UPDATED: £6.6 MILLION PLUS COSTING CARDIFF CITY FC

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

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It’s Unbelievable that certain nit pickers try to twist the facts / evidence of the £6.6M we are liable for this season in interest alone plus Dalmans & Choo’s Wages.

Finally just admit when your wrong and accept Tans Regime are running our club to suit them and charging Our Club big interest.

I should have been more detailed yesterday TBH Annis but I'm flat out at the moment. I won't repost the screenshots as evidence as you've already done it but here are the calcs based on what's clearly reported in there and available for all to see on Companies House:

EXISTING & NEW LOANS FOR THIS SEASON:
1: VT - £36,447,000 @ 7% = £2,551,290
2: Torman £26,300,000 @ 9% = £2,367,000
3: "New Loan" 18,870,000 @ 9% = £1,698,300
TOTAL: £6,616,590 PA

OTHER LISTED INTEREST BEARING LOANS:
4: Director of £Nil £2,000,000 @ 9% = £180,000 PA

So the total could be as high as £6,796,590 PA

The last reported accounts for 2022/23 only shows circa £2M in interest paid out on loans so I presume the lenders have agreed to defer the rest of the interest owed to them for some reason (FFP etc?).What this means in effect is that the deferred interest payments could be added to their existing loans making them even bigger which will then attract the appropriate interest rate.

I hope that finally clarifies things for Wez and the other two.

It should do and thank you Paul.

Very Sad state of affairs Our Club has become.

im guessing wez is coming up with a plan with keith on a response ?

quick to jump all over me for posting it until the facts get shown on here

im guessing wez is coming up with a plan with keith on a response ?

quick to jump all over me for posting it until the facts get shown on here

Kyle,

Just a quick apology would go a long way and then admit this Current Regime are Destroying OUR CLUB.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?







GrangeEndStar Wrote:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.[/quote]


I should have been more detailed yesterday TBH Annis but I'm flat out at the moment. I won't repost the screenshots as evidence as you've already done it but here are the calcs based on what's clearly reported in there and available for all to see on Companies House:

EXISTING & NEW LOANS FOR THIS SEASON:
1: VT - £36,447,000 @ 7% = £2,551,290
2: Torman £26,300,000 @ 9% = £2,367,000
3: "New Loan" 18,870,000 @ 9% = £1,698,300
TOTAL: £6,616,590 PA

OTHER LISTED INTEREST BEARING LOANS:
4: Director of £Nil £2,000,000 @ 9% = £180,000 PA

So the total could be as high as £6,796,590 PA

The last reported accounts for 2022/23 only shows circa £2M in interest paid out on loans so I presume the lenders have agreed to defer the rest of the interest owed to them for some reason (FFP etc?).What this means in effect is that the deferred interest payments could be added to their existing loans making them even bigger which will then attract the appropriate interest rate.

I hope that finally clarifies things for Wez and the other two.

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The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

Wez, what is it going to take for you to see the facts infront of you ?

It's there in black and white, maybe you need dalman or tan to tell you before you believe it ?

You know from this now the club is a shit show under this board but you can't find the grain within you just to say it. Surley you are now tired and fed up of defending this failing board?

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

Are you really serious Wez you are joking, just go back through everything that’s been written in plain English, you are either a Comedian or as thick as shit.

It’s certainly not going to be explained to you again.


You go through this Topic it’s all their in b/w.

Grangendstar aka Paul has totally explained it for you, you’ve been coming back on the forum non stop looking for hrs.


A it takes a real man to apologise to Paul and Kyle

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

Are you really serious Wez you are joking, just go back through everything that’s been written in plain English, you are either a Comedian or as thick as shit.


It’s certainly not going to be explained to you again.


You go through this Topic it’s all their in b/w.

Grangendstar aka Paul has totally explained it for you, you’ve been coming back on the forum non stop looking for hrs.


A it takes a real man to apologise to Paul and Kyle

Annis please get an account to go through it with you ffs everything you highlighted proved my point , oringally you've said that 6 million was paid out last season in intrest that affected ffp which it didn't it was half that , loans fron tan were put in but converted , basically costing nothing it might say at a rate up to 7% or 9% but historically in reality it was either written off or converted , they're was a screen shot that seems to have disappeared which is very strange hmmmmmm which i could of picked apart , please put up the proof that 6.6 million was physically paid out intrest! And it affect ffp .



GrangeEndStar Wrote:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.[/quote]


I should have been more detailed yesterday TBH Annis but I'm flat out at the moment. I won't repost the screenshots as evidence as you've already done it but here are the calcs based on what's clearly reported in there and available for all to see on Companies House:

EXISTING & NEW LOANS FOR THIS SEASON:
1: VT - £36,447,000 @ 7% = £2,551,290
2: Torman £26,300,000 @ 9% = £2,367,000
3: "New Loan" 18,870,000 @ 9% = £1,698,300
TOTAL: £6,616,590 PA

OTHER LISTED INTEREST BEARING LOANS:
4: Director of £Nil £2,000,000 @ 9% = £180,000 PA

So the total could be as high as £6,796,590 PA

The last reported accounts for 2022/23 only shows circa £2M in interest paid out on loans so I presume the lenders have agreed to defer the rest of the interest owed to them for some reason (FFP etc?).What this means in effect is that the deferred interest payments could be added to their existing loans making them even bigger which will then attract the appropriate interest rate.

I hope that finally clarifies things for Wez and the other two.

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

Are you really serious Wez you are joking, just go back through everything that’s been written in plain English, you are either a Comedian or as thick as shit.
It’s certainly not going to be explained to you again.
You go through this Topic it’s all their in b/w.

Grangendstar aka Paul has totally explained it for you, you’ve been coming back on the forum non stop looking for hrs.


A it takes a real man to apologise to Paul and Kyle

Annis please get an account to go through it with you ffs everything you highlighted proved my point , oringally you've said that 6 million was paid out last season in intrest that affected ffp which it didn't it was half that , loans fron tan were put in but converted , basically costing nothing it might say at a rate up to 7% or 9% but historically in reality it was either written off or converted , they're was a screen shot that seems to have disappeared which is very strange hmmmmmm which i could of picked apart , please put up the proof that 6.6 million was physically paid out intrest! And it affect ffp .



GrangeEndStar Wrote:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

I should have been more detailed yesterday TBH Annis but I'm flat out at the moment. I won't repost the screenshots as evidence as you've already done it but here are the calcs based on what's clearly reported in there and available for all to see on Companies House:

EXISTING & NEW LOANS FOR THIS SEASON:
1: VT - £36,447,000 @ 7% = £2,551,290
2: Torman £26,300,000 @ 9% = £2,367,000
3: "New Loan" 18,870,000 @ 9% = £1,698,300
TOTAL: £6,616,590 PA

OTHER LISTED INTEREST BEARING LOANS:
4: Director of £Nil £2,000,000 @ 9% = £180,000 PA

So the total could be as high as £6,796,590 PA

The last reported accounts for 2022/23 only shows circa £2M in interest paid out on loans so I presume the lenders have agreed to defer the rest of the interest owed to them for some reason (FFP etc?).What this means in effect is that the deferred interest payments could be added to their existing loans making them even bigger which will then attract the appropriate interest rate.

I hope that finally clarifies things for Wez and the other two.[/quote]



Wez,

Grangendstar has written just for you.


It's now all been explained in the most simplest terms that even a child could understand. I think it's just beyond your grasp.


Why don’t you go in to depth, easy to reply to him in one liners like Paul has done very patiently and and a child could read.
To complicated for you, nothing more I will say on the matter.

If I said 3+4 =7 you would say it’s wrong

If their is anything missing you have the accounts put it out here and YOU EXPLAIN IN DETAIL??



WEZ YOU HAVE ALL THE ACCOUNTS / SHOW THEN WHAT YOU SAY IS MISSING IN A PHOTO PLEASE?

I honestly give up.

Accounts clearly state that Tormen were paid £1,642,947interest in the last accounts The accounts also state the total repayment of interest was £2,000,0500 in total where in the accounts does it state we paid 6.6 million out ? .You can skirt around different parts of the accounts to try and adjust the topic and edit the original op post all you like but the fact it's 6.6 million hasn't been physically paid out in intrest ! .This thread has gone from 6 millionwas paid out in inrest preventing us from spending it coz of ffp , to trying to show the debt and intrest payments in another way but it still void down to in reality your figures for the ffp are over 50% wrongyou know fully we the op original post was blown apart and then you had to try changing it today to suit the normal agenda ignoring other parts of the accounts .

Wez, you need to go back to school asap or get maths lessons

Wez, you need to go back to school asap or get maths lessons

Oh the irony show me where in the accounts it says we paid out 6.6 million in interest payments and not some dodgy working out on a message board from a poster that tbh is being used here . The offical accounts say in total we paid out just over 2 million in interest payments that's a 100% fact it's there in black and white ! .

Wez mate, you need a holiday or a piss up, your becoming very confused and nothing will add up with you as you seem to want the last reply no matter how dumb you are starting to look.The OP and GraneEndStar have posted simple wordings and maths for you, don’t make yourself look anymore foolish

Wez mate, you need a holiday or a piss up, your becoming very confused and nothing will add up with you as you seem to want the last reply no matter how dumb you are starting to look.The OP and GraneEndStar have posted simple wordings and maths for you, don’t make yourself look anymore foolish

It doesn't add up to the accounts tho that's my point the working out doesn't match the reality of the payout in intrest , please show me that we physically paid out over 6 million that affected ffp ? .you can't because it wasn't paid out .

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

Where the 6.6 million come from the figures dont match it in the accounts , what you've highlighted says up to 7% and up to 9% but the accounts don't show that ?

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

Blue

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

No idea what your talking about anything being altered.
Tan could do what he likes with his loan interest and debt.

But what about Tormen and the New Loan? Are you saying they will do the same? If so, why even state that they want interest on their loans and just say it's not interest bearing just like Tan sons £3M states?

It's that simple and the easiest thing for you to say is that you just don't understand it and stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. And also stop accusing people of making things up and being used whilst your at it.

Last edited by GrangeEndStar on Tue May 28, 2024 7:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Wez mate I’ve been reading this topic and previous ones and you seem to be on another planet?
Why don’t you put the correct figures out then?
Why do you put all photos up of the accounts if your saying GrangeEndStar is putting false photos up?
Come on?

Blue

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

No idea what your talking about anything being altered.
Tan could do what he likes with his loan interest and debt.

But what about Tormen and the New Loan? Are you saying they will do the same? If so, why even state that they want interest on their loans and just say it's not interest bearing just like Tan sons £3M states?

It's that simple and the easiest thing for you to say is that you just don't understand it and stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. And also stop accusing people of making things up and being used whilst your at it.

You have totally changed your original post ,and the way I see it you are digging a bigger hole by changing it all to liabilities, the fact is for ffp it was around 2 million on the accounts not the 6 million that people jumped all over .I will agree to disagree with you over the agenda changing on the op .the facts are 2 million was paid out not 6 million in physical cash in the laar accounts and in all previous years most intrest was written off .

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Wez mate I’ve been reading this topic and previous ones and you seem to be on another planet?
Why don’t you put the correct figures out then?
Why do you put all photos up of the accounts if your saying GrangeEndStar is putting false photos up?
Come on?

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Wez mate I’ve been reading this topic and previous ones and you seem to be on another planet?
Why don’t you put the correct figures out then?
Why do you put all photos up of the accounts if your saying GrangeEndStar is putting false photos up?
Come on?

The correct intrest figure I've put out in previous post the accounts clearly state that Tormen were paid £1,642,947 interest in the last accounts not £2.5m. The accounts also state the total repayment of interest was £2,000,050. It's not hard maybe I'm on the right planet ay .

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Wez mate I’ve been reading this topic and previous ones and you seem to be on another planet?
Why don’t you put the correct figures out then?
Why do you put all photos up of the accounts if your saying GrangeEndStar is putting false photos up?
Come on?

The correct intrest figure I've put out in previous post the accounts clearly state that Tormen were paid £1,642,947 interest in the last accounts not £2.5m. The accounts also state the total repayment of interest was £2,000,050. It's not hard maybe I'm on the right planet ay .

Wez, mate I am interested in your full adding up and all the photos which disprove GrangeEndStar and the accounts that you say he’s photo shopped?
Serious allegations mate?

Annis, I think this is down to not all of us being business minded and see figures on here but see different figures on accounts ( when they get posted ), I appreciate GrangeEndStar putting it in layman's terms but agree with Wez that over the last few months especially it looks like certain posters are just plucking figures from thin air.
Football business is in £££££m so a figure of 3m compared to say 6m might mean nowt to a club but means he'll of a lot to us mere mortals lol.
We all know we're in crap Street again but let's have facts please so at least us fans who only get info from here can see it in reality.

I always put facts out Jules,

I always stand by them, I appreciate as well how Grangendstar has tried to explain how badly run our club is and it’s Sadly True.

His figures are virtually spot on.

Sadly this does not getaway from the fact that our club is being run badly.


The next accounts will without a doubt show how much interest we are paying on monies we are borrowing Over £6mill interest and yet we were told we don’t borrow and we don’t get charged anything and there are No worries as it’s all Tans money.




This proves his figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Thanks Annis, think what I'm trying to say is there's bound to be figures thrown around because the f*cking clowns who are supposed be running the show are so silent.

I just want the correct figures put out so people can make there own minds up, I'm pretty consistent on many topics on this forum in that .

Wez mate I’ve been reading this topic and previous ones and you seem to be on another planet?
Why don’t you put the correct figures out then?
Why do you put all photos up of the accounts if your saying GrangeEndStar is putting false photos up?
Come on?

The correct intrest figure I've put out in previous post the accounts clearly state that Tormen were paid £1,642,947 interest in the last accounts not £2.5m. The accounts also state the total repayment of interest was £2,000,050. It's not hard maybe I'm on the right planet ay .

I am interested in your full adding up and all the photos which disprove GrangeEndStar and the accounts that you say he’s photo shopped?
Serious allegations mate?

Read the accounts, I haven't said that the screen shots are false or photo shopped ffs your making that up .it's the interpretation of them that had been misinterpreted on this thread . The op that has been edited and updated since yesterday said we paid out 6 million in interest that effect ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't , intrest payment that were paid out in total was accounts clearly state that Tormen were paid £1,642,947 , The accounts also state the total repayment of interest was £2,000,050. It's in black and white read the accounts ffs .

Blue

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

No idea what your talking about anything being altered.
Tan could do what he likes with his loan interest and debt.

But what about Tormen and the New Loan? Are you saying they will do the same? If so, why even state that they want interest on their loans and just say it's not interest bearing just like Tan sons £3M states?

It's that simple and the easiest thing for you to say is that you just don't understand it and stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. And also stop accusing people of making things up and being used whilst your at it.

You have totally changed your original post ,and the way I see it you are digging a bigger hole by changing it all to liabilities, the fact is for ffp it was around 2 million on the accounts not the 6 million that people jumped all over .I will agree to disagree with you over the agenda changing on the op .the facts are 2 million was paid out not 6 million in physical cash in the laar accounts and in all previous years most intrest was written off .

Wez - I can't change any posts and wouldn't even if I could.

I've already said whats been paid out and what hasn't. And it's £2M out leaving £4.6M not paid out thus deferred or delayed in laymans terms. And not £6M paid out which you've just said so you've got that wrong too.

I put my hand up today and said I'll explain the detail along with evidence which I've done. So just admit your wrong and I'll thow a rope down that massive hole and you can climb out. And Kyle is still waiting for that apology too.

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where has the original post gone ?the 1st post is by Kyle now not GrangeEndStar.

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Blue

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

No idea what your talking about anything being altered.
Tan could do what he likes with his loan interest and debt.

But what about Tormen and the New Loan? Are you saying they will do the same? If so, why even state that they want interest on their loans and just say it's not interest bearing just like Tan sons £3M states?

It's that simple and the easiest thing for you to say is that you just don't understand it and stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. And also stop accusing people of making things up and being used whilst your at it.

You have totally changed your original post ,and the way I see it you are digging a bigger hole by changing it all to liabilities, the fact is for ffp it was around 2 million on the accounts not the 6 million that people jumped all over .I will agree to disagree with you over the agenda changing on the op .the facts are 2 million was paid out not 6 million in physical cash in the laar accounts and in all previous years most intrest was written off .

Wez - I can't change any posts and wouldn't even if I could.

I've already said whats been paid out and what hasn't. And it's £2M out leaving £4.6M not paid out thus deferred or delayed in laymans terms. And not £6M paid out which you've just said so you've got that wrong too.

I put my hand up today and said I'll explain the detail along with evidence which I've done. So just admit your wrong and I'll thow a rope down that massive hole and you can climb out. And Kyle is still waiting for that apology too.

No you can't only a mod can,so notvyoyr fault, I've just asked annis where the different delated posts have gone .

The posters Criticising Grangendstar and Kyle should be Thanking them for letting Our Fans know what’s really going on and putting it in layman’s terms.


YES THEIR IS A SOLUTION / TAN HAS HAD 3 OFFERS / BUT THE MAD MAN WANTS BETWEEN £200 MILL - £250 MILL.

FANS HAVE TO TURN ON THE REGIME:


Borrowing and More Borrowing is not the solution, if you can’t afford the rum the Club Sell up at a Fair Price:






This proves Grangendstars figures are accurate and it's what we will be paying in the current accounting year for the new season.
£6,616,590 in interest:

Plus there's another £2M @9% loan that everyone else has missed, highlighted in yellow.

Where has the original post gone ?the 1st post is by Kyle now not GrangeEndStar.

The first post was by Kyle as he created the thread. Nobody has changed anything. I just commented on it. Keep up at the back.

Blue

This is the last time I'm going to bother replying to you as it's all been explained above so I'll put it in even more simple terms for you to try to finally grasp.

1: The accounts show loans that equate to £6.6M in interest liability. See the screenshots and read my earlier detailed simple explanation.

2: The accounts show that only £2M was actually paid out. Not £6.6M.

3: This means that there is £4.6M in interest payments due that have been deferred to be paid at a later date.

There is also another listed loan for £2M at up to 9% which I haven't included in the above but it's there highlighted in yellow in the screenshots.

It really couldn't be any clearer.

But liability may never be paid as Tan converts his intrest and debt each year ?, you never said liability in your original post did you ? . Potentially yes it " COULD " But in reality it hasn't has it in the past just read through the last 10 years and you'll see that ? , annis even said in his replys backed up by you that it's effects ffp to the tune of 6 million which it doesn't the 2 million figure is only counted yes ? Not all liabilities, if you going to put something out then please be factually correct , your original post has been altered yes ? .I would have more respect for you on the financial matters if it's report correctly.

No idea what your talking about anything being altered.
Tan could do what he likes with his loan interest and debt.

But what about Tormen and the New Loan? Are you saying they will do the same? If so, why even state that they want interest on their loans and just say it's not interest bearing just like Tan sons £3M states?

It's that simple and the easiest thing for you to say is that you just don't understand it and stop digging a bigger hole for yourself. And also stop accusing people of making things up and being used whilst your at it.

You have totally changed your original post ,and the way I see it you are digging a bigger hole by changing it all to liabilities, the fact is for ffp it was around 2 million on the accounts not the 6 million that people jumped all over .I will agree to disagree with you over the agenda changing on the op .the facts are 2 million was paid out not 6 million in physical cash in the laar accounts and in all previous years most intrest was written off .

Wez - I can't change any posts and wouldn't even if I could.

I've already said whats been paid out and what hasn't. And it's £2M out leaving £4.6M not paid out thus deferred or delayed in laymans terms. And not £6M paid out which you've just said so you've got that wrong too.

I put my hand up today and said I'll explain the detail along with evidence which I've done. So just admit your wrong and I'll thow a rope down that massive hole and you can climb out. And Kyle is still waiting for that apology too.

It's not me that said 6 million was paid out it was you and annis in the original posts that have disappeared so I'm not wrong at all , I glad you actually admitted today that 2 million was paid out in intrest and you've corrected your wrong post from yesterday which you never ever mentioned liabilities. But I would like to know why posts have been altered and deleted. You are no longer the 1st post on the thread , Kyle is the original now not you , .