Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:53 pm
Lengee wrote:So terrbly wrong and sad that 17,000 young Palestian children killed by Israel. All lives should be of equal value no matter what nationality. I feel ashamed that UK is providing arms.
Israel ignores ‘advice’ from its allies and continues to escalate its killing and land grabbing…. Yet we continue to supply arms. Makes no sense at all. As John Lennon said …”…. All we are saying is give peace a chance.”
[Hope the honest opinion above is not offensive to anyone- and if anyone has a more pro Israel opinion, that they will be treated with respect and not banned! Free speech is important in any ForumI!] eel ashamed that the UK .
Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:16 am
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Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:46 pm
Cardiff Exile wrote:I have lived in the London area since 1972 with the exception of 2 years in my early 20s. Contributors here in this thread have stated that Jews have unreasonable financial/ governmental clout. There are many hundreds of Jews I have met since coming to London and I am sorry but I simply don’t understand this description. Sure, most of them are “middle class” but I know of none who are incredibly wealthy nor in government.
Rishi Sunak is Asian; 2 of the final 4 in the Tory leadership campaign are black although Cleverly has lost out. In my area the wealthy are mainly Asians living in £3-5 million homes (not me!). None of these politicians are Jewish so far as I am aware. And I am definitely NOT anti-Asian.
Please can contributors supply names of people from the Jewish faith whom they believe have undue influence plus the countries they are active in. Trump, Biden and Harris in the US definitely aren’t Jews. To me the statements about undue Jewish influence is nothing other than racist. Netanyahu is one nasty individual I agree as is his war cabinet. But I disagree with the generalisation about Jews having unfair influence and affecting the world scenario. Where does this strange idea emanate from? Please educate me!
I agree about Palestine having been treated harshly in 1947 but today’s Israel isn’t responsible for this. I think Jews were offered a territory at that time in or near Uganda, but this never came to fruition. Don’t know much about this period of history to be honest, but the Jewish survivors of the concentration camps came out looking like matchsticks and Britain plus the allies didn’t treat the displaced Jews well and prevented many entering what is now Israel for 3 years after the cessation of hostilities in 1945.
Cardiff City don’t agree with racism - this is clearly stated in their mandate. I am NOT telling them about this thread as I don’t care enough to fall out with my fellow City fans. However, I think we should cease criticising Jews so vehemently - Israel maybe but not Jewish people in general. Both sides have their case in my opinion and, frankly, where this sorry current situation is going to end I/we just don’t know.
There could be a semblance of peace restored if BOTH Israel and Palestinians rooted out Hamas from Gaza. They should maybe work on this together to defeat Hamas who are no friends of Palestine. Gaza simply use Gaza and it’s inhabitants without any care about the local population ie in general Palestinians.
So I see no proof of undue Jewish influence in late 2024 in Britain nor elsewhere. The Jewish population is less than 350,000 in the UK meaning they are a time minority here compared with other immigrant races.That statement about Jews is reminiscent of 1920/30s German Nazis. Ultimately they were hammered in WW2.
So our criticism about Jews on this board does us discredit in my opinion.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:30 am
pembroke allan wrote:Annis read interesting article that shows why Netanyahu ignoring usa and rest world?
Netanyahu tricked usa to assisnate the leader of irans elite overseas soldiers (mossard equal) years ago since then Israel believes that no matter what they do usa will always back them as we are seeing now... plus Netanyahu knows that it's election year in usa and no one willing to risk election by
Stopping Israel eliminate designated terrorist groups in Lebanon or gaza.. innocent civilians are incidental to defeating hamaz and hysballah ? Get impression if Israel killed everyone in gaza and Lebanon usa will still say Israel had right yo defend itself... as for Iran Netanyahu is planning to drag usa into conflict as they cannot risk doing it on own as Iran as enough bombs ect to seriously damage Israeli city's so need yanks fire power to destroy Iranian infrastructure like did in gulf war... after doing this Israel can displace pallastinians anywhere they like. As no one to oppose them not even usa would stop them.... Netanyahu needs to be taken out ASAP to stop all out war being started by him and his right wing murderers
Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:15 am
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Annis read interesting article that shows why Netanyahu ignoring usa and rest world?
Netanyahu tricked usa to assisnate the leader of irans elite overseas soldiers (mossard equal) years ago since then Israel believes that no matter what they do usa will always back them as we are seeing now... plus Netanyahu knows that it's election year in usa and no one willing to risk election by
Stopping Israel eliminate designated terrorist groups in Lebanon or gaza.. innocent civilians are incidental to defeating hamaz and hysballah ? Get impression if Israel killed everyone in gaza and Lebanon usa will still say Israel had right yo defend itself... as for Iran Netanyahu is planning to drag usa into conflict as they cannot risk doing it on own as Iran as enough bombs ect to seriously damage Israeli city's so need yanks fire power to destroy Iranian infrastructure like did in gulf war... after doing this Israel can displace pallastinians anywhere they like. As no one to oppose them not even usa would stop them.... Netanyahu needs to be taken out ASAP to stop all out war being started by him and his right wing murderers
Allan,
Netanyahu is ignoring everyone and will continue to do this while he is fully backed financially and weapons by USA.
The Northern area of Gaza is surrounded and 250,000 Palestinian have had NO food allowed in for 2 Weeks, this is beyond and yet their are still 5% still sticking up for Israel, for me they are as bad as Israel.
How anyone can try and justify the Massacre of 42,000 Palestinians, 17,000 Children, Homes and Land Destroyed it’s beyond me, must be Very Sick Evil Persons to try and even think of Justifying.
Oh by the way Allan, I see some unknown name is trying to twist things which is unbelievable when the whole World is seeing the Truth, We are not against Jews, it’s Israel the Government their and people their I am blaming and I grew up liking all Races, My Father as I have Proudly Said so many times was Egyptian and My Fathers Best Friend who was My God Father was Jewish, born in Cardiff.
This is about Israel, Their Government and Their IDF , they are doing a Genocide on Palestine.
And yes I want everyone to see this thread, 170,000 views so far, it’s on all the News 24/7 nothing new, its exactly what’s being put out on the honesty Main Stream Media.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:29 am
Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:42 am
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Annis read interesting article that shows why Netanyahu ignoring usa and rest world?
Netanyahu tricked usa to assisnate the leader of irans elite overseas soldiers (mossard equal) years ago since then Israel believes that no matter what they do usa will always back them as we are seeing now... plus Netanyahu knows that it's election year in usa and no one willing to risk election by
Stopping Israel eliminate designated terrorist groups in Lebanon or gaza.. innocent civilians are incidental to defeating hamaz and hysballah ? Get impression if Israel killed everyone in gaza and Lebanon usa will still say Israel had right yo defend itself... as for Iran Netanyahu is planning to drag usa into conflict as they cannot risk doing it on own as Iran as enough bombs ect to seriously damage Israeli city's so need yanks fire power to destroy Iranian infrastructure like did in gulf war... after doing this Israel can displace pallastinians anywhere they like. As no one to oppose them not even usa would stop them.... Netanyahu needs to be taken out ASAP to stop all out war being started by him and his right wing murderers
Allan,
Netanyahu is ignoring everyone and will continue to do this while he is fully backed financially and weapons by USA.
The Northern area of Gaza is surrounded and 250,000 Palestinian have had NO food allowed in for 2 Weeks, this is beyond and yet their are still 5% still sticking up for Israel, for me they are as bad as Israel.
How anyone can try and justify the Massacre of 42,000 Palestinians, 17,000 Children, Homes and Land Destroyed it’s beyond me, must be Very Sick Evil Persons to try and even think of Justifying.
Oh by the way Allan, I see some unknown name is trying to twist things which is unbelievable when the whole World is seeing the Truth, We are not against Jews, it’s Israel the Government their and people their I am blaming and I grew up liking all Races, My Father as I have Proudly Said so many times was Egyptian and My Fathers Best Friend who was My God Father was Jewish, born in Cardiff.
This is about Israel, Their Government and Their IDF , they are doing a Genocide on Palestine.
And yes I want everyone to see this thread, 170,000 views so far, it’s on all the News 24/7 nothing new, its exactly what’s being put out on the honesty Main Stream Media.
Yes I noticed same one .... and he mentioned ccfc they have never been mentioned in this thread because its as you say about Israel and usa backing the genocide being committed under the pretence of self defence?.... North gaza is being used as an experiment of surrender or starve!! If people move out that will leave the land free for Israel to put settlements on it something even usa says is illegal but as I put in my post the Netanyahu supporters
lobby stop any attempts to ban sale of arms to Israel... so usa is complicit in what's happening to their shame ..
Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:58 pm
Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:05 pm
Lengee wrote:I am largely in agreement with Annis on this very important thread. (We have disagreed over Tan etc in the past).
This is largely because of the number of innocent civilians mostly women and children. However, if you look at the history of this sad conflict (while there is blame on both sides), the Palestinians have been treated badly over many years - like 2nd class citizens, as if they are inferior. their land occupied, and their property taken over.
Having said all that a FORUM is a place for an honest exchange of views.
It is therefore imp to respect others with rather different views such as Cardiff exile.
I think all lives are of equal worth black white Israeli or Palestinian.
It is patently obvious that there will be good and bad in all nations. And its very imp to refer to the Israeli govt and not Jews (many of whom condemn much of what is happening).
I do however condemn the ultra nationalist Israeli government and IDF for racism and ethnic cleaning. (But not Jews. We need to stand up and be counted and refer to facts.to criticise at the map of Israel in 1947 and now.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:16 pm
Lengee wrote:I am largely in agreement with Annis on this very important thread. (We have disagreed over Tan etc in the past).
This is largely because of the number of innocent civilians mostly women and children. However, if you look at the history of this sad conflict (while there is blame on both sides), the Palestinians have been treated badly over many years - like 2nd class citizens, as if they are inferior. their land occupied, and their property taken over.
Having said all that a FORUM is a place for an honest exchange of views.
It is therefore imp to respect others with rather different views such as Cardiff exile.
I think all lives are of equal worth black white Israeli or Palestinian.
It is patently obvious that there will be good and bad in all nations. And its very imp to refer to the Israeli govt and not Jews (many of whom condemn much of what is happening).
I do however condemn the ultra nationalist Israeli government and IDF for racism and ethnic cleaning. (But not Jews. We need to stand up and be counted and refer to facts.to criticise at the map of Israel in 1947 and now.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:16 pm
Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:21 pm
Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:26 pm
Forever Blue wrote:BBC
Israel’s IDF attacking The UN Peace-Keepers daily now
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:05 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:BBC
Israel’s IDF attacking The UN Peace-Keepers daily now
Annis Biden said earlier do not fire at UN soldiers but that's been position for days and Netanyahu in reply today said get UN soldiers out Lebanon? 40 countries sighned declaration condemning Israel but no action... things are heading for all out war ad Iran making stronger noises which is what Netanyahu wants as he needs usa to get dragged in to help bomb Iran ..... a this as been avoidable if usa showed some balls and stopped Netanyahu earlier.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:35 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:BBC
Israel’s IDF attacking The UN Peace-Keepers daily now
Annis Biden said earlier do not fire at UN soldiers but that's been position for days and Netanyahu in reply today said get UN soldiers out Lebanon? 40 countries sighned declaration condemning Israel but no action... things are heading for all out war ad Iran making stronger noises which is what Netanyahu wants as he needs usa to get dragged in to help bomb Iran ..... a this as been avoidable if usa showed some balls and stopped Netanyahu earlier.
Netanyahu wants all out war to keep him as PM of Israel
Who does not care who is killed.
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:43 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:BBC
Israel’s IDF attacking The UN Peace-Keepers daily now
Annis Biden said earlier do not fire at UN soldiers but that's been position for days and Netanyahu in reply today said get UN soldiers out Lebanon? 40 countries sighned declaration condemning Israel but no action... things are heading for all out war ad Iran making stronger noises which is what Netanyahu wants as he needs usa to get dragged in to help bomb Iran ..... a this as been avoidable if usa showed some balls and stopped Netanyahu earlier.
Netanyahu wants all out war to keep him as PM of Israel
Who does not care who is killed.
Annis ... what is it with everyone? The citizens of Israel knows why he wants war usa knows what he's doing and why the UN countries knows what he's doing and why.... yet not one person/country is prepared to call for a ban on arms to Israel ...until they do hamas/hysballah/Iran won't stop retaliating .. its not rocket science? Usa do not want to be dragged into Netanyahu's war but are to scared of losing election than caring whether middle east war starts or not? All because the Jewish community hold so much influence and power
In usa and UK ect
Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:BBC
Israel’s IDF attacking The UN Peace-Keepers daily now
Annis Biden said earlier do not fire at UN soldiers but that's been position for days and Netanyahu in reply today said get UN soldiers out Lebanon? 40 countries sighned declaration condemning Israel but no action... things are heading for all out war ad Iran making stronger noises which is what Netanyahu wants as he needs usa to get dragged in to help bomb Iran ..... a this as been avoidable if usa showed some balls and stopped Netanyahu earlier.
Netanyahu wants all out war to keep him as PM of Israel
Who does not care who is killed.
Annis ... what is it with everyone? The citizens of Israel knows why he wants war usa knows what he's doing and why the UN countries knows what he's doing and why.... yet not one person/country is prepared to call for a ban on arms to Israel ...until they do hamas/hysballah/Iran won't stop retaliating .. its not rocket science? Usa do not want to be dragged into Netanyahu's war but are to scared of losing election than caring whether middle east war starts or not? All because the Jewish community hold so much influence and power
In usa and UK ect
You’ve said it Allan,
It’s The Backers of The USA & UK Governments that are pushing for wars and wanting Israel to get more Land NO matter how many are Killed.
Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:26 am
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Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:58 am
pembroke allan wrote:Yesterday should tell Israel they are not invincible and they can be reached precisely..... Yesterday was droans and 4 dead many injuries next time could be rockets and even more casualties.... like said usa will get dragged further and further into a war they don't want but are to scared to say no to Netanyahu.
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Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:19 pm
Lengee wrote:Sadly, some people believe that this “war” started in response to the atrocities of 7th of October 2023!
BUT its roots are far older and deeper.
But they should google the Balfour agreement agreed by the Tory pm after WW1 and then see our role and that of the USA in creating Israel.
If they think it is just Netanyahou who is awful towards the Palestinians, sadly this again is also not the case.
Like every state that has carried out ethnic cleansing and genocide in history, Zionists in Israel—who believe themselves to be “the chosen people”—began by dehumanizing Palestinians before driving them off their land and murdering them.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin called Palestinians “two-legged beasts,” Yitzhak Rabin called them “grasshoppers” who “could be crushed” and Golda Meir said “There was no such thing as Palestinians.
Meanwhile who said ……..
“I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time” and then went on to declare that a “higher race” had the final right to the manger.”
None other than that famous fighter against fascism…….
Winstone Churchill.
Then look at the map of Israel in 1948 and the map today. Even While Israel destroying Gaza to a rubble they are building new illegal .
Israel is not fighting a war of self-defence. It is fighting a war of aggression. A war to occupy more territory, to strengthen its apartheid and tighten its control on Palestinian people and region.
My fathers generation fought against fascism and genocide against the Jewish people. would be turning in their graves to
think the Israelis have gone from abused to abuser and the UK have done nothing to stop them and have even supplied arms.(Although in fairness Plaid Cymru have called for us to stop supporting Israel and suplying arms.)
It is unbelievable, and unbelievably sad.
We want PEACE now! Stand up and be counted!
Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:20 pm
Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:57 pm
Lengee wrote:Sadly, some people believe that this “war” started in response to the atrocities of 7th of October 2023!
BUT its roots are far older and deeper.
But they should google the Balfour agreement agreed by the Tory pm after WW1 and then see our role and that of the USA in creating Israel.
If they think it is just Netanyahou who is awful towards the Palestinians, sadly this again is also not the case.
Like every state that has carried out ethnic cleansing and genocide in history, Zionists in Israel—who believe themselves to be “the chosen people”—began by dehumanizing Palestinians before driving them off their land and murdering them.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin called Palestinians “two-legged beasts,” Yitzhak Rabin called them “grasshoppers” who “could be crushed” and Golda Meir said “There was no such thing as Palestinians.
Meanwhile who said ……..
“I do not admit that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger, even though he may have lain there for a very long time” and then went on to declare that a “higher race” had the final right to the manger.”
None other than that famous fighter against fascism…….
Winstone Churchill.
Then look at the map of Israel in 1948 and the map today. Even While Israel destroying Gaza to a rubble they are building new illegal .
Israel is not fighting a war of self-defence. It is fighting a war of aggression. A war to occupy more territory, to strengthen its apartheid and tighten its control on Palestinian people and region.
My fathers generation fought against fascism and genocide against the Jewish people. would be turning in their graves to
think the Israelis have gone from abused to abuser and the UK have done nothing to stop them and have even supplied arms.(Although in fairness Plaid Cymru have called for us to stop supporting Israel and suplying arms.)
It is unbelievable, and unbelievably sad.
We want PEACE now! Stand up and be counted!