Can Cardiff be considered as a big club?

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

MINIMAL LOCAL ATTENDANCE INCREASE...

beat it dopey..there are chips on the pavement in Wine street , quick go get a few as spares.

Middlesbrough averaged 23,000 last season, that was after their PL ST sales faded away.

You are averaging that WITH your PL ST sales and no doubt will be around the 17,000 mark next season onwards.

But with regards to what you have specifically narrowed down to bizarrely claim you are bigger “we had more at our games in the PL than the last time they were there” - the difference was 1000. That’s minimal local attendance difference if ever I saw it.

You are barmy.

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

MINIMAL LOCAL ATTENDANCE INCREASE...

beat it dopey..there are chips on the pavement in Wine street , quick go get a few as spares.

Tbh,he does have some good points in there,ive always thought the JBs got lucky on more than one occasion,when we played safe and didn’t hire Toshack,they gambled and did,before that I’d hardly ever heard of Swansea,we only ever played them in the Welsh cup and that was rare,I would say before Tosh went there we had a good fan base right to swansea city limits,then after their 2 seasons in Div 1 the kids who went with their parents are the ones taking their kids now,their 2nd bit of luck was the council building the stadium for them,that and good management propelled them to dizzy heights they’d never imagined possible.
If they got promoted this season they’d never repeat past successes,they’d be like us hanging on for dear life.
The same goes for Leeds,they’ve waited all this time to get back,but the PL has changed since they were last there,they would be clinging on for dear life and for Leeds fans that would be hard to take.

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

MINIMAL LOCAL ATTENDANCE INCREASE...

beat it dopey..there are chips on the pavement in Wine street , quick go get a few as spares.

Middlesbrough averaged 23,000 last season, that was after their PL ST sales faded away.

You are averaging that WITH your PL ST sales and no doubt will be around the 17,000 mark next season onwards.

But with regards to what you have specifically narrowed down to bizarrely claim you are bigger “we had more at our games in the PL than the last time they were there” - the difference was 1000. That’s minimal local attendance difference if ever I saw it.

You are barmy.

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

This forum looks to want to be off with the fairies again. It really is bizarre why everyone feels the need to try and convince each other of the opposite to reality. I guess that’s why everyone who adds a dose of reality gets hushed or banned as quickly as possible.

Cardiff City the football club is a club around the same size of Preston North End maybe? Comparisons to Middlesbrough are barking mad and just shows how deluded people get on here. I remember when people on here were claiming Cardiff was the same size as Everton too.

Everybody knows that next season attendances will be similar to the ones we get now, once the people that bought ST’s when you were in the PL don’t bother renewing. 16500-17500 average putting you are pubs mid table in home support. Last time round you were also in the bottom 4 for away support.

Last major trophy was almost 100 years ago that nobody alive was at an age to remember it... unless you have a 100 year old fan who was 8 at the time maybe?

Saying “if we won this that or the other” then we would be huge... aye, so would most. If we won the Champions league and challenged for the title we would get 40,000+ regular if we have the stadium to handle the demand. However saying it and actually achieving it are very different things. If Rushden and Diamonds won the EPL back to back 4 times in a row they would also average 35,000+ without question. Not sure what the point is?

barking.
our prem crowds last year were bigger than boros last time they were there.
our average crowds over the last 10 years more than Boros over the same period.
our biggest ever crowd bigger than theirs
our biggest season average crowd bigger than theirs
our STs went on sale in March unlike yourselves ...who had a buy your hubby a ST for xmas promo..
so stop sucking lemons and start going to school

You are just purely talking about minimal local attendance increases though. That’s not even close to how you measure a size of the club. Middlesbrough fans have seen 15 seasons of PL football, the novelty factor isn’t there. Comparing that to a fleeting appearance from you when your fans are clamouring to see Aguero for the first time is hardly a comparison. In your situation I have no doubt the longer you stay there the less your crowds would be - not the other way around. The evidence of that fanbase is clear and will show itself next season and am willing to bet with you if you wish that your attendance average won’t be above 18,000 slotting you around mid table in the Championship for home averages right by us.

Newcastle have pretty much always had bigger attendances than Liverpool in the last 30 years. Aston Villa have roughly the same attendances at Juventus. However if they played in a neutral venue in Europe or the rest of the world in a stadium with 100,000 capacity - both Liverpool and Juve would dwarf the attendance of the Newcastle or Villa game respectively.

Boro have only ever spent 2 seasons outside the top 2 tiers of football, around 60 at the top level, including 15 PL seasons, got to a European Final and won a major trophy in living memory.

Yet you are claiming you are a bigger club because of minuscule local attendance differences? In fact, I am pretty sure that after your PL ST’s are gone this season, they will have a bigger attendance than you anyway to add to that list.

MINIMAL LOCAL ATTENDANCE INCREASE...

beat it dopey..there are chips on the pavement in Wine street , quick go get a few as spares.

Tbh,he does have some good points in there,ive always thought the JBs got lucky on more than one occasion,when we played safe and didn’t hire Toshack,they gambled and did,before that I’d hardly ever heard of Swansea,we only ever played them in the Welsh cup and that was rare,I would say before Tosh went there we had a good fan base right to swansea city limits,then after their 2 seasons in Div 1 the kids who went with their parents are the ones taking their kids now,their 2nd bit of luck was the council building the stadium for them,that and good management propelled them to dizzy heights they’d never imagined possible.
If they got promoted this season they’d never repeat past successes,they’d be like us hanging on for dear life.
The same goes for Leeds,they’ve waited all this time to get back,but the PL has changed since they were last there,they would be clinging on for dear life and for Leeds fans that would be hard to take.

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I only responded to his barking remark...and didn't read the 2nd post past that minimal local crap...
if your going to make statements make sure they are right...bloke isn't a jack either btw that's obvious

Absolutely not.

It's a big city with a football club with little ambition.

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

give up...you made a claim...I put a more accurate slant on it , using facts and not some mixed up drug induced thoughts.
worry about your own club eh. whatever club that maybe be this week

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

give up...you made a claim...I put a more accurate slant on it , using facts and not some mixed up drug induced thoughts.
worry about your own club eh. whatever club that maybe be this week

There was no claim, I just stated the obvious and gave a millions facts as to why it’s obvious.

You then selected some odd parameters (attendance last time both were in the PL) even though they were under vastly differing circumstances and assumed that would be enough. Once you were pressed as to whether you actually believe that, then you backed off refusing to state whether you did or not. Probably wisely.

So would you like to clarify to the thread if you believe Cardiff are a bigger club than Middlesborough

You melon.

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

give up...you made a claim...I put a more accurate slant on it , using facts and not some mixed up drug induced thoughts.
worry about your own club eh. whatever club that maybe be this week

There was no claim, I just stated the obvious and gave a millions facts as to why it’s obvious.

You then selected some odd parameters (attendance last time both were in the PL) even though they were under vastly differing circumstances and assumed that would be enough. Once you were pressed as to whether you actually believe that, then you backed off refusing to state whether you did or not. Probably wisely.

So would you like to clarify to the thread if you believe Cardiff are a bigger club than Middlesborough

You melon.

so there was no claim by any Cardiff fan that we were bigger or as big as Boro… correct.
you made it up then argued with yourself.. correct
put a million facts up .......in correct..

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

give up...you made a claim...I put a more accurate slant on it , using facts and not some mixed up drug induced thoughts.
worry about your own club eh. whatever club that maybe be this week

There was no claim, I just stated the obvious and gave a millions facts as to why it’s obvious.

You then selected some odd parameters (attendance last time both were in the PL) even though they were under vastly differing circumstances and assumed that would be enough. Once you were pressed as to whether you actually believe that, then you backed off refusing to state whether you did or not. Probably wisely.

So would you like to clarify to the thread if you believe Cardiff are a bigger club than Middlesborough

You melon.

so there was no claim by any Cardiff fan that we were bigger or as big as Boro… correct.
you made it up then argued with yourself.. correct
put a million facts up .......in correct..

Arguing? I’m not arguing with anybody, I was discussing how comparisons to teams like Middlesborough is barking mad.

You then narrowed down some odd parameters for yet more comparisons and then backed away from them as quick as a flash as soon as you were pressed on the reasoning behind those comparisons.

So again, feel free to let us know if you think Cardiff City FC is as big or bigger than Middlesbrough FC. Confirmation of which may make this one of the most entertaining threads in recent history... well at least as far back as the last melon who compared the clubs size to Everton anyway

I haven't claimed anything , just put some facts up..
haven't you got a UXB to sort out

So you weren’t claiming to be bigger than Middlesbrough then?

Cool, then we both agree.

give up...you made a claim...I put a more accurate slant on it , using facts and not some mixed up drug induced thoughts.
worry about your own club eh. whatever club that maybe be this week

There was no claim, I just stated the obvious and gave a millions facts as to why it’s obvious.

You then selected some odd parameters (attendance last time both were in the PL) even though they were under vastly differing circumstances and assumed that would be enough. Once you were pressed as to whether you actually believe that, then you backed off refusing to state whether you did or not. Probably wisely.

So would you like to clarify to the thread if you believe Cardiff are a bigger club than Middlesborough

You melon.

so there was no claim by any Cardiff fan that we were bigger or as big as Boro… correct.
you made it up then argued with yourself.. correct
put a million facts up .......in correct..

Arguing? I’m not arguing with anybody, I was discussing how comparisons to teams like Middlesborough is barking mad.

You then narrowed down some odd parameters for yet more comparisons and then backed away from them as quick as a flash as soon as you were pressed on the reasoning behind those comparisons.

So again, feel free to let us know if you think Cardiff City FC is as big or bigger than Middlesbrough FC. Confirmation of which may make this one of the most entertaining threads in recent history... well at least as far back as the last melon who compared the clubs size to Everton anyway

its everton now...go pick some rose petals...

its everton now...go pick some rose petals...

What is Everton now?

You feeling ok? You seem to have taken reality hard

No.

There are many clubs bigger than us in our league and below.

Forest, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Fulham, West Brom, Ipswich, Bolton etc


We may have a new and bigger stadium compared to some of those and currently be in a higher league than some of them, but it doesn't make us a bigger club. If the football pyramid was based on attendances, Bournemouth wouldn't be where they are.

In my view, you judge it on history. In the last 60 odd years, we've had two seasons in the top flight. We've won the FA Cup once. That doesn't constitute a big club.

It's for that reason I say Man City have a long long way to go to be bigger than Man Utd. In fact, there's nobody in the English pyramid who are anywhere near close to being as big as Liverpool and Man Utd.

I can guarantee the majority of football fans in the UK don't see us as a big club, nowhere near.

Ipswich, Bolton, Fulham and Portsmouth aren’t big clubs, the latter three don’t even pull 20,000 crowds ever

Like I said, it's not based on attendances.

No.

There are many clubs bigger than us in our league and below.

Forest, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Leeds, Middlesbrough, Fulham, West Brom, Ipswich, Bolton etc


We may have a new and bigger stadium compared to some of those and currently be in a higher league than some of them, but it doesn't make us a bigger club. If the football pyramid was based on attendances, Bournemouth wouldn't be where they are.

In my view, you judge it on history. In the last 60 odd years, we've had two seasons in the top flight. We've won the FA Cup once. That doesn't constitute a big club.

It's for that reason I say Man City have a long long way to go to be bigger than Man Utd. In fact, there's nobody in the English pyramid who are anywhere near close to being as big as Liverpool and Man Utd.

I can guarantee the majority of football fans in the UK don't see us as a big club, nowhere near.

Ipswich, Bolton, Fulham and Portsmouth aren’t big clubs, the latter three don’t even pull 20,000 crowds ever

Like I said, it's not based on attendances.

At last the voice of reason