British National Party

I hope you all listened to Nick Griffin on Radio 4 this morning?

He explained his parties "voluntary" repatriation scheme which will be open to all you are not defined as "white British."

When pushed he stated that this will include 2nd, 3rd, even 4th generation immigrants.

So, to put it simply, if you're not white then you can "voluntarily" leave the country. I wonder how "voluntary" this scheme would be?

I know this is hypothetical, as the BNP will never form a government here or have any influence.

So, think before you vote.

Claude, that has always been the fear of having a BNP party as government. Just how far will the "voluntary" be and how far back will the generation level go to be allowed to stay?

With such policies enforced another question people need to ask is how would this effect out relationships with other countries. I once worked in Saudi Arabia training up the locals thanks to the fact the British Governement won a huge contract out there. This also had the added effect of creating more jobs here in the UK. I just question if we would be able to compete for such contracts besides win them under the likes of a BNP party.

Exactly. He couldn't answer the question about how other countries would respond to this policy.

Hundreds of thousands of "white british" leave our shores to settle in foreign countries every year, as well as to work for short/medium periods of time. Clearly other countries would stop this from happening.

I know we will never get a BNP government but I hope those on here who intend to vote for them can at least be educated in the truth about their racist policies.

Too right Claude. I said earlier, if immigration is such an issue then vote Conservative. They will deal with it moderately. BNP will just be another Nazi party and I'm sorry but if you condone that sort of attitude towards the world then what did our forefathers fight for at the start of this century?

Vote for who you want, everyone has that right, but at least be educated enough to know who you're voting for and not base your opinion on one policy.

Exactly. He couldn't answer the question about how other countries would respond to this policy.

Hundreds of thousands of "white british" leave our shores to settle in foreign countries every year, as well as to work for short/medium periods of time. Clearly other countries would stop this from happening.

I know we will never get a BNP government but I hope those on here who intend to vote for them can at least be educated in the truth about their racist policies.

British people do not sneak into other countries and throw themselves at the mercy of its welfare
system. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants into Britain do just that.

Immigration is simple. Unless someone has a sponsor who can guarantee him work for the whole
of his stay. He doesnt come in. Asylum seekers arriving here via another country are automatically
refused entry. Simple. When my Nana came here from Malta things were totally different and she'd
married a Welshman. But now, there are already three million unemployed and there has got to be
an end to it.

So what if the BNP have racist policies, race and immigration are facts of life. Better to debate it
than ignore it. Are people who vote for the BNP purely on their immigration stance any worse than
Labour or Tory voters who choose to ignore the facts that their MP's are all lying cheating thieving
bastards who have stolen taxpayers money for years?

You obviously are happy to condone an overtly racist party. I'm not.

All I've done is point out the lunacy of their policy on immigration. You've not attempted to argue on any of the points I made, preferring to just accept that they are racist! Whoever supports them is a racist.

It's a complex discussion, one that is clearly above you.

Immigration is simple. Unless someone has a sponsor who can guarantee him work for the whole
of his stay. He doesnt come in.

Anyone from outside the EU that is exactly how it works. Those that reside within the EU are entitled to work here and it is these that are causing the problem. Employees are quite happy to give them work as they can pay them alot less than a UK guy. Adding to that as these EU foreigners end up paying UK tax they can apply for tax credit. Sometimes the amount of tax credit they get is alot more than they could earn in their own country. This I believe is why 90% of new jobs has gone to these foreigners. Basically the system is set up to suit the bosses of our companies.

nooo, they want Britain back to how it was, looking after US!!

Immigrants come here and the BRITISH TAXPAYER pays for their family back in their country! Britain sends millions upon millions abroad in thousands of cases

all that money could start getting pumped into the NHS , you know the nhs where we wait 4 hours to be seen, struggling to get by on money etc, now stop putting up all these immigrants and sending money aboard and paying for them to have £4k a week housing rent etc and pump it into the nhs, you'd be seen straight away, and don’t give me the crap that "well there would be no-one to run it" there's hundreds of British doctors in Wales heath that have to go from Wales to places north, Scotland etc to get jobs because they are all taken here!!

when I was in school I sung hymns and was taught Christianity, all that’s stopped now, I used to love Cardiff towns Christmas lights and Christmas celebration in general, but now with the "winter festivities" etc that’s all getting taken away

all the old people dyeing in the winter because they can't afford fuel costs etc, yet we send money abroad, we pay for immigrants etc that come to this country 4k a week rent for them because of the PC BRAGADE, yet we should be looking after our own ffs, this country has gone down the pan Australia have it sorted!

You can go on and on but it’s a waste of time when you get all the same response "racist crap twats" from the PC brigade

Ben, immigrants come from all kinds of countries, both Muslim and Christian. In fact as we are a part of the EU most European countries will be so-called 'Christian' therefore when they come and live in the UK it makes no difference to our Christmas celebrations. Therefore Blaming immigration for your percieved reduction in christianity in the UK is complete rubbish. Immigration and Political correctness are seperate issues.

I think you'll find that the lack of christian influence in our towns and cities is due to the rise of atheism and reduction in indiginous people going to church / chapel etc - not immigrants.

Most Muslims I know have NO problem with Christians celebrating Christmas. In fact it is the 'national secular society' who are trying to eliminate religion from society, an organisation which you'll find has VERY few immigrants!

Also, the business about Welsh doctors having to leave Wales to practice is so naive it's scary. Wales HAS to import doctors because we do not produce enough doctors, same as England. Scotland is different where they produce more doctors than they need contact someone at (http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/829 if you don't believe me). In addition if it was not for Pakistani and Indian doctors in the 50's, 60's and 70's the NHS in Wales would have collapsed - there would have very few doctors in the Valleys during that period.

I'm not saying immigration is not a problem or a concern however the BNP are not an alternative.

Today they announced they would pay £50000 per non-white person to leave the country in the hope that 180000 would do so each year. That will cost us 9000000000 a year.. OUR taxes. It just goes to show that the BNP are so racist they can't even think straight.

Finally, Ernst and Young estimate that the net impact of migrant workers has been over £18billion over the last 10 years.

You obviously are happy to condone an overtly racist party. I'm not.

All I've done is point out the lunacy of their policy on immigration. You've not attempted to argue on any of the points I made, preferring to just accept that they are racist! Whoever supports them is a racist.

It's a complex discussion, one that is clearly above you.

Whoever supports them is a racist??

Does that mean whoever supports Labour or the Conservatives is a liar and a cheat then?

And how can anyone saying they want immigration sorted out be labelled racist, there are white illegal
immigrants too. Try Xenophobia??

In my eyes, a man who will lie and cheat and steal from me (my taxes) is worse than a racist. So
thats 80% of the major parties out the picture

I could be classed as one of these 'johnny foreigners' myself. But Racists dont particularly bother
me, they are just ignorant.

As for the 'lunacy' of their immigration policies? In simple terms... is it not lunacy to have the
gates to Britain wide open when there are already 3,000,000 unemployed

Pakistan actually has a large and active Christian community, as does India.

And quite a lot of churches!!

Even Muslim countries have Christian churches and communities, mostly living peacefully alongside other religions.

There are tensions, and occasional desecrations and violence sadly but not on the levels the BNP would have you believe.

As for reasons why minority groups within workforces set up organisations such as the BPOA I don't think it's worth my time and effort trying to educate you on that!!

IF THERE WAS A WHITE POLICE ORGANISATIONS THEY WOULD BE CLASSED A RACISTS SIMPLE AS

There is, they are called "the Met"

Immigration is simple. Unless someone has a sponsor who can guarantee him work for the whole
of his stay. He doesnt come in.

Anyone from outside the EU that is exactly how it works. Those that reside within the EU are entitled to work here and it is these that are causing the problem. Employees are quite happy to give them work as they can pay them alot less than a UK guy. Adding to that as these EU foreigners end up paying UK tax they can apply for tax credit. Sometimes the amount of tax credit they get is alot more than they could earn in their own country. This I believe is why 90% of new jobs has gone to these foreigners. Basically the system is set up to suit the bosses of our companies.

In principal your right. But the reality is, there are hundreds of non-european immigrants crossing into
Britain every day and the minute they touch British soil they claim asylum, and the second they do that
we accept them THEN investigate their claim while they sit comfy in a nice little flat. Then when their
hearing gets close, if they've been advised they got no chance of staying they just disappear. We have
the ridiculous situation that we cannot deport someone without a passport proving where their from.

So, you'd just shut the door to any further immigration?

How would you do this?

Do you regard all immigration as bad for our country?

My point - again! - was about the BNP's policy on "voluntary" repatriation of non-white British people living in the UK. This is a clear racist policy, and their vanguard policy at that. Discriminating against people solely because of the colour of their skin is racist.

i was working in islington town hall in the eighties and on their notice board was an advertisment for meetings of black town hall workers only.
as stated earlier you could not form a white police officers association but you can a black one is that not racist?
i could never support an extreme party like the bnp but can a white person in our country actually bring a case of racial abuse successfully against himself in our modern day court of law.
do we not get abused as a race every time by the met when we go to london.
there needs to be equality and the three main parties need to see that and not brand people as racists and bigots when they show concern about immigration etc.
having said all that the bnp is defo not the answer

So, you'd just shut the door to any further immigration?

How would you do this?

Do you regard all immigration as bad for our country?

My point - again! - was about the BNP's policy on "voluntary" repatriation of non-white British people living in the UK. This is a clear racist policy, and their vanguard policy at that. Discriminating against people solely because of the colour of their skin is racist.

If you'd read my posts in this thread you'd have noticed that I said there are certain people coming
into Britain with certain skills that we desperately need so NO, a complete ban on immigration is
not a great idea. But unskilled arabs and Africans sneaking in on wagons who cannot even speak
English have got to be stopped. They bring NOTHING positive to the country. They come here cos
Britain is a sof touch, and they know they will get fed clothed and housed, otherwise why else would
they travel halfway across the world to get here?

You may also have noticed I said wont vote for the BNP because they are a bit too racist for my taste.
But thats my opinion, there are hundreds of thousands of British people turning to them who are not
racist, they are just pissed off with Britain becoming a dumping ground for the world. So they will
turn a blind eye to the racist bits of the BNP and vote for them over the issues they support them on.
Such as immigration and Afghanistan. Why not? millions will vote for Gordon Brown etc knowing full
well thats their lying cunts!!

Racism is a fact of life, so is Xenophobia, so is hating the rival football team, fighting with the next
village etc etc. Racism is just a form of ignorance, its not evil, its just silly. It only becomes Evil when
people want to hurt others over it. The BNP and genocide (for instance) do not go hand in hand.

I'd have a Racist living next door to me no probs. I'm a nice bloke, my mam is lovely and is always round
and she's typically mediterranean looking. I'd win the feller round, like i said, its just ignorance.
But would I want a Labour MP next door?? hmmm.... lying cheating thieving, cant believe a word they say,
you know they'll stab you in the back and rob you, then smile to your face and swear blind they didnt do it.

Saying you dont like 'darkies' isnt evil - its just daft.

So, you'd just shut the door to any further immigration?

How would you do this?

Do you regard all immigration as bad for our country?

My point - again! - was about the BNP's policy on "voluntary" repatriation of non-white British people living in the UK. This is a clear racist policy, and their vanguard policy at that. Discriminating against people solely because of the colour of their skin is racist.

Just a small point for 'discrimination' to occur a person or persons must suffer a 'detriment' (a disadvantage) because of their colour or race.

The fact this scheme is open to non-white British only does-not automatically mean there is racial discrimination as there is a lack of a detriment on those grounds because the scheme is voluntary and any volunteer receives a payment.

Indeed you could argue that it is the white British who are the ones who face racial discrimination because they are barred from the scheme on grounds of colour and race and have therefore potentially suffered a detriment.

Two seperate issues.

Illegal immigration is just that - illegal, and more needs to be done to stem the flow. Difficult due to us being an Island but all would agree that we must do more.

Legal immigration is very different. Unless we leave the EU then we cannot stop people from these countries coming to our country. A previous poster is correct that too many employers use them to undercut wages and this needs to change, particularly employers who pay below the minimum wage and provide dreadful living conditions for these migrants.

I did like the fact that you don't vote BNP because "they're a bit too racist." By saying that I presume that you're a little bit racist!! I wonder how that manifests itself? It's disturbing that you find racism, xenephobia. football violence, etc. facts of life. They're not to me, but gives a good insight into your psyche. Yes, they exist, but that doesn't mean they have to be tolerated.

I did like the fact that you don't vote BNP because "they're a bit too racist." By saying that I presume that you're a little bit racist!! I wonder how that manifests itself? It's disturbing that you find racism, xenephobia. football violence, etc. facts of life. They're not to me, but gives a good insight into your psyche. Yes, they exist, but that doesn't mean they have to be tolerated.

Jeepers I have read some rubbish in my time but that's bordering on hysterical. My advice to you is stop presuming things about people it's very intolerant making assumptions about someone's psyche.

I doubt very much that I need advice from you!!

Where exactly is that part of the post "hysterical"?

Which part(s) to you disagree with?

I doubt very much that I need advice from you!!

Where exactly is that part of the post "hysterical"?

Which part(s) to you disagree with?

I have made it clear which part I disagree with, your presumptions. I find it astonishing you can come to the conclusion that taffyapple is a 'little bit racist' because he says he won't vote BNP but has concerns about the levels of immigration.

You need to re-read the posts.

It's hardly a huge leap to accuse someone of being "a little bit racist" as he finds the BNP "a bit too racist."

That's a clear assumption that they're a racist party which, of course, they are. Sadly, they're only "a bit too racist" for one poster on here.

As an aside, you make an interesting point about discrimination and detriment. I presume their "scheme" would not be open to white British people as there's nowhere to send us back to!!

Out of interest do you find a party who wants to rid the country of all non-white people offensive?

Two seperate issues.

Illegal immigration is just that - illegal, and more needs to be done to stem the flow. Difficult due to us being an Island but all would agree that we must do more.

Legal immigration is very different. Unless we leave the EU then we cannot stop people from these countries coming to our country. A previous poster is correct that too many employers use them to undercut wages and this needs to change, particularly employers who pay below the minimum wage and provide dreadful living conditions for these migrants.

I did like the fact that you don't vote BNP because "they're a bit too racist." By saying that I presume that you're a little bit racist!! I wonder how that manifests itself? It's disturbing that you find racism, xenephobia. football violence, etc. facts of life. They're not to me, but gives a good insight into your psyche. Yes, they exist, but that doesn't mean they have to be tolerated.

Your a f*cking nutcase. It surely a lot easier to shore up the borders of an Island nation than anywhere else.

As for me finding the BNP 'a bit too racist' it was a turn of phrase you lunatic. I have no problem with people
of colour, some are darker than me, some are lighter, so f*cking what?

you find it 'disturbing' that I think Racism, Xenophobia, one village fighting lads from the next one etc etc
facts of life!! Are you saying their not??? Whether YOU tolerate them or not, they wont go away. Just because
the loony lefties have decreed we should all love and hug each other, and just because you obviously believe
all their claptrap it DOESNT mean the whole world is suddenly going to go out and start hugging f*cking trees.

I was called 'dago' etc etc now and then in school, it never bothered me, any more than the lad who I called
a paddy b*stard was bothered. SOMETIMES, derogatory references to colour/religion/creed are just banter.

We all went to Budapest in February, my mate was winding me up saying I looked like a Bomber and should
be strip-searched, i told him (cos he's black) that he should be at the back of the plane with the goats and
chickens. I just BET had you been on that plane you'd have been fuming

Your clueless about what non-white people really think of racists. in your arrogant white mind you assume they
need you to fight their corner. They (we) dont

Nutcase, lunatic and clueless.

If you wish to engage in intelligent debate you shouldn't resort to insults.

You have, therefore you've lost the debate.

good debate this one, just wish people could debate without resorting to name calling .

Nutcase, lunatic and clueless.

If you wish to engage in intelligent debate you shouldn't resort to insults.

You have, therefore you've lost the debate.

Really? You called me a racist. Going by your high standards that is as insulting as
you could possibly get.

The defence rests

You called yourself a racist by stating that the BNP are a little "too racist" for you.

You're guilty as charged.

I once called an ex girlfriend half Italian......does that make me Italian?

You called yourself a racist by stating that the BNP are a little "too racist" for you.

You're guilty as charged.

If thats as good a response as you can muster??

Everyone reading my post can see its just a turn of phrase, except you.

You drool on any and every possible chance to sieze on a possible chance of calling someone a racist.

You are this messageboards version of gordon "shes a bigot" brown.

You are on a quest to search and destroy the evil racists wherever they may be, and anyone who
looks with anything less than rose tinted glasses at the immigration 'problems' in Britain MUST be
Racist. You see racism everywhere. If somebody pointed at a black person and said "I dont like
that fucker"... your initial reaction would be to think it was cos of the colour of his skin. Admit
it, you know its true. You are a direct and pretty sad product of Tony Blair and the loony lefts
brainwashing of a generation of British people.

Your assumptions about me are truly laughable.

I'm sure you've asked "everyone" if your expression was just a "turn of phrase"

I've called you a "bit of a racist" no one else.

If you'd bothered to actually read my posts on immigration you will see that I've given my opinion on both legal and illegal immigration. You, on the other hand have offered no constructive opinion, just staing it's a "fact of life."

You regard me as a "sad product of Tony Blair and the looney left." If that means that I detest the racist policies of the BNP then so be it.

I'm not on a quest to destroy "evil racists" although I will plead guilty to finding racists undeducated, braindead morons.

Clearly you do not.

wow, well done Ben got a good one going here

im not biting