, but we don't know what effect there wil be on jobs. There are plenty of European/International manufacturing firms based in South Wales that presumably benefit from us being in the EU.

There is a real risk that some of these would be better off in an EU country, and I can't see why there would be queues of companies wanting to set up base in a newly independent UK.

I completely agree with the points above, and there are plenty of Welsh towns that are in a mess, and need help.

What I don't know is how leaving the EU will solve those issues. Ok, somebody is going to say we'll save £Xbn by leaving the UE, but we don't know what effect there wil be on jobs. There are plenty of European/International manufacturing firms based in South Wales that presumably benefit from us being in the EU.

There is a real risk that some of these would be better off in an EU country, and I can't see why there would be queues of companies wanting to set up base in a newly independent UK.

I doubt if leaving the EU would solve these problems. I used Pontypridd as an example to show that being in the EU is not all a bed of roses, and I know that the problems are not just because we are in the EU. I remember these towns when they were doing well, but we had a coal industry then and the various additional businesses that also thrived because of the money generated by coal etc. I hear all the forecasts from economists and past PM's, but take a look at their recent predictions about our economic growth rate. They are all confident that a certain percentage will be achieved, and then within months downgrade their predictions. Then we are supposed to listen to two ex PM's, one who took us into a war based on incorrect information, and one who played a major part in destroying our banking industry, as well as plundering pension funds. Why should we believe these people?

Wales is small in Britain and is tiny in Europe.

I never thought I would be an out person as a welsh nationalist, but I am.

we are in massive danger of losing skills for our younger generation and capitalism (the free market) has not improved wales, we are the sheep and not the shepherd.

Now we are the sheep wih 100,000s more job seekers - keeping costs and wages low for the tory and labour capitalists to buy while in economic reality, our people buy shite to eat and their towns are dying.

Our roads, education, health service cannot cope and the standards for many are lower in comparison

Immigration has been the final straw to many, but not the only straw.....

Totally agree

Towns aren't dying because of the eu. It's because of out of town retail parks with free parking. Wher town Center council controlled parking charges are sky high. These are british people in charge and they driving us out of our own towns and we going to out of town retail parks rather than support our town centres. We to play for this not the eu. And this isn't a wales thing it's happening all over the country.
Also pubs are closing is this the eu fault or is it bargain prices on alcohol in supermarkets. Pubs can't compete with they prices but they hurt themselves with massively inflated prices through greed. But that's life nothing to do with the eu.

If we vote to leave we have many of the same problems plus a few more I'd imagine. We just be blaming out goverment instead. Everything that leave campaigners aren't solely the eu fault. But our own we choice what to buy where to buy it where to eat where to holiday. It's all our own doing by not supporting british industry. We want cheap stuff we got now we want to blame others.

I'm guilty of all of the above. But I willing to except my part. And I can live with dead town centres as I don't have to pay to park etc etc.

To sum up. Britains problems are caused by British people. We need to accept responsibilty as well.

If this is the scenario after the vote it will obviously trigger another referendum on Scottish independence and also possibly a a referendum in northern Ireland on an united Ireland. NI has the largest percentage of 'remain' of any region. Where would that leave Wales? Stuck with little Englanders until we wake up and take our future into our own hands>

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Interesting reading: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... s-11439615

Obviously he has a vested interest, but if businesses like his are going to suffer as a result then it's bound to have a knock-on effect.

The key part of his message is the uncertainty, and the damage that has on our economy.

If this is the scenario after the vote it will obviously trigger another referendum on Scottish independence and also possibly a a referendum in northern Ireland on an united Ireland. NI has the largest percentage of 'remain' of any region. Where would that leave Wales? Stuck with little Englanders until we wake up and take our future into our own hands>

It would be a very messy situation indeed.

I wonder how many of those campaigning for Brexit were against Scotland leaving the UK. A large proportion I would imagine.

Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

I think you need to get some perspective. It is true the EU has invested in projects in Wales from revitalising valley town centres to the excellent Swansea Maritime Museum.

However, being generous and including some funding which is spread out over several years the total investment in Wales is around £300m. Now that sounds like a lot of money (which it is) but is completely dwarfed by the £16.3 BILLION spent by the Welsh Assembly with money it receives from WESTMINSTER!

Nobody knows what will happen to the savings made from exiting the EU but the most pessimistic calculations are the UK would save £9 billion pa. On the balance of probabilities it is hard to see how the UK Government could-not cover the lost £300m of EU investment from that especially as we would-not be paying towards the EU gravy train where millions are lost every year in EU expenses and running costs without any accountability.

I agreee, but the point is I'm trying to give this thread a bit of perspective/balance, as at the moment it's mainly false statistics and fanatical tabloid headlines. I'm not an EU lover, but it frustrates me that people are 100% out without knowing the ramifications, and basing their opinion largely on stories they've been fed from pre-brexit tabloids.

RE the £9bn saving - it's impossible to look at it on purely cash terms. Without looking at the overall benefit/GDP impact/tax receipts etc.

Overall Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU, and although this won't last forever do people really trust Westminster to look after Wales in the same way? Obviously the argument will be there will be more money, but how much of that will be redistributed?

Let's get one thing straight BOTH SIDES are running poor campaigns not just the Brexit side.

However, your argument can be turned on it's head. If we stay in another European economy could crash and we get sucked in. That would mean even more migration and even more expense on tax credits, housing, health, schools etc. So buy getting out the £9billion saving could be a hell of a lot more.

In any case the EU funding in Wales is really small potato's and is simply not big enough to make any real difference or to make me want to vote in.

If this is the scenario after the vote it will obviously trigger another referendum on Scottish independence and also possibly a a referendum in northern Ireland on an united Ireland. NI has the largest percentage of 'remain' of any region. Where would that leave Wales? Stuck with little Englanders until we wake up and take our future into our own hands>

It would be a very messy situation indeed.

I wonder how many of those campaigning for Brexit were against Scotland leaving the UK. A large proportion I would imagine.

I wasn't and to this day I think Scotland made a huge mistake in not voting to leave the UK. I really hope that Scotland does push for a second referendum if we vote to leave the EU and this time take the right decision.

Where do you get all of this one-sided rubbish from

Don't believe everything you read on these dodgy Facebook pages. The reason they closed down in the UK was not because of the EU, but because our wages were too expensive. Presumably the EU funding ensured that they could stay in Europe rather than outsourcing production to South America or somewhere like that.

Why not look at how much EU money has been spent in Wales in recent years? Hundreds of millions of pounds supporting job creation, apprenticeships, infrastructure in the valleys. How much money would a tory Government in Westminster allocate to struggling valleys towns?

I think you need to get some perspective. It is true the EU has invested in projects in Wales from revitalising valley town centres to the excellent Swansea Maritime Museum.

However, being generous and including some funding which is spread out over several years the total investment in Wales is around £300m. Now that sounds like a lot of money (which it is) but is completely dwarfed by the £16.3 BILLION spent by the Welsh Assembly with money it receives from WESTMINSTER!

Nobody knows what will happen to the savings made from exiting the EU but the most pessimistic calculations are the UK would save £9 billion pa. On the balance of probabilities it is hard to see how the UK Government could-not cover the lost £300m of EU investment from that especially as we would-not be paying towards the EU gravy train where millions are lost every year in EU expenses and running costs without any accountability.

I agreee, but the point is I'm trying to give this thread a bit of perspective/balance, as at the moment it's mainly false statistics and fanatical tabloid headlines. I'm not an EU lover, but it frustrates me that people are 100% out without knowing the ramifications, and basing their opinion largely on stories they've been fed from pre-brexit tabloids.

RE the £9bn saving - it's impossible to look at it on purely cash terms. Without looking at the overall benefit/GDP impact/tax receipts etc.

Overall Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU, and although this won't last forever do people really trust Westminster to look after Wales in the same way? Obviously the argument will be there will be more money, but how much of that will be redistributed?

Let's get one thing straight BOTH SIDES are running poor campaigns not just the Brexit side.

However, your argument can be turned on it's head. If we stay in another European economy could crash and we get sucked in. That would mean even more migration and even more expense on tax credits, housing, health, schools etc. So buy getting out the £9billion saving could be a hell of a lot more.

In any case the EU funding in Wales is really small potato's and is simply not big enough to make any real difference or to make me want to vote in.

I was referring to this thread, not the campaigns as a whole.

I could be wrong, but I didn't think we had to 'bail out' other Eurozone countries if they went bankrupt.

Again, I'm not 100% what the rules are, but it's definitely not easy for someone to come to the UK and start claiming benefits. Schools/healthcare fine, but the majority would be paying tax and spending their money here. Pretty sure most studies show that EU migrants are a net benefit to the UK.

Just breaking on sky news. £59 billion was shift out of the uk economy and placed in other European countries. That was just March. April may will probably be higher. Before people didn't know what would happen with leave will this is a big clue even before we vote £59 billion Stirling has been taken out of the economy.

Serious stuff.

Just breaking on sky news. £59 billion was shift out of the uk economy and placed in other European countries. That was just March. April may will probably be higher. Before people didn't know what would happen with leave will this is a big clue even before we vote £59 billion Stirling has been taken out of the economy.

Serious stuff.

To put this into context, the support provided to British banks by the government during the banking crisis was in excess of £900 billion .

Just breaking on sky news. £59 billion was shift out of the uk economy and placed in other European countries. That was just March. April may will probably be higher. Before people didn't know what would happen with leave will this is a big clue even before we vote £59 billion Stirling has been taken out of the economy.

Serious stuff.

To put this into context, the support provided to British banks by the government during the banking crisis was in excess of £900 billion .

Haha what's that got to do with companies shifting £59 billion pounds in Europe??

Come on mark this is bad news a silly silly comparison. I could say I. Comparison to that 900 billion you could have bough bhs for a £. Absolutly no relevance at all.

This was the first statistically accurate fact so far in whole debate.

Just breaking on sky news. £59 billion was shift out of the uk economy and placed in other European countries. That was just March. April may will probably be higher. Before people didn't know what would happen with leave will this is a big clue even before we vote £59 billion Stirling has been taken out of the economy.

Serious stuff.

To put this into context, the support provided to British banks by the government during the banking crisis was in excess of £900 billion .

Haha what's that got to do with companies shifting £59 billion pounds in Europe??

Come on mark this is bad news a silly silly comparison. I could say I. Comparison to that 900 billion you could have bough bhs for a £. Absolutly no relevance at all.

This was the first statistically accurate fact so far in whole debate.

I see Boris and Gove have asked for a live tv debate with Cameron. Be interesting to see if he accepts as these appear to be the main players in this whole debate. I think it would help a lot of neutrals make up their mind as well.

We can all get 5/2 from the bookies if we select the exit camp to win. We all need to put every last penny we own on the exit winning, then vote out irrespective on our real views. That way, we are guaranteed to double our money and become rich enough to not worry about being any less well off because we have left the EU.

If this is the scenario after the vote it will obviously trigger another referendum on Scottish independence and also possibly a a referendum in northern Ireland on an united Ireland. NI has the largest percentage of 'remain' of any region. Where would that leave Wales? Stuck with little Englanders until we wake up and take our future into our own hands>

It would be a very messy situation indeed.

I wonder how many of those campaigning for Brexit were against Scotland leaving the UK. A large proportion I would imagine.

I wasn't and to this day I think Scotland made a huge mistake in not voting to leave the UK. I really hope that Scotland does push for a second referendum if we vote to leave the EU and this time take the right decision.

Scotland wouldn't survive out of the union they based There whole economic plan on oil being over 200 pound a barrel