Radical Islam

I hate to get picky, but can you prove that?

Which bit, the letting radicals stay or the fact I said "a lot"?

If you mean letting the radicals stay, there are various news articles about radicles that have had appeals won for them to stay in the country.

If you mean when I say "a lot" of radicals, for a country where the muslim population is the minority, there seem to be a growing number of reports wherein people are being arrested for "plotting against the country" or whatever the charge is for terrorism. As for the PREACHERS of the hate, there are plenty of cases again, the likes of Chowdry, etc.

Please don't ask me to find these cases, as I really didn't want to get involved in this debate, as I said earlier. I'm sure you're capable of searching google if you want to find out more about it, however.

Muslim extremists plotting against society is big news, so I doubt if many get nicked that don't end up on the telly or in the papers. Whilst there may have been a few high profile cases, there are 2.6 million of them here, it is a very tiny proportion. If you take 2.6 million non Muslims you will have a lot of wrong uns as well, just look at the two killers we have had on the loose in the last month- and the long list of white British blokes that have committed untold vile crimes in recent years.

Also, in the last year we have had white supremacists arrested with explosives in Hirwaun and Blackwood. Muslims may have their extremists, but they do not have a monopoly.

As for the extremists that have been given the right to stay - I assume you are talking about the recent high profile case where two blokes were arrested but RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGE and the government wanted to deport them. There was no proof they had actually done anything - in fact there as not even enough proof for it to get as far as a court! In fact, apart from 7/7, we have not had any cases of Islamic terrorism in the UK - and all those involved with that are accounted for.

There have been multiple failed attempts at terrorism since 7/7 - please don't tell me there hasn't.

As for the cases in which I was referring to (where the extremists were allowed to stay), I'm unsure as to the reason WHY, but I know the case was for one person.

I can understand what you're saying about a 2.6 million population of muslims, some will understandably go wrong. But there are also an increasing amount of British muslims going to places such as Pakistan, and disappearing off the radar. Obviously they could just be doing nothing, but the questions have to be asked.

As I've stated twice now, I don't want a debate on the matter, I just wanted to make my point.

Get the FUCKERS out of this country NOW. As you can see they don't like us so why the f**k are they here. I will be holding a whip round every home game to help the fund to Repatriate them.


They may have a job on there hands at passport controll getting out, but how the f**k did they get in ?

Jesus: turned water into wine, made the lame walk again, healed the sick, walked on water, came back from the dead.

Mohammed: fiddled with kids and was so f*cking ugly that no images of him are allowed.

Christianity 1, Islam 0.

Your move, Mohammed.

i think you will find it has everything to do with it.

its about your religion in your country and not having others rammed theirs down your throat, or even discussed, seeing as your in their country, you either tow the line or keep quiet.

What goes on in other countries is neither here nor there, we are talking about what should be allowed or not allowed in this country. I assume you are suggesting that it is wrong for a country to be strictly oppressive and religiously intolerant - but at the same time you are suggesting that this country should be oppressive and religiously intolerant. I don't get what you are trying to say.

And whilst Saudi Arabia is one of the strictest Muslim Countries in the world, most Islamic countries are not so intolerant and and there are millions of Christians worshiping in churches in Islamic countries. Do you know that those people on Saturday were from Saudi? Do you know that 'their country' is not in fact the UK?

Is anyone forcing you to be a Muslim in this country? No .. so what is your point caller?

no what im pointing out is much simpler

their country their rules we have to abide by them

our country our rules abide by them

i think you will find it has everything to do with it.

its about your religion in your country and not having others rammed theirs down your throat, or even discussed, seeing as your in their country, you either tow the line or keep quiet.

What goes on in other countries is neither here nor there, we are talking about what should be allowed or not allowed in this country. I assume you are suggesting that it is wrong for a country to be strictly oppressive and religiously intolerant - but at the same time you are suggesting that this country should be oppressive and religiously intolerant. I don't get what you are trying to say.

And whilst Saudi Arabia is one of the strictest Muslim Countries in the world, most Islamic countries are not so intolerant and and there are millions of Christians worshiping in churches in Islamic countries. Do you know that those people on Saturday were from Saudi? Do you know that 'their country' is not in fact the UK?

Is anyone forcing you to be a Muslim in this country? No .. so what is your point caller?

no what im pointing out is much simpler

their country their rules we have to abide by them

our country our rules abide by them

You are obviously missing something, our country, our rules, and they ARE abiding by them. But you seem to want to change our rules.

no what im pointing out is much simpler

their country their rules we have to abide by them

our country our rules abide by them[/quote]

You are obviously missing something, our country, our rules, and they ARE abiding by them. But you seem to want to change our rules.[/quote]


Exactly what rules are those extremists following Joe ?? You don't get it do you ? Saudi rules no problem abide by them or get thrown in there stinking prisons. Our rules please abide by them f*cking easy Chief. Why should i live like one of them i dont want to. Why should i be tolerant of there radical faith ? i dont want to. Why should we allow animal cruelty in our Country to appease there pathetic beliefs ? Because i dont want to. Our land our Country if you dont like it f**k off to Saudi or Iraq or Iran or Pakistan or Turkey or Algeria or wherever they like. They dont belong here SIMPLES

Radical Islam is not wanted in most countires and that includes Saudi Arabia. Alot of people claim Saudi is radical because of the way they treat their women. Adultery by stoning being a prime argument which is a very good point but all my time in Saudi I never heard of a women getting stoned for getting laid by the next door neighbour. While I'm on this topic you can take it from me the local women like their sex just as much as our local women do.

However Saudi does have a lon way to go regarding women rights but they are getting there believe it or not. 25% of businesses in Saudi are run by women. When I started working out there in the 80s I saw no Saudi women working. Now if you go there they are making there way into institutions like hospitals. Tbh their culture has made it difficult for the women to work but the financial way of the world means countires like Saudi cannot afford NOT for their women to work. That could be look upon as the West countries having one over the muslim lot and this is what is bugging the radicals more than anything and its why yo usee them on our streets.

I dont get too worried about these radicals having their way. They remind me of communism. I was in the military when communism was at its strongest. We lived in fear that it would rule us. However that fear was removed from me when some Sargeant regiment guy told me what he believed which turned out to be true in the end. He preached that communism would die from the inside. That is those who lived in communist countries did not want it. So the communist governments had a bigger problem fighting their own than the West. Communism was killed within and all the West had to do was stop it spreading.

I just feel the same fate will happen to radical islam. From what I have seen the average muslim does not want it but does not want to give up its faith. Like Christianity where it was compulsory to go to church a couple of hundred years ago the Muslim faith will mellow out. We might not see it in our life time but I feel it will become quiet harmless. Unfortunately we need to go through the valley of death for it to mellow. We might be going through that now or it might get worse but whatever I do believe radicalism of Islam will die.

no what im pointing out is much simpler

their country their rules we have to abide by them

our country our rules abide by them

You are obviously missing something, our country, our rules, and they ARE abiding by them. But you seem to want to change our rules.[/quote]


Exactly what rules are those extremists following Joe ?? You don't get it do you ? Saudi rules no problem abide by them or get thrown in there stinking prisons. Our rules please abide by them f*cking easy Chief. Why should i live like one of them i dont want to. Why should i be tolerant of there radical faith ? i dont want to. Why should we allow animal cruelty in our Country to appease there pathetic beliefs ? Because i dont want to. Our land our Country if you dont like it f**k off to Saudi or Iraq or Iran or Pakistan or Turkey or Algeria or wherever they like. They dont belong here SIMPLES [/quote]

They are following the rules of the Uk.... which bit of that dont you get. Taking your complaints one at a time.

Why should i live like one of them i dont want to. You dont have to!

Why should i be tolerant of there radical faith ? i dont want to Well that is the law of our land, are you saying that YOU dont want to abide by OUR rules?

Why should we allow animal cruelty in our Country to appease there pathetic beliefs ? Unless you are a vegetarian you are on very thin ice here, all animals suffer when being murdered.

Our land our Country if you dont like it f**k off well, you clearly don't like the rules of our land. Where are you f*cking off to then?

Why should we allow animal cruelty in our Country to appease there pathetic beliefs ? Unless you are a vegetarian you are on very thin ice here, all animals suffer when being murdered.

I do believe that with this, he means that we will stun our animals before killing them, causing minimal pain, whilst the muslim faith that eat Halal meat will cut their animals by the throat and drain them of blood, thus a lot more painful for the animal.

Why should we allow animal cruelty in our Country to appease there pathetic beliefs ? Unless you are a vegetarian you are on very thin ice here, all animals suffer when being murdered.

I do believe that with this, he means that we will stun our animals before killing them, causing minimal pain, whilst the muslim faith that eat Halal meat will cut their animals by the throat and drain them of blood, thus a lot more painful for the animal.

Murder is murder is murder.

In a traditional slaughterhouse animals have to stand in line and watch other animals being killed, this is very distressing. And that stunning does not always work, at the end of the day they still have their throat cut. To suggest 'ordinary' slaughter is pain free is pushing it a bit. Most people do not want to know what goes on because it would put them off their food.

In Halal slaughterhouse at least the animals are given more dignity in the run up to having their throat cut.

According to the MCB, "it's a sudden and quick hemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." .... I have no idea if this is actually true, but the animal is dead within two minutes, so we are not talking about ritual torture or anything.

I am not about to defend halal slaughter, on the grounds that i am against animal slaughter. But if you eat meat it is a bit hypocritical to complain about one type of slaughter over another.

It all sounds like an excuse to have a go at Muslims to me. If you care about animal rights, you don't eat meat.

I have read this thread with interest. Some clarification is needed!!

As for these Islamic marchers? hmmmm.... They are marching and protesting for the very right
to ban marches and protests. They are marching to take away the rights of British women
to dress as they see fit, whilst larging it up dressing their own women like mummies!!
They are marching to BAN the very religion that Britain has followed for hundreds of years. Do
not argue otherwise...The Sharia BANS the following of other religions.

Joe Public asks where should we "send them to"..... Anywhere that practices their way of life!!
I do not see British Muslims forming long queues to get on planes to Saudi Arabia! Indeed, what
the hell are these protesters doing here in the first place. If the British way of life is so abhorrent
to them, how can they stand it??

Joe can argue his "lets send the EDL away too, cos they are law-breakers" all he likes

This is a democracy. The EDL have a democratic right to protest, to be heard. If they break the
law, nick them!! They ABIDE by our democratic laws and should accept the penalties for any transgressions

However, these islamic dickheads are actually protesting AGAINST democracy, so if they wish to
demonstrate AGAINST their own right to speak, and to dress and act as they wish... then they should
be true to their beliefs and f**k OFF!!

Joe Public is right. Come to Britain, enjoy our freedoms our standard of living, our fresh drinking water,
enjoy our tolerance and open-heartedness.

But dont come here and slag it off, The good book (Koran) tells Muslims that if they are living in a non
Muslim country, to abide by, and RESPECT that countries customs and its laws. If they feel they cannot
do that, then they should strive to MOVE to a Muslim land.

Id ban the face veil tomorrow. Why should British kids be thrown out of shopping precincts for wearing
baseball hats, why should people be banned from walking into a bank wearing a balaclava when these
disgusting stone-age creatures are allowed to get away with hiding their faces??? Double-standards!!

The Establisment has deemed it criminal, racist and Anti-British to be Pro-British now!

I have read this thread with interest. Some clarification is needed!!

As for these Islamic marchers? hmmmm.... They are marching and protesting for the very right
to ban marches and protests. They are marching to take away the rights of British women
to dress as they see fit, whilst larging it up dressing their own women like mummies!!
They are marching to BAN the very religion that Britain has followed for hundreds of years. Do
not argue otherwise...The Sharia BANS the following of other religions.

Joe Public asks where should we "send them to"..... Anywhere that practices their way of life!!
I do not see British Muslims forming long queues to get on planes to Saudi Arabia! Indeed, what
the hell are these protesters doing here in the first place. If the British way of life is so abhorrent
to them, how can they stand it??

Joe can argue his "lets send the EDL away too, cos they are law-breakers" all he likes

This is a democracy. The EDL have a democratic right to protest, to be heard. If they break the
law, nick them!! They ABIDE by our democratic laws and should accept the penalties for any transgressions

However, these islamic dickheads are actually protesting AGAINST democracy, so if they wish to
demonstrate AGAINST their own right to speak, and to dress and act as they wish... then they should
be true to their beliefs and f**k OFF!!

Joe Public is right. Come to Britain, enjoy our freedoms our standard of living, our fresh drinking water,
enjoy our tolerance and open-heartedness.

But dont come here and slag it off, The good book (Koran) tells Muslims that if they are living in a non
Muslim country, to abide by, and RESPECT that countries customs and its laws. If they feel they cannot
do that, then they should strive to MOVE to a Muslim land.

Id ban the face veil tomorrow. Why should British kids be thrown out of shopping precincts for wearing
baseball hats, why should people be banned from walking into a bank wearing a balaclava when these
disgusting stone-age creatures are allowed to get away with hiding their faces??? Double-standards!!

The Establisment has deemed it criminal, racist and Anti-British to be Pro-British now!

Great post mate

Murder is murder is murder.

In a traditional slaughterhouse animals have to stand in line and watch other animals being killed, this is very distressing. And that stunning does not always work, at the end of the day they still have their throat cut. To suggest 'ordinary' slaughter is pain free is pushing it a bit. Most people do not want to know what goes on because it would put them off their food.

In Halal slaughterhouse at least the animals are given more dignity in the run up to having their throat cut.

According to the MCB, "it's a sudden and quick hemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." .... I have no idea if this is actually true, but the animal is dead within two minutes, so we are not talking about ritual torture or anything.

I am not about to defend halal slaughter, on the grounds that i am against animal slaughter. But if you eat meat it is a bit hypocritical to complain about one type of slaughter over another.

It all sounds like an excuse to have a go at Muslims to me. If you care about animal rights, you don't eat meat.

You need to learn to calm the f**k down. I was just clearing up a point he was trying to make. I'm not trying to "have a go at muslims", I have some great muslim friends, so sort your f*cking attitude out and stop trying to argue every point anyone makes about islam.

I have read this thread with interest. Some clarification is needed!!

As for these Islamic marchers? hmmmm.... They are marching and protesting for the very right
to ban marches and protests. They are marching to take away the rights of British women
to dress as they see fit, whilst larging it up dressing their own women like mummies!!
They are marching to BAN the very religion that Britain has followed for hundreds of years. Do
not argue otherwise...The Sharia BANS the following of other religions.

Joe Public asks where should we "send them to"..... Anywhere that practices their way of life!!
I do not see British Muslims forming long queues to get on planes to Saudi Arabia! Indeed, what
the hell are these protesters doing here in the first place. If the British way of life is so abhorrent
to them, how can they stand it??

Joe can argue his "lets send the EDL away too, cos they are law-breakers" all he likes

This is a democracy. The EDL have a democratic right to protest, to be heard. If they break the
law, nick them!! They ABIDE by our democratic laws and should accept the penalties for any transgressions

However, these islamic dickheads are actually protesting AGAINST democracy, so if they wish to
demonstrate AGAINST their own right to speak, and to dress and act as they wish... then they should
be true to their beliefs and f**k OFF!!

Joe Public is right. Come to Britain, enjoy our freedoms our standard of living, our fresh drinking water,
enjoy our tolerance and open-heartedness.

But dont come here and slag it off, The good book (Koran) tells Muslims that if they are living in a non
Muslim country, to abide by, and RESPECT that countries customs and its laws. If they feel they cannot
do that, then they should strive to MOVE to a Muslim land.

Id ban the face veil tomorrow. Why should British kids be thrown out of shopping precincts for wearing
baseball hats, why should people be banned from walking into a bank wearing a balaclava when these
disgusting stone-age creatures are allowed to get away with hiding their faces??? Double-standards!!

The Establisment has deemed it criminal, racist and Anti-British to be Pro-British now!

I am not sure where you are coming from on the issue of what they were protesting about. The protest was against the banning of the Burqa in France and the banning of the building of minarets in Switzerland. They were not protesting for any of the things you listed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10576858 - i think their choice of Cardiff to hold this protest was a bit strange, but no more strange than the EDL choice to hold a protest here.

Yes, the EDL have a democratic right to march, but so does everyone else in this country, including Muslims. So not sure what your point is. My point is, The EDL were equally offensive and hateful, so if you nick one you have to nick the other.

Wearing baseball hats or balaclavas is not illegal. There may be certain places where there are rules about wearing them, like in a bank, but they are not actually Illegal. I agree, a Burqa should not be worn in a bank or at the airport or in schools, but to ban them from everywhere is nonsense - unless you want to ban baseball hats, crash helmets and balaklavas from everywhere as well (not to do so would be double standards). As for shopping precincts, we should not be looking to ban the burqa, we should be looking to get rid of the ban on hoodies and baseball caps.

It is not criminal to be pro British. Being pro British means celebrating what we have in this country, not attacking other peoples cultures.

Murder is murder is murder.

In a traditional slaughterhouse animals have to stand in line and watch other animals being killed, this is very distressing. And that stunning does not always work, at the end of the day they still have their throat cut. To suggest 'ordinary' slaughter is pain free is pushing it a bit. Most people do not want to know what goes on because it would put them off their food.

In Halal slaughterhouse at least the animals are given more dignity in the run up to having their throat cut.

According to the MCB, "it's a sudden and quick hemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." .... I have no idea if this is actually true, but the animal is dead within two minutes, so we are not talking about ritual torture or anything.

I am not about to defend halal slaughter, on the grounds that i am against animal slaughter. But if you eat meat it is a bit hypocritical to complain about one type of slaughter over another.

It all sounds like an excuse to have a go at Muslims to me. If you care about animal rights, you don't eat meat.

You need to learn to calm the f**k down. I was just clearing up a point he was trying to make. I'm not trying to "have a go at muslims", I have some great muslim friends, so sort your f*cking attitude out and stop trying to argue every point anyone makes about islam.

I was calm. I knew what point he was making, i was simply pointing out that unless he is a vegetarian it is a bit hypocritical to complain about the way meat is murdered. I was arguing with the point, not you.

Your reply earlier was lets say patronising Chief. For one it is there intention of Radicals to force everyone to there beliefs. And another it sounds about right i should leave my own country because of my Britishness !! Bullshit Joe . I have a better idea why dont you and your radical mates sod off to where you are liked. I bet you wouldn't keep your head for long and as i understand it takes a lot longer than 2 mins for them animals to die.
And as for our slaughter houses i admit never been to one and dont want to but i am led to believe they are stunned first (Tell them Swansea are in the Prem) aparo that's knocks em out cold .
Should the Burka be worn in this country ? no way. In there own house no problem. For one they are a security risk as you dont know who the f**k is in that thing. Would we be allowed to wear anything like that at football ? No we wouldn't.
Sorry for being British Joe it seems you have lost that Shame on you.

Your reply earlier was lets say patronising Chief. For one it is there intention of Radicals to force everyone to there beliefs. And another it sounds about right i should leave my own country because of my Britishness !! Bullshit Joe . I have a better idea why dont you and your radical mates sod off to where you are liked. I bet you wouldn't keep your head for long and as i understand it takes a lot longer than 2 mins for them animals to die.
And as for our slaughter houses i admit never been to one and dont want to but i am led to believe they are stunned first (Tell them Swansea are in the Prem) aparo that's knocks em out cold .
Should the Burka be worn in this country ? no way. In there own house no problem. For one they are a security risk as you dont know who the f**k is in that thing. Would we be allowed to wear anything like that at football ? No we wouldn't.
Sorry for being British Joe it seems you have lost that Shame on you.

Are you a vegetarian? Simple question. If not, complaining about animal welfare is hypocritical, cos you condone the murder of animals anyway.

Burqas are a security in certain places, as i have already agreed. But how often do we hear about people dressed in burqas committing crimes? I have never heard of it happening. It seems to be an excuse to ban them when there isnt actually a problem. I here of lots of horrific crimes being committed by non-Muslims without Burqas on though.

here is a photo of two EDL members in Cardiff recently


some more edl types


I regularly see lads with burberry scarves wrapped around their face at the football.

I am proud of the fact that Britain is a multicultural and tollerant country.

Your reply earlier was lets say patronising Chief. For one it is there intention of Radicals to force everyone to there beliefs. And another it sounds about right i should leave my own country because of my Britishness !! Bullshit Joe . I have a better idea why dont you and your radical mates sod off to where you are liked. I bet you wouldn't keep your head for long and as i understand it takes a lot longer than 2 mins for them animals to die.
And as for our slaughter houses i admit never been to one and dont want to but i am led to believe they are stunned first (Tell them Swansea are in the Prem) aparo that's knocks em out cold .
Should the Burka be worn in this country ? no way. In there own house no problem. For one they are a security risk as you dont know who the f**k is in that thing. Would we be allowed to wear anything like that at football ? No we wouldn't.
Sorry for being British Joe it seems you have lost that Shame on you.

Are you a vegetarian? Simple question. If not, complaining about animal welfare is hypocritical, cos you condone the murder of animals anyway.

Burqas are a security in certain places, as i have already agreed. But how often do we hear about people dressed in burqas committing crimes? I have never heard of it happening. It seems to be an excuse to ban them when there isnt actually a problem. I here of lots of horrific crimes being committed by non-Muslims without Burqas on though.

here is a photo of two EDL members in Cardiff recently


some more edl types


I regularly see lads with burberry scarves wrapped around their face at the football.

I am proud of the fact that Britain is a multicultural and tollerant country.

You totally totally totally miss the point, either deliberately or naively.
Britain is a Multi-cultural tolerant country.

Islam is not.

It cares not a jot what colour you are, but if you are not a muslim, then you are a lesser
person. We treat all religions equally, the very ESSENCE of Islam is that it is the one true
faith, and other religions are wrong. The vast majority of Muslims in this country either
support Sharia law, or are not bothered either way. That is frightening. You say the radical
muslims have little or no support from their communities? When the BNP or EDL march, there
are thousands of white, black and asian people out to stop them speaking.

When have the Muslim youths come out against Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza and the likes?
Give me ONE example of Choudary being attacked or forced out of a City by a Muslim group?

To me, this means they either AGREE with the Radicals, or just as bad, are AFRAID to speak
out against Choudary because he has found passages to support his stance in the Holy Koran.

For Evil to prevail, it only takes ONE good person to do nothing!

A) When the white 'radical' groups speak out, the whole of Britain is up in arms

B) When the Radical Muslims are on the soapbox, their own communities say and do nothing.

Which of these sounds suspiciously like the way the Nazi movement in Germany took off? A or B?

Islam is a parasite

Your reply earlier was lets say patronising Chief. For one it is there intention of Radicals to force everyone to there beliefs. And another it sounds about right i should leave my own country because of my Britishness !! Bullshit Joe . I have a better idea why dont you and your radical mates sod off to where you are liked. I bet you wouldn't keep your head for long and as i understand it takes a lot longer than 2 mins for them animals to die.
And as for our slaughter houses i admit never been to one and dont want to but i am led to believe they are stunned first (Tell them Swansea are in the Prem) aparo that's knocks em out cold .
Should the Burka be worn in this country ? no way. In there own house no problem. For one they are a security risk as you dont know who the f**k is in that thing. Would we be allowed to wear anything like that at football ? No we wouldn't.
Sorry for being British Joe it seems you have lost that Shame on you.

Are you a vegetarian? Simple question. If not, complaining about animal welfare is hypocritical, cos you condone the murder of animals anyway.

Burqas are a security in certain places, as i have already agreed. But how often do we hear about people dressed in burqas committing crimes? I have never heard of it happening. It seems to be an excuse to ban them when there isnt actually a problem. I here of lots of horrific crimes being committed by non-Muslims without Burqas on though.

here is a photo of two EDL members in Cardiff recently


some more edl types


I regularly see lads with burberry scarves wrapped around their face at the football.

I am proud of the fact that Britain is a multicultural and tollerant country.

You totally totally totally miss the point, either deliberately or naively.
Britain is a Multi-cultural tolerant country.

Islam is not.

It cares not a jot what colour you are, but if you are not a muslim, then you are a lesser
person. We treat all religions equally, the very ESSENCE of Islam is that it is the one true
faith, and other religions are wrong. The vast majority of Muslims in this country either
support Sharia law, or are not bothered either way. That is frightening. You say the radical
muslims have little or no support from their communities? When the BNP or EDL march, there
are thousands of white, black and asian people out to stop them speaking.

When have the Muslim youths come out against Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza and the likes?
Give me ONE example of Choudary being attacked or forced out of a City by a Muslim group?

To me, this means they either AGREE with the Radicals, or just as bad, are AFRAID to speak
out against Choudary because he has found passages to support his stance in the Holy Koran.

For Evil to prevail, it only takes ONE good person to do nothing!

A) When the white 'radical' groups speak out, the whole of Britain is up in arms

B) When the Radical Muslims are on the soapbox, their own communities say and do nothing.

Which of these sounds suspiciously like the way the Nazi movement in Germany took off? A or B?

Islam is a parasite

You totally totally totally miss the point, either deliberately or naively.
Britain is a Multi-cultural tolerant country.

Islam is not.

It cares not a jot what colour you are, but if you are not a muslim, then you are a lesser
person. We treat all religions equally, the very ESSENCE of Islam is that it is the one true
faith, and other religions are wrong. The vast majority of Muslims in this country either
support Sharia law, or are not bothered either way. That is frightening. You say the radical
muslims have little or no support from their communities? When the BNP or EDL march, there
are thousands of white, black and asian people out to stop them speaking.

When have the Muslim youths come out against Anjem Choudary, Abu Hamza and the likes?
Give me ONE example of Choudary being attacked or forced out of a City by a Muslim group?

To me, this means they either AGREE with the Radicals, or just as bad, are AFRAID to speak
out against Choudary because he has found passages to support his stance in the Holy Koran.

For Evil to prevail, it only takes ONE good person to do nothing!

A) When the white 'radical' groups speak out, the whole of Britain is up in arms

B) When the Radical Muslims are on the soapbox, their own communities say and do nothing.

Which of these sounds suspiciously like the way the Nazi movement in Germany took off? A or B?

Islam is a parasite

Whilst Radical Islam is not very tolerant of multiculturalism, Islam is a very tolerant and peaceful religion. Just like the Bible, the Koran is interpreted in many different ways, but because some muslims are fundamentalists, they get the most publicity and some people think all Muslims are nutters. Not the case. There are 2.6 million of them here, if the majority of them were into wiping out the infidels, we would be hearing about it on news at ten every night.

As for sharia law, again there are different interpretations. it is not all stoning women and cutting hands off.

99.9% of muslims are moderate, like it or not, this is a fact. The local community got together to stop a conference by UK-IC in whitechapel, east London just last month. The Muslim Council of Britain is regularly doing work to undermine extremism. Why was last weeks demo so poorly attended? Because the local community leaders worked to advise people not to attend. Why do they not get heavy handed and confront extremists? - simply because Islam is a peaceful faith, not matter what you would like us to believe.

Abu Hamza was kicked out of Finsbury park Mosque by the local islamic community two years before the old bill decided to nick him.

Racism and extremism are parasites, they aim to divide communities. Islam is no more or less parasitical than any other religion.

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Muslims didnt take long to further take the piss out of our 'tolerant' society

Whilst Radical Islam is not very tolerant of multiculturalism, Islam is a very tolerant and peaceful religion. Just like the Bible, the Koran is interpreted in many different ways

The vast vast difference between Islam and the Bible is that Christianity has evolved. Christian society
is more liberal, people are allowed to question passages in the bible as they see fit. People are allowed
to say Jesus did not exist. The Koran is just as full of inconsistencies as the Bible, but due to their stone
age beliefs, Muslims WILL NOT question or debate ANYTHING written in the Koran, they refuse point blank
to believe anything written in it if it shows Allah or Mohammed in a less than shining light. Whereas in a
Christian society, the overwhelming majority only use the bible as a general guide book to life, if at all.
Paradoxically, because of our liberal ways, our freedoms, our technology, our standards of living, millions
upon millions of Muslims wish to live here. Then look down their noses at us.

Why do they not get heavy handed and confront extremists? - simply because Islam is a peaceful faith, not matter what you would like us to believe.

hmmmm... doesnt seem to stop hundreds of muslim youths rampaging through Cities after
a BNP/EDL march, so your argument falls flat on its face

Islam is no more or less parasitical than any other religion.

Really?... name me one country in the world where Christians are flooding to, and trying to impose
their will on others

TaffyApple I cant agree with you that the average muslim must support the radicals because they dont stand against them. I spent time in Ireland and most of the Irish I knew did not agree with the IRA but dare not speak out against them for repercussions. I'm afraid this is the same for the muslims that live amongst us.

99.9% of muslims are moderate, like it or not, this is a fact.

Evidence please

TaffyApple I cant agree with you that the average muslim must support the radicals because they dont stand against them. I spent time in Ireland and most of the Irish I knew did not agree with the IRA but dare not speak out against them for repercussions. I'm afraid this is the same for the muslims that live amongst us.

Northern Ireland is a pretty good analogy in a way but for different reasons.

The vast majority of Catholics believe that Ulster should become part of Ireland, but that
doesnt mean they agreed with blowing people up.

The vast majority of Muslims are spoon fed "Islam for the world", its a core part of their belief
that all men should be muslims, so they agree with much of what the radicals are calling for. But
that obviously doesnt necessarily mean they all support bombings and murder!

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Muslims didnt take long to further take the piss out of our 'tolerant' society

Whilst Radical Islam is not very tolerant of multiculturalism, Islam is a very tolerant and peaceful religion. Just like the Bible, the Koran is interpreted in many different ways

The vast vast difference between Islam and the Bible is that Christianity has evolved. Christian society
is more liberal, people are allowed to question passages in the bible as they see fit. People are allowed
to say Jesus did not exist. The Koran is just as full of inconsistencies as the Bible, but due to their stone
age beliefs, Muslims WILL NOT question or debate ANYTHING written in the Koran, they refuse point blank
to believe anything written in it if it shows Allah or Mohammed in a less than shining light. Whereas in a
Christian society, the overwhelming majority only use the bible as a general guide book to life, if at all.
Paradoxically, because of our liberal ways, our freedoms, our technology, our standards of living, millions
upon millions of Muslims wish to live here. Then look down their noses at us.

Why do they not get heavy handed and confront extremists? - simply because Islam is a peaceful faith, not matter what you would like us to believe.

hmmmm... doesnt seem to stop hundreds of muslim youths rampaging through Cities after
a BNP/EDL march, so your argument falls flat on its face

Islam is no more or less parasitical than any other religion.

Really?... name me one country in the world where Christians are flooding to, and trying to impose
their will on others

Well done, you have found a case of someone using a Burkah to commit a crime. How many similar crimes have been carried out with baseball hats, beanie hats, ski masks, motor cycle helmets, sun glasses, clown masks etc? Should we ban those as well? Do you want to ban women’s stockings so robbers cannot put them over their head? Why should Muslims have it dictated to them what they can or cannot wear, because of the actions of two criminals in Scotland? That is a classic knee jerk reaction. A case of a solution looking for a problem.

Ah yes, Christianity is far superior to any other religion old bean (can you see the irony in what you have said?)

Millions upon Millions of Muslims come here and look down their nose at us? Of the Muslims you have met, how many have looked down their nose at you? How many have tried to convert you? How many have tired to hurt or kill you? Every Muslim I have met has been civilised and pleasant, not one of them has tried to convert or kill me.

I am sure these people you refer to are out there, but clearly they are not all like that. Non-Muslims are quite capable of looking down their nose at people.

When the EDL come into town anti-fascist counter demos are overwhelmingly dominated by ‘white-British-non-Muslims’. You will be hard pushed to find “hundreds of Muslim youths rampaging through Cities” at these events.

Not sure where you are coming from on the question of “Where Christians are flooding to, and trying to impose their will on others”. I assume you are trying to make out that Muslims are doing that here, which is not the case. Again I ask, in what way have you had Islam imposed upon you? Can you tell me of any Non-Muslim that has had Islam forced upon them?

I can only think of one country where outsiders have gone in and imposed their religion - Israel (ironically, to the detriment of muslims)

99.9% of muslims are moderate, like it or not, this is a fact.

Evidence please

Fair cop, empirical evidence is thin on the ground. It is the figure usually used by politicians, the media, the Muslim community, academics, the security services, the government and just about anyone who has tried to put a figure on it - but to put an actual precise figure on it is difficult given the fluidity of the situation.

Look at it another way. 0.01% of 2.6million is 2600. If there are that many terrorists out there, even if only 10% of them were successful, why are we not seeing terrorist atrocities on our streets every day? Ok - perhaps every day would be pushing it... why have we only had one islamic terrorist atrocity in the UK - EVER? Surely if they were all up for it, someone would have suceeded by now? i know some have been caught plotting, but you dont even see that in the news very often.

I have never denied there are extremists about, but i am struggling to see where this image of there being thousnads if not millions of them comes from. Hown many of you have actually met a fundementalist?

Maybe im wrong here but what about Lockerbie ? how about that guy who tried to blow himself up in a cafe but ended up badly burning himself. That so easily could of been an atrocity

Maybe im wrong here but what about Lockerbie ? how about that guy who tried to blow himself up in a cafe but ended up badly burning himself. That so easily could of been an atrocity

Lockerbie was not about Islam, it was supposedly and act of revenge for US activities in and around Libya.

Not sure what you are referring to with the cafe thing. New one on me. When was this?

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