SHOCKING DEFENCE, WORRYING BUT PLENTY OF PASSION AND HEART

For f**k sake leave malky out of any of this bullshit. Regardless of who signed who, we're no better off now than we were back in that dark December a few months ago so any criticism coming his way is harsh, petulant and pathetic. Mackay was the man who managed Cardiff City to the premier league and as city fans we should all be grateful and respectful to him for that. His defence didn't seem to be too bad when we were drawing with everton, last minute goal v spurs etc.....(granted marshy in goal spurs) but in effect its been a straight swap. We now score but concede more.
Pro Ole
Pro Mackay

Tan.......well just change the shirts back to blue and you'd probably have about an xtra 80% of the fans back on side. Previous retarded decisions of yours taken into consideration of course.

City till I die!!!
Bluebirds!!!

For f**k sake leave malky out of any of this bullshit. Regardless of who signed who, we're no better off now than we were back in that dark December a few months ago so any criticism coming his way is harsh, petulant and pathetic. Mackay was the man who managed Cardiff City to the premier league and as city fans we should all be grateful and respectful to him for that. His defence didn't seem to be too bad when we were drawing with everton, last minute goal v spurs etc.....(granted marshy in goal spurs) but in effect its been a straight swap. We now score but concede more.
Pro Ole
Pro Mackay

Tan.......well just change the shirts back to blue and you'd probably have about an xtra 80% of the fans back on side. Previous retarded decisions of yours taken into consideration of course.

City till I die!!!
Bluebirds!!!

Malky had Tan in his ear but surely Malky was still picking the side and leaving the likes of Noone and Bellamy out.

Bellamy was injured then and had family problems.

Craig Noone, I was shocked he never played enough, yet Malky chased after him for a long time to finally sign him.

Bellamy was fine at villa away, so was Noone. We really should have went for it at them away games.

Malky would rather play cowie or whitts on the wing than noone

Malky was doing the same in the championship so to say Tan is to blame for Malky's negative football is wrong. I respect Malky but people on here believe he could walk on water.

Agree with most of the analysis on the openning thread BUT at the Liverpool game I said that you've got to play your best team and we need to WIN games. I wrote on a seperate post that we need to play Zaha and Daehli from the start. They had an impact atCardiff v Liverpool. Bellamy worked hard today and last week but has little impact these days.
I couldnt believe when I got to rhe Hawthornes that we had Gunnerson playing in midfield and neither Z or D was in the team. Also suprised at Tayor and Fabio. (Suprised that Taylor played OK.) I assume the(mistaken) plan was to keep it tight and seek to win it in the last 20!
We were hopeless and hapless for 25 minutes. OGS should stop changing the defence for each game. What was Medel doing for the first goal? Terroble header! At least Solksaer had the sense and bravery toget Z and D on the pitch early on. Second half we were the better team. Daehli did great and Caulker played well throughout. Zaha is hit and miss but he makes defenders panick and they double up on him giving others more space.
I think we would have gone down under MM playing some of the worst football ever in the Prem. If we go down now at least we will have been the ENTERTAINERS!! - 15 goals in 2 games

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To me that was shocking, any club that gives away two goals against a poor West Brom team in eight minutes are always going to be on the back foot and the odds were always going to be stacked against us to get those three points.

My biggest worry is,yes we can score goals but we certainly know how to concede sloppy ones and the defence in my opinion has not improved one bit and has actually got worse and that is going to be Ole's downfall.

I thought for the first 30 minutes we were clueless all over the pitch and thankfully some could say a wonder goal others might say different but Mutch's goal put us right back in it, I have always said going in at half time to get yourself back in the game is everything and fair play somehow we had managed it, I had been dreading if they had scored the third.

For the first time in months, I feel David Marshall had a nightmare of a game, he was responsible for their first goal and after a great equaliser by Stephen Caulker, Marshall was totally to blame for West Brom's third.

Just a few players I am going to mention, Zaha's moments of brilliance but once again only in patches, I thought Bellamy was everywhere without achieving anything, Campbell was everywhere as he usually is but no end product, Gunnarsson was well below par.

To me Daehli who only played 45 minutes of the game was my man of the match not just for his great goal which made it 3-3 in the dying seconds and sent the City fans into raptures but I felt he kept opening up the game and his passing and his runs were all spot on, it took a youngster to drive the team forward.

I feel a lot of those players need to look at themselves and Ole needs to sort that defence out ASAP otherwise we are going down, it is well and truly out of our hands,six games left and we have to win at least three or four games to stay, can it be done ? Personally to me it looks impossible but as City fans we have always got to believe until it is impossible.

We have to beat Crystal Palace, Stoke, Sunderland and Southampton or Newcastle and still hope that other teams mess up, our fans were amazing today and they are the ones who deserved the equaliser to make it 3-3

Fair play to Ole, when he came over at the end I loved seeing the passion and heart in him and the care he showed towards us but is that enough to keep us up?

Hi Annis,
Not seen the goals on tv yet so just live. Yes Marshall was out of position on the first goal but Gary Medels header is just shocking. Infact a few of his headers were awful. Second goal had an element of luck in it with the deflection as well. Can't comment on the 3rd as even my contact lenses are not that good! We seem to work so hard for our goals again today and give a load of shit away. Take Liverpool last week, exactly the same. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Vince for tickets last night!
Lee.

I dont understand what this game has to do with malky. And i dont understand why people are upset with us getting a point?
We did very well today getting back into the game after conceiving two poor goals in 9 minutes. To come back from that is truly amazing i think. Where do they find the confidence to do that? Fantastic fightback bluebirds

I dont understand what this game has to do with malky. And i dont understand why people are upset with us getting a point?
We did very well today getting back into the game after conceiving two poor goals in 9 minutes. To come back from that is truly amazing i think. Where do they find the confidence to do that? Fantastic fightback bluebirds

As much as we needed the win after 9 mins I'd take a draw all day!!!

I dont understand what this game has to do with malky. And i dont understand why people are upset with us getting a point?
We did very well today getting back into the game after conceiving two poor goals in 9 minutes. To come back from that is truly amazing i think. Where do they find the confidence to do that? Fantastic fightback bluebirds

Why can't we criticise the man who spent a shit load of money on a team and still asked for more

I dont understand what this game has to do with malky. And i dont understand why people are upset with us getting a point?
We did very well today getting back into the game after conceiving two poor goals in 9 minutes. To come back from that is truly amazing i think. Where do they find the confidence to do that? Fantastic fightback bluebirds

Why can't we criticise the man who spent a shit load of money on a team and still asked for more

Im sorry, but i thought this was about todays game, and it was really good in my opinion!

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To me that was shocking, any club that gives away two goals against a poor West Brom team in eight minutes are always going to be on the back foot and the odds were always going to be stacked against us to get those three points.

My biggest worry is,yes we can score goals but we certainly know how to concede sloppy ones and the defence in my opinion has not improved one bit and has actually got worse and that is going to be Ole's downfall.

I thought for the first 30 minutes we were clueless all over the pitch and thankfully some could say a wonder goal others might say different but Mutch's goal put us right back in it, I have always said going in at half time to get yourself back in the game is everything and fair play somehow we had managed it, I had been dreading if they had scored the third.

For the first time in months, I feel David Marshall had a nightmare of a game, he was responsible for their first goal and after a great equaliser by Stephen Caulker, Marshall was totally to blame for West Brom's third.

Just a few players I am going to mention, Zaha's moments of brilliance but once again only in patches, I thought Bellamy was everywhere without achieving anything, Campbell was everywhere as he usually is but no end product, Gunnarsson was well below par.

To me Daehli who only played 45 minutes of the game was my man of the match not just for his great goal which made it 3-3 in the dying seconds and sent the City fans into raptures but I felt he kept opening up the game and his passing and his runs were all spot on, it took a youngster to drive the team forward.

I feel a lot of those players need to look at themselves and Ole needs to sort that defence out ASAP otherwise we are going down, it is well and truly out of our hands,six games left and we have to win at least three or four games to stay, can it be done ? Personally to me it looks impossible but as City fans we have always got to believe until it is impossible.

We have to beat Crystal Palace, Stoke, Sunderland and Southampton or Newcastle and still hope that other teams mess up, our fans were amazing today and they are the ones who deserved the equaliser to make it 3-3

Fair play to Ole, when he came over at the end I loved seeing the passion and heart in him and the care he showed towards us but is that enough to keep us up?

Hi Annis,
Not seen the goals on tv yet so just live. Yes Marshall was out of position on the first goal but Gary Medels header is just shocking. Infact a few of his headers were awful. Second goal had an element of luck in it with the deflection as well. Can't comment on the 3rd as even my contact lenses are not that good! We seem to work so hard for our goals again today and give a load of shit away. Take Liverpool last week, exactly the same. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Vince for tickets last night!
Lee.

Your Welcome
The team did work so hard and its a shame as the commitment is there and desire.

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

End of season:

18. Norwich
19. Sunderland
20. Fulham

Have a nice day!

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Loyalty to OGS, or any other manager for that matter is not the issue, by the way, it takes me at least 7 hours of travelling to get to every home game as a ST holder, so it's laughable to question loyalty, of me and more so Annis Luck, also has very little to do with it, once or twice yes, but the games we have lost or drawn all season have been down to the fact that as a team we are not good enough, under Malky or OGS. There is for me though one big positive and that is that I see in OGS a character and manager who is exciting and wants to play attacking football and given time, money and transfer windows he can build the best most talented squad we have ever seen at Cardiff

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Loyalty to OGS, or any other manager for that matter is not the issue, by the way, it takes me at least 7 hours of travelling to get to every home game as a ST holder, so it's laughable to question loyalty, of me and more so Annis Luck, also has very little to do with it, once or twice yes, but the games we have lost or drawn all season have been down to the fact that as a team we are not good enough, under Malky or OGS. There is for me though one big positive and that is that I see in OGS a character and manager who is exciting and wants to play attacking football and given time, money and transfer windows he can build the best most talented squad we have ever seen at Cardiff

7 hours travelling? That's loyalty, are you from Aberdeen?

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Loyalty to OGS, or any other manager for that matter is not the issue, by the way, it takes me at least 7 hours of travelling to get to every home game as a ST holder, so it's laughable to question loyalty, of me and more so Annis Luck, also has very little to do with it, once or twice yes, but the games we have lost or drawn all season have been down to the fact that as a team we are not good enough, under Malky or OGS. There is for me though one big positive and that is that I see in OGS a character and manager who is exciting and wants to play attacking football and given time, money and transfer windows he can build the best most talented squad we have ever seen at Cardiff

7 hours travelling? That's loyalty, are you from Aberdeen?

Might as well be East London to Cardiff and back is a minimum 7 hour round trip

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Loyalty to OGS, or any other manager for that matter is not the issue, by the way, it takes me at least 7 hours of travelling to get to every home game as a ST holder, so it's laughable to question loyalty, of me and more so Annis Luck, also has very little to do with it, once or twice yes, but the games we have lost or drawn all season have been down to the fact that as a team we are not good enough, under Malky or OGS. There is for me though one big positive and that is that I see in OGS a character and manager who is exciting and wants to play attacking football and given time, money and transfer windows he can build the best most talented squad we have ever seen at Cardiff

As highlighted above if Annis is not critical of Ole and the players there then I don't read English very well and nowhere have I questioned "yours" or anyone else's loyalty got that east end chip on your shoulder there mate Thought this was a place where all opinions were welcomed? as long as they don't conflict with god almighty's opinions eh? pmsl

second worst defence in the league when malky was still in charge and he gets praise for making us hard to break down, our defence under ole is exactly the same poor but because we play a more expansive style and actually try to win and not set up for a point everygame and depend on set pieces to score its showing how bad our defence really is and needs sorting out in the summer

oh and don't forget oles not under any pressure like malky was
ffs you couldn't make it up could you
hmmmmmm some one said malky was so under pressure but never in bottom three
ole is so under pressure to keep us up with the shit squad he inherited its unbelievable
malky had is scouting net work set up years ago but wasted some 50million but still the deluded think we would stay up if he was still manager
ole hads a couple of weeks to get some fresh bodies in spent 6 million and brought in 3 million
cala great buy deahli great buy wolf and berget etc time will tell
zaha hasn't been great but was being set up by malky as well hmmmmmm

I dont understand what this game has to do with malky. And i dont understand why people are upset with us getting a point?
We did very well today getting back into the game after conceiving two poor goals in 9 minutes. To come back from that is truly amazing i think. Where do they find the confidence to do that? Fantastic fightback bluebirds

At this stage of the season we need 3pts and time and games are clearly running out, just take a look at the League table, everyone else above us have virtually pulled away.

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The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Ive always maintained your luck over a season evens out and u make your own luck in football by being good enough. I did say for the first time this season I felt we were robbed of a point at Everton, but we are 2nd from bottom on our own merit.

I have never doubted the players passion and I agree they are giving their all, but at this moment in time thats not enough, its quality and good tactics that win u games

As to Ole at matches including myself, everyone has been behind him and the team, yesterday I waited till Ole cam over to us and we clapped him and vice versa.

The team are obviously fully committed to playing for OGS, however we once again showed that we are not good enough at this level. WBA were poor and we were as bad, the odds are we will both go down with Fulham, which if that's so, then at least those two teams won't be the massive threat that a club the size of Sunderland would be in the Championship.

Correct the commitment and desire is there, but the quality and tactics are not in my opinion and the results show that.

You have to admit a big slice of luck is not going our way match after match. Football is sometimes like that I think we have been very unlucky on many occasions this season and Hull for example have been very lucky thats sometimes the difference between success and failure. There hasn't been too many occasions this season where our players haven't given their all during a game whether that be under Malky or Ole. At the moment we are under Ole and I believe we as loyal supporters should all get behind him and the team to give them the best opportunity of success rather than criticizing our managers tactics and our players quality and maybe that slice of luck will turn our way in the coming games

Loyalty to OGS, or any other manager for that matter is not the issue, by the way, it takes me at least 7 hours of travelling to get to every home game as a ST holder, so it's laughable to question loyalty, of me and more so Annis Luck, also has very little to do with it, once or twice yes, but the games we have lost or drawn all season have been down to the fact that as a team we are not good enough, under Malky or OGS. There is for me though one big positive and that is that I see in OGS a character and manager who is exciting and wants to play attacking football and given time, money and transfer windows he can build the best most talented squad we have ever seen at Cardiff

As highlighted above if Annis is not critical of Ole and the players there then I don't read English very well and nowhere have I questioned "yours" or anyone else's loyalty got that east end chip on your shoulder there mate Thought this was a place where all opinions were welcomed? as long as they don't conflict with god almighty's opinions eh? pmsl

I am allowed an opinion and at this moment in time Ole's tactics are not working, results or the league table dont lie. I am stated the truth, backed up by facts. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=121450

A question for you, are we winning games yes or no?

Ole got it wrong this time, why did he change the defence around again ????

If he wants us to play the ball out it has to be Cala ???

Why did he start with Gunner, who looked worse than the last few times he has tried to play in the Premiership.

Marshall had a poor game lobbed from the touch line and beaten on his inside post for the last game, still it all came good in the end

Daehli has to play the rest of the season, he makes the rest of them look average at best except for Mutch who is also showing he is already a top half premiership midfielder ......

PASSION AND HEART.....Does not win us games, sadly we are not good enough for this league

PASSION AND HEART.....Does not win us games, sadly we are not good enough for this league

At this present moment in time we haven't been relegated, so we are good enough to be in this league

PASSION AND HEART.....Does not win us games, sadly we are not good enough for this league

Ole got it wrong this time, why did he change the defence around again ????

If he wants us to play the ball out it has to be Cala ???

Why did he start with Gunner, who looked worse than the last few times he has tried to play in the Premiership.

Marshall had a poor game lobbed from the touch line and beaten on his inside post for the last game, still it all came good in the end

Daehli has to play the rest of the season, he makes the rest of them look average at best except for Mutch who is also showing he is already a top half premiership midfielder ......

It looks like we have similar views,but watch out your not allowed to say Ole does anything wrong even when Ole gets it wrong according to some on here.

PASSION AND HEART.....Does not win us games, sadly we are not good enough for this league

Ian, I am a big one for Passion and heart, but to survive the Premier League u need class and good tactics to go with it. Lets get it right for the Palace,Stoke,Southampton and Sunderland games at least and we might have a chance

Ole got it wrong this time, why did he change the defence around again ????

If he wants us to play the ball out it has to be Cala ???

Why did he start with Gunner, who looked worse than the last few times he has tried to play in the Premiership.

Marshall had a poor game lobbed from the touch line and beaten on his inside post for the last game, still it all came good in the end

Daehli has to play the rest of the season, he makes the rest of them look average at best except for Mutch who is also showing he is already a top half premiership midfielder ......

It looks like we have similar views,but watch out your not allowed to say Ole does anything wrong even when Ole gets it wrong according to some on here.

When malky got it wrong you blamed Tan