Vincent Tan Clearly Has Vision

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer

it was never red or they walk, that's a big myth... and Rangers are still Rangers, regardless if they play as the newco or not. and I would certainly rather go down to league 2 in blue as Cardiff City with our crest, our identity than this.

Well if you knew that Steph why didn't you tell us, because most of us were scared to gamble with the club that we love, yet you had proof and did nothing about it.

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

To carry on the pub analogy, at what point would you draw the line? Would you be happy if the owners changed the name of the pub and put up prices to push out the usual clientele and bring a higher class of corporate consumer? Or are you happy for them to do whatever they need to do to push the new brand forward?

As a simple customer, it wouldn't be down to me, if the customers were that loyal and there had been that many, then perhaps the pub wouldn't have got into that mess.
At the end of the day if the pub was remodeled and the prices put up, market forces would dictate if the business succeeded, you can't blame the business owners or investors for doing what they feel is needed to succeed.
Doubt if the would worry about losing me if the replaced my custom with five young people drinking three quid bottles of alcho pops and two pound shots.

But while it may not be my cup of tea, I would find somewhere else more suited and get on with my life rather than slag off the new pubs new customers, if any blame was to be apportioned, then possibly it would be to the old fickle customers who didn't go the pub often enough in the first place.

It's a bit like moaning that there is no corner shop open near you when you run out of milk, and the only time you used it was to spend the odd quid in when you needed it for convenience.

Thanks for answering in such detail, it's interesting to hear that their maybe a point where it may not be your cup of tea.

I completely agree that slagging off the new customers is not the way to go and wouldn't do it myself. I worry that the new business model is only attracting new customers who will be fickle with their support if things went badly but it is up to the new owners to keep them happy or replace them

I'm not convinced the original post is 'genuine' (what with me being a cynic where certain posters are concerned) but overall it's hard to disagree with the principles of what is written whether we acuall like it or not

Gwyn I think nukes said they dismissed our history not changed it, it is possible to be dismissive

Same thing, how can you dismiss it, It's history, fact, recorded happened, stored, they can give us a future which no one else was looking to do when they stepped in, they can change, modify adjust badges colours etc, but out history and our nickname is in our hands as fans, and they can't make us forget or dismiss anything.
How did all the other badge changes slip through almost unnoticed and unchallenged.

Answer me this, would you buy a pub thousands of pounds in debt, a real shit hole, dying on it's feet and then simply carry on doing what had failed before, or would you look at the potential and see that change was necessary if it was to continue in business.
And for those saying it's more than a business etc. then just look around at the club's who took that approach.

To carry on the pub analogy, at what point would you draw the line? Would you be happy if the owners changed the name of the pub and put up prices to push out the usual clientele and bring a higher class of corporate consumer? Or are you happy for them to do whatever they need to do to push the new brand forward?

As a simple customer, it wouldn't be down to me, if the customers were that loyal and there had been that many, then perhaps the pub wouldn't have got into that mess.
At the end of the day if the pub was remodeled and the prices put up, market forces would dictate if the business succeeded, you can't blame the business owners or investors for doing what they feel is needed to succeed.
Doubt if the would worry about losing me if the replaced my custom with five young people drinking three quid bottles of alcho pops and two pound shots.

But while it may not be my cup of tea, I would find somewhere else more suited and get on with my life rather than slag off the new pubs new customers, if any blame was to be apportioned, then possibly it would be to the old fickle customers who didn't go the pub often enough in the first place.

It's a bit like moaning that there is no corner shop open near you when you run out of milk, and the only time you used it was to spend the odd quid in when you needed it for convenience.

Thanks for answering in such detail, it's interesting to hear that their maybe a point where it may not be your cup of tea.

I completely agree that slagging off the new customers is not the way to go and wouldn't do it myself. I worry that the new business model is only attracting new customers who will be fickle with their support if things went badly but it is up to the new owners to keep them happy or replace them

Nearly every club has fickle fans, arsenal didn't fill highbury before GG brought trophies, united didn't fill old Trafford when they went down a div even with there fan base...

Whether its good history or bad history it was our history and I was proud of it, it should have been cherished and built on not thrown away, f#ck is vision and plans for the Far East a football club is primarily for the community it is in , South Wales not south east Asia.

Proud of bad history?

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer

it was never red or they walk, that's a big myth... and Rangers are still Rangers, regardless if they play as the newco or not. and I would certainly rather go down to league 2 in blue as Cardiff City with our crest, our identity than this.

Well if you knew that Steph why didn't you tell us, because most of us were scared to gamble with the club that we love, yet you had proof and did nothing about it.

its called common sense, gwyn. if u invest such a lot of money into a football club, you wont let it go bust just because u dont get the colour you want. they are businessmen, and no real businessman invest without a return. I said it then, I still say it and I was proven right, as Alan Whitley stated "it was never red or they walk"...

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Dr Who ? Now now Gwyn where did i say Change ? Did i use the word Change ? No i said DISMISS !! which the last time i looked they dont mean the same.
Now where is my sonic screwdriver

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.

same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer

People are very aware of all the factors when it pops up.

I've spoken to alot of people from other clubs all over the country and very very few have been willing to give anything up just for a bit of financial backing and possible success.[/quote]
same here... the unisono reply was "you dont do that to a football club...no matter how successful you are afterwards"[/quote]

if you asked fans you will always get same answer! try asking different question, like liquidation same colours or investment different colours? be more diverse answer [/quote]
it was never red or they walk, that's a big myth... and Rangers are still Rangers, regardless if they play as the newco or not. and I would certainly rather go down to league 2 in blue as Cardiff City with our crest, our identity than this.[/quote]

Well if you knew that Steph why didn't you tell us, because most of us were scared to gamble with the club that we love, yet you had proof and did nothing about it. [/quote]
its called common sense, gwyn. if u invest such a lot of money into a football club, you wont let it go bust just because u dont get the colour you want. they are businessmen, and no real businessman invest without a return. I said it then, I still say it and I was proven right, as Alan Whitley stated "it was never red or they walk"...[/quote]


No Alan Whiteley never said red or dead, but they said themselves in the statement but you must have missed that bit, they said after apologising that they would try and help the club to find new investors (oh yeh, loads of them queuing up NOT!!!!) and they would not continue propping up the club's monthlyb losses.
Now when asked Alan Whiteley said that without new investors stepping in to fill that monthly loss, the club would ar=t best be able to carry on trading for only a few months, I was there and so were others, ask them what the truth is, and what do you read into that statement.

I will bow to your greater experience of dealing with VT, because I have never met him, how did you find him and what did you make of him, do you think he's the type to take a bloody nose , wipe it and carry on with us.
In all truth all and I mean all the people who I know that have met or had dealings with him think the exact opposite, and in their opinion for what it's worth he'd have walked, not the type to take it on the chin so to speak, but if your experiences are different, then fill in the gaps.

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Dr Who ? Now now Gwyn where did i say Change ? Did i use the word Change ? No i said DISMISS !! which the last time i looked they dont mean the same.
Now where is my sonic screwdriver

Dismiss, is even sillier than change, if people are told something often enough, then they will accept that what they have heard is true to a degree.
Dismiss means it's been got rid of, now please explain to me how you can get rid of our history, Glasgow rangers Newco have because they have just started, but Glasgow Rangers Fc have a long and strong history, but they no longer exist, the vast majority of real City fans have shown which route they wish to follow.

Seems to make sense and if we were not a football club it exactly how a struggling business would be acquired and turned around. The problem is we are a football club with a loyal following who can't just sit back and watch our club be taken away from us.

The rebrand is focused on attracting Malaysian interest and is so disrespectful to us. What if we walked into Malaysia took over their capital team, changed the badge, changed the colour and then stuck Wales on their shirts. Id expect any 'customers' of this local business to walk away in protest.

Unfortunately what we see now may be just the tip of the iceberg because if Tan can really get what he wants it will be something like -

A football club called Malaysia FC playing in the Premier league
A football club made up entirely of Malaysian players
A club playing in red with a Malaysian style dragon on their shirts.
A club playing much nearer London for maximum kudos and business potential

The real worrying thing is that that the business plan seems to be so focused on Malaysia that it doesn't really matter what we do because down here as his plan isn't based on our support. He will do what he wants when he wants in the interest of Malaysia.

I hope I'm wrong and Cardiff's identity is retained but the worst case is that a team that used to be Cardiff plays in the premier but us fans end up with nothing

Excellent post exactly my thoughts

I was going to post something slagging off the ones who fantasize over our history and those who think Tan is an idiot... But this post was a bit of an eye opener for me and now I have mixed emotions

Seems to make sense and if we were not a football club it exactly how a struggling business would be acquired and turned around. The problem is we are a football club with a loyal following who can't just sit back and watch our club be taken away from us.

The rebrand is focused on attracting Malaysian interest and is so disrespectful to us. What if we walked into Malaysia took over their capital team, changed the badge, changed the colour and then stuck Wales on their shirts. Id expect any 'customers' of this local business to walk away in protest.

Unfortunately what we see now may be just the tip of the iceberg because if Tan can really get what he wants it will be something like -

A football club called Malaysia FC playing in the Premier league
A football club made up entirely of Malaysian players
A club playing in red with a Malaysian style dragon on their shirts.
A club playing much nearer London for maximum kudos and business potential

The real worrying thing is that that the business plan seems to be so focused on Malaysia that it doesn't really matter what we do because down here as his plan isn't based on our support. He will do what he wants when he wants in the interest of Malaysia.

I hope I'm wrong and Cardiff's identity is retained but the worst case is that a team that used to be Cardiff plays in the premier but us fans end up with nothing

Excellent post exactly my thoughts

I was going to post something slagging off the ones who fantasize over our history and those who think Tan is an idiot... But this post was a bit of an eye opener for me and now I have mixed emotions

How can you let your judgement be affected by this its all pure speculation in reply to the OP.

There's three whole divisions of clubs and even some Premier clubs who would jump at the chance of the investment and potential success we have with the Malaysians. Most have history and badges that they are proud of but would accept a rebranding that give some financial stability and potential success.
I've followed the club since 1966 and in all that time we've been the 'Sleeping Giant of Wales'....perhaps now we have finally got our wake up call.

Nonsense.

When will people realise investment means loans at interest. Lots of clubs can get loans if they wish to, and many do. But for the whole club to be bankrolled on loans? I don't think anyone n their right mind would do that for free let alone rebrand for it.

This is the crux of the whole matter. Chelsea and Man City are the best examples of two clubs
with Mega-Rich owners who are 'bankrolling' them. But to what extent??

Does ANYBODY seriously believe that when Roman Abramovich gets bored with football he will
just up and leave if things have taken a turn for the worse and he cannot find a buyer??? Do we
think he will say "well thats £300m I've spent on Chelsea, good times bad times, but ah well...
on to my next hobby"... WILL HE f**k. He will have protected his investment in one way or
another. When he goes his money will go with him, and if there is no buyer, Chelsea will be
absolutely fucked.

Same here, except Tan is being up front about it.

Would we prefer him to say "when I go the debt goes with me?"

Nope. Given our history over the last ten years I'd like to know exactly where we stand.

THIS is the cost of Premiership Football. Either we embrace it or we walk away. No half measures.
One or two have walked. TLG I'd have a lot more respect for if he'd go and stay gone, but he can't
leave well alone. The new fans, no standing, no swearing, no atmosphere, wanky stewards who
think they are 'Tommy-ten-men' in hi-vis jackets. People chatting, reading programmes during the
game, grasses, kids getting thrown out of grounds and banned for 'standing up' ffs.... this is the cost
of Cardiff City shedding its old reputation.

Rebrand? The shirt and the badge is just cosmetic. The REAL rebrand goes much much deeper

If somebody asked me would I accept the badge and the shirts and the investment quite happily if we
were allowed to get hammered, sing, shout, swear, jump up and down and turn the CCS into a bear-pit
like NP. With no dickhead jobsworth stewards larging it all day... Id say yes please!!! Because THAT is
the Cardiff City we all knew and loved.

But as it is, I've not protested against the rebrand. My reaction mirrors the reaction inside the ground
during the game nowadays. f**k all.

Would I happily go back to the Blue, the badge, the old days and lower league Football?

NOPE. Because Cardiff City fans will still be treated like a pariah wherever we go. The idea of going back
to getting wrecked away from home with thousands of City fans taking over all the pubs is a romantic
one. But its gone forever. Modern Football is what it is.

In truth, the Red, and the badge is nowhere near as depressing as whats happened to the whole experience
of watching City FC. The whole day out now is like a session on Diazepan

I am in the Ninian, block 112 - I swear at every game, and shout dog's abuse at various people on the pitch, usually the poor tw*t who is running our line. I have never had any steward come near me, and by the same token my outbursts have only once been challenged by a bloke near us - he lost that particular argument, and pleased to say my fellow ST holders joined with me to tell him to foxtrot oscar

I try not to do this - there are kids and women nearby, and most of the blokes there (mostly ST) barely shout anything - I often apologise for the language (I notice the fella in front of me has stopped wearing his hearing aids! ). But we are all different, I don't take umbridge at someone who is quiet.

I do think it is crap if someone is on their mobile during a game - that said I have been known to text the missus if we've scored 3 or 4, and as I have a crap mobile and can't see close up very well, this can take a little time

And as we are recently married, she is trying to be interested enough to care

Up the City!

I am in the Ninian, block 112 - I swear at every game, and shout dog's abuse at various people on the pitch, usually the poor tw*t who is running our line. I have never had any steward come near me, and by the same token my outbursts have only once been challenged by a bloke near us - he lost that particular argument, and pleased to say my fellow ST holders joined with me to tell him to foxtrot oscar

I try not to do this - there are kids and women nearby, and most of the blokes there (mostly ST) barely shout anything - I often apologise for the language (I notice the fella in front of me has stopped wearing his hearing aids! ). But we are all different, I don't take umbridge at someone who is quiet.

I do think it is crap if someone is on their mobile during a game - that said I have been known to text the missus if we've scored 3 or 4, and as I have a crap mobile and can't see close up very well, this can take a little time

And as we are recently married, she is trying to be interested enough to care

Up the City!

In the words of Liam Neeson...

I will find you... and I will kill you (well, ban you!! )

Its getting worse though feller, beer and football and working class fellers enjoying a
boozy old sing-song is becoming a thing of the past

No Alan Whiteley never said red or dead, but they said themselves in the statement but you must have missed that bit, they said after apologising that they would try and help the club to find new investors (oh yeh, loads of them queuing up NOT!!!!) and they would not continue propping up the club's monthlyb losses.
Now when asked Alan Whiteley said that without new investors stepping in to fill that monthly loss, the club would ar=t best be able to carry on trading for only a few months, I was there and so were others, ask them what the truth is, and what do you read into that statement.

I will bow to your greater experience of dealing with VT, because I have never met him, how did you find him and what did you make of him, do you think he's the type to take a bloody nose , wipe it and carry on with us.
In all truth all and I mean all the people who I know that have met or had dealings with him think the exact opposite, and in their opinion for what it's worth he'd have walked, not the type to take it on the chin so to speak, but if your experiences are different, then fill in the gaps.

ok, just imagine we refused the red, what would Tan do?:

plan A: carry on cos he invested already a lot of money and wants a return
plan B: lose interest in CCFC, help to find another buyer/investor. Again, he wants his money back, after all this you dont wanna lose the money you already invested and let the club go bust.
plan B1: he finds an investor/buyer who will (again) invest money and wont drop us
plan B2: he doesnt find anyone willing to invest, so it comes back to plan A

I wouldnt have a problem with Tan if he hadnt done the rebrand, I usually dont trust any of these business guys involved with football clubs, but thats another thing. But to take our crest and colours away are an absolute NO-GO to me. We are not a candybar with a new packaging, commercial campaign or image, but a football club we all love and feel passionate about. You knows it Gwyn, cos you are passionate about the City.

No Alan Whiteley never said red or dead, but they said themselves in the statement but you must have missed that bit, they said after apologising that they would try and help the club to find new investors (oh yeh, loads of them queuing up NOT!!!!) and they would not continue propping up the club's monthlyb losses.
Now when asked Alan Whiteley said that without new investors stepping in to fill that monthly loss, the club would ar=t best be able to carry on trading for only a few months, I was there and so were others, ask them what the truth is, and what do you read into that statement.

I will bow to your greater experience of dealing with VT, because I have never met him, how did you find him and what did you make of him, do you think he's the type to take a bloody nose , wipe it and carry on with us.
In all truth all and I mean all the people who I know that have met or had dealings with him think the exact opposite, and in their opinion for what it's worth he'd have walked, not the type to take it on the chin so to speak, but if your experiences are different, then fill in the gaps.

ok, just imagine we refused the red, what would Tan do?:

plan A: carry on cos he invested already a lot of money and wants a return
plan B: lose interest in CCFC, help to find another buyer/investor. Again, he wants his money back, after all this you dont wanna lose the money you already invested and let the club go bust.
plan B1: he finds an investor/buyer who will (again) invest money and wont drop us
plan B2: he doesnt find anyone willing to invest, so it comes back to plan A

I wouldnt have a problem with Tan if he hadnt done the rebrand, I usually dont trust any of these business guys involved with football clubs, but thats another thing. But to take our crest and colours away are an absolute NO-GO to me. We are not a candybar with a new packaging, commercial campaign or image, but a football club we all love and feel passionate about. You knows it Gwyn, cos you are passionate about the City.

Sadly. We are becoming a Club of passionate supporters that are not allowed to show
passion, many of our most passionate, loyal fans are not allowed within 5k of the ground
and are being replaced by ex rugby fans with f**k all else to do now Rugby is dead.
Can we blame Tan for that? Quite possibly, but its the trend across the country. the more
I think about it, the more I believe Red kits is the least of our worries. Bring back safe
standing? the only hope I think

No Alan Whiteley never said red or dead, but they said themselves in the statement but you must have missed that bit, they said after apologising that they would try and help the club to find new investors (oh yeh, loads of them queuing up NOT!!!!) and they would not continue propping up the club's monthlyb losses.
Now when asked Alan Whiteley said that without new investors stepping in to fill that monthly loss, the club would ar=t best be able to carry on trading for only a few months, I was there and so were others, ask them what the truth is, and what do you read into that statement.

I will bow to your greater experience of dealing with VT, because I have never met him, how did you find him and what did you make of him, do you think he's the type to take a bloody nose , wipe it and carry on with us.
In all truth all and I mean all the people who I know that have met or had dealings with him think the exact opposite, and in their opinion for what it's worth he'd have walked, not the type to take it on the chin so to speak, but if your experiences are different, then fill in the gaps.

ok, just imagine we refused the red, what would Tan do?:

plan A: carry on cos he invested already a lot of money and wants a return
plan B: lose interest in CCFC, help to find another buyer/investor. Again, he wants his money back, after all this you dont wanna lose the money you already invested and let the club go bust.
plan B1: he finds an investor/buyer who will (again) invest money and wont drop us
plan B2: he doesnt find anyone willing to invest, so it comes back to plan A

I wouldnt have a problem with Tan if he hadnt done the rebrand, I usually dont trust any of these business guys involved with football clubs, but thats another thing. But to take our crest and colours away are an absolute NO-GO to me. We are not a candybar with a new packaging, commercial campaign or image, but a football club we all love and feel passionate about. You knows it Gwyn, cos you are passionate about the City.

In my opinion, he would as main accredited investor, sell off all the assets he could such as players and any equipment etc, take a small hit of a few million and leave us rot, as I've stated he's not they type to take a bloody nose. I seriously think if we had rebuffed him, he would set out to destroy us without a second thought to simply prove a point, and that fits in very closely along the lines of with what club staff and directors tend to think would have happened.
I really don't believe people realsie what sort of animal we are dealing with.

I really don't believe people realsie what sort of animal we are dealing with.

if thats the case, we should get rid of him the sooner the better. even go down a few leagues and start fresh, imo

Serious question Gwyn, how do you know all about Tan's personality, as you've stated above, when you say you've never met him?

I've never met him, so wouldn't like to comment on what sort of personality Tan has.

Serious question Gwyn, how do you know all about Tan's personality, as you've stated above, when you say you've never met him?

I've never met him, so wouldn't like to comment on what sort of personality Tan has.

Personality has little to do with it I think Gwyn means the sort of business man Tan is based on what we know. Its utter nonsence if people think Tan has tied himself to the club to the extent he can not walk away. The investment into a company making losses can be offset against one or more of his companies making profits via taxation. Tan will not of loaned personal wealth it wil be through his portfolio. Hotel groups are the most common users of the system although it is a common practice in all types of groups. You can be sure Tan can walk away any time he so wishes.

They sound nice people "if he didn't get his way he would destroy us just to make a point" nice guys

Whether its good history or bad history it was our history and I was proud of it, it should have been cherished and built on not thrown away, f#ck is vision and plans for the Far East a football club is primarily for the community it is in , South Wales not south east Asia.

Correct ! Where in the Tan Empire is there a place for PR & even respect for those of us who have been involved ,as supporters for decades ?! Sooner the guy slopes back to Malaysia - and stays there , the happier I'll be . BLUEBIRDS /0 \

Slopes back to Malaysia and leave us in financial ruin with no club to support, time for everyone to accept the way forward I think.

They sound nice people "if he didn't get his way he would destroy us just to make a point" nice guys

They are business people nice or not nice is not the point. They came in when we were in the brown stuff, because they believe its a good investment, it is potentionally a global brand thanks to their Malaysian connections and Sky.
Of course Tan would like the fans to warm to him but dont be surprised if he puts no importance on it. His view will be if he drives it forward both he and the fans will be winners. At present there are many more accepting it than there are rejecting it. Dont blame Tan for that. Cardiff without Tan who knows? reluctance does not come into it, have you noticed anyone being dragged into the Stadium shouting and Kicking I haven't.

They sound nice people "if he didn't get his way he would destroy us just to make a point" nice guys

They are business people nice or not nice is not the point. They came in when we were in the brown stuff, because they believe its a good investment, it is potentionally a global brand thanks to their Malaysian connections and Sky.
Of course Tan would like the fans to warm to him but dont be surprised if he puts no importance on it. His view will be if he drives it forward both he and the fans will be winners. At present there are many more accepting it than there are rejecting it. Dont blame Tan for that. Cardiff without Tan who knows? reluctance does not come into it, have you noticed anyone being dragged into the Stadium shouting and Kicking I haven't.

This has never been about the rebrand. This hatred was around last season too.
People who used to be able to walk around thinking they were billy-big-time
are no longer welcome so they have been busy undermining Cardiff City FC from
afar. We HAD to have Vincent Tans money. What else have we had? A superbly
professionally set-up. Brilliant young manager, the kind of squad we could only
dream of, Confidence that we dont need to sell players, confidence that we CAN
now buy players...

These f*cking horrible kits are a rich mans fad. Sooner that for one/two seasons
and perhaps the opportunity to go back to Blue at another time..

Than have no Club.

Thats where we were going to be if we hadnt paid that Tax Bill

They sound nice people "if he didn't get his way he would destroy us just to make a point" nice guys

They are business people nice or not nice is not the point. They came in when we were in the brown stuff, because they believe its a good investment, it is potentionally a global brand thanks to their Malaysian connections and Sky.
Of course Tan would like the fans to warm to him but dont be surprised if he puts no importance on it. His view will be if he drives it forward both he and the fans will be winners. At present there are many more accepting it than there are rejecting it. Dont blame Tan for that. Cardiff without Tan who knows? reluctance does not come into it, have you noticed anyone being dragged into the Stadium shouting and Kicking I haven't.

This has never been about the rebrand. This hatred was around last season too.
People who used to be able to walk around thinking they were billy-big-time
are no longer welcome so they have been busy undermining Cardiff City FC from
afar. We HAD to have Vincent Tans money. What else have we had? A superbly
professionally set-up. Brilliant young manager, the kind of squad we could only
dream of, Confidence that we dont need to sell players, confidence that we CAN
now buy players...

These f*cking horrible kits are a rich mans fad. Sooner that for one/two seasons
and perhaps the opportunity to go back to Blue at another time..

Than have no Club.

Thats where we were going to be if we hadnt paid that Tax Bill

correct dave
people convenientlly forget that we were in the high court facing a winding up order which without tans intrvention at that stage would have meant liquidation of the football club.
never mind the red or dead issue without tans original investement we were dead anyway.
Has anybody ever thought that the reason tan does not understand why some fans have revolted against the red dragon is because we have a big red one on the flag of our country.
he sees us as patriotic he hears our anti english songs so perhaps he thought we would accept the dragon with no problem. It does not excuse the fact that he should have investigated the traditions of the club before making that decision but i can see where his train of thought came from.

Before the rebrand I cannot fathom why anybody would be anti-Tan...

Before the rebrand I cannot fathom why anybody would be anti-Tan...

I've been asking why for well over a year. Too many people are too easily manipulated

They sound nice people "if he didn't get his way he would destroy us just to make a point" nice guys

Who said they were nice, how many of us have met them or know them well enough to say they are nice. As far as I'm concerned they are simply business men who see an opportunity to turn around a failing business with some ideas and plans that they had.

When initially it looked d like the majority of fans didn't want to proceed with their plans, they said they would not proceed with their plans and walk away from further investment.

When people had the chance to weigh things up and realise the benefits far outweighed the costs involved emotionally and traditionally, they offered to proceed with their original plans.

Now I'm sure that was what they were hoping for and they would not have to follow up with their threat to walk away, but most of us weren't prepared to see if he was bluffing, not at the risk of losing our club anyway.

Does any of the above actions make them sounds nice, does anyone think they came into help us, or help themselves, do you think nice had anything to do with it.
If so, don't worry about being blue or red, because being green would be more like it.

If you had the choice of being run successfully with a secure future ahead, but by a hard nosed uncaring business man, or going bust and out of business whilst being run by a really nice man, which would you choose?

Who are they to dismiss our history FFS Its our history as someone else said good or bad. The Malaysians will go as far as the rules can be bent.

Explain to us how anyone other than Doctor Who, can change history?????????

Dr Who ? Now now Gwyn where did i say Change ? Did i use the word Change ? No i said DISMISS !! which the last time i looked they dont mean the same.
Now where is my sonic screwdriver

Dismiss, is even sillier than change, if people are told something often enough, then they will accept that what they have heard is true to a degree.
Dismiss means it's been got rid of, now please explain to me how you can get rid of our history, Glasgow rangers Newco have because they have just started, but Glasgow Rangers Fc have a long and strong history, but they no longer exist, the vast majority of real City fans have shown which route they wish to follow.

Holy fooking Countdown Chief.
Dismiss (Said in the pretext of to ignore and to pretend in didn't happen or to not recognise our past) Gwyn i know you love your arguments but to argue over "change" or "dismiss" is scraping the barrell.