FAO Keith Morgan

I’ve read through this topic and haven’t needed to reply because others have said what I’m thinking, that clubs being told about these so called new rules 3 days before February 1st is nonsense.

I know it’s nonsense.


Also agree with Ian when he says IF this is the case, a statement should have come directly through the club.

Instead they used the trust to put this information out so the trust get the backlash.


But it all comes from what has been a long standing problem with the club.


That’s that there is little scrutiny at all on Dalman, Tan or the club in general.

The trust, WalesOnline, others etc are all in Dalman’s pocket because they’re worried he’ll cut them off from information if they don’t tow the party line.

There are people on here who won’t agree with this because they think the current regime can do no wrong, but those without blinkers on can see this as clear as day.

I've enjoyed reading Keith's posts over the years. He clearly puts a great deal of effort into explaining financial matters so that they are easy for the average supporter to understand. I think some of the posts on this thread have been very disrespectful, he comes across as being a man of integrity. In the circumstances, I'd fully understand if he chose not to post again. The infighting is beyond ridiculous. Anyway, thanks for your posts Keith. I hope you and all fans enjoy the game today and we get a positive result!

What I do not see, why we could not be given this report that a few days before the end of this last trap window, clubs were given new rules? It does not sound right? Yet Keith says it happened.

So why is it not on EFL website, Sky sports, or any statement from our club?
If Keith has made a mistake all he has to do is say that, we all make mistakes in life. If he is covering up for the board well that is not right. I don’t think it ever happened as looking at this topic Keith Morgan has not shown us this happened, no proof at all.

I've enjoyed reading Keith's posts over the years. He clearly puts a great deal of effort into explaining financial matters so that they are easy for the average supporter to understand. I think some of the posts on this thread have been very disrespectful, he comes across as being a man of integrity. In the circumstances, I'd fully understand if he chose not to post again. The infighting is beyond ridiculous. Anyway, thanks for your posts Keith. I hope you and all fans enjoy the game today and we get a positive result!

Couldn't have put it better myself.

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

I have also found out that We keep using The FFP Rules to get out of spending etc.

There are over 20 ways around it if your club really wants to spend money.

I will in the near future explain it all.

Dalman uses it as his Ace card or Joker card to get out of buying players.

I will leave it there on this Topic.

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I have also found out that We keep using The FFP Rules to get out of spending etc.

There are over 20 ways around it if your club really wants to spend money.

I will in the near future explain it all.

Dalman uses it as his Ace card or Joker card to get out of buying players.

I will leave it there on this Topic.

You would be the 1st person to slate the club if they tried "a way around ffp" if we were put under an embargo, the facts are we lose close 13 million a season just like other clubs and tan puts the top up in each season as Keith has stated its also in black and white in the accounts a new ownwr wont be able to write blank checks ,this season there is new accounting rules which other clubs are getting use to also , maybe not new rules 3 days before but efl definitely curtailed our spending if you can prove any other way you need to prove it annis , the way around it as you speak is to produce more home grown talent and sell them to add to the profit account but most of our talent each season at 16/17 is poached and we only get 500k max compensation which should be more if they developed with us or raise more money through gate money commercial revenue which isn't eassy thing to do , I think the character assassination of Keith is disgusting on this thread its really cringing name calling him is a bit childish from supposedly fellow cardiff supporters, it always becomes a tan v certain supporters debate on every thread recently its becoming boring and ruined this once top forum , none of you can change the politics of the club even if you think you can .I'm done with politics of the club and will be only participating in the football side from now on .

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

From my understanding of the situation, Keith hasn't said there are new rules. There was a review by the CFRU, which limited our spending. There wouldn't be link to this as it's a matter between the club and the CFRU. Some people may think that this is convenient and more BS, so be it. I guess the accounts will back up the situation when they are due, but unfortunately it looks like Keith won't be offering his insight on this.

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If we are loosing 13 Mill a year why ain't we getting paid for a shirt sponsorship

And why ain't we selling the naming rights for the stadium ?

Always found it strange that our shirt sponsor Malaysia never gives us an income ?

If we are loosing 13 Mill a year why ain't we getting paid for a shirt sponsorship

And why ain't we selling the naming rights for the stadium ?

Always found it strange that our shirt sponsor Malaysia never gives us an income ?

Oh come on its in the accounts

If we are loosing 13 Mill a year why ain't we getting paid for a shirt sponsorship

And why ain't we selling the naming rights for the stadium ?

Always found it strange that our shirt sponsor Malaysia never gives us an income ?

We do receive income

I have also found out that We keep using The FFP Rules to get out of spending etc.

There are over 20 ways around it if your club really wants to spend money.

I will in the near future explain it all.

Dalman uses it as his Ace card or Joker card to get out of buying players.

I will leave it there on this Topic.

You would be the 1st person to slate the club if they tried "a way around ffp" if we were put under an embargo, the facts are we lose close 13 million a season just like other clubs and tan puts the top up in each season as Keith has stated its also in black and white in the accounts a new ownwr wont be able to write blank checks ,this season there is new accounting rules which other clubs are getting use to also , maybe not new rules 3 days before but efl definitely curtailed our spending if you can prove any other way you need to prove it annis , the way around it as you speak is to produce more home grown talent and sell them to add to the profit account but most of our talent each season at 16/17 is poached and we only get 500k max compensation which should be more if they developed with us or raise more money through gate money commercial revenue which isn't eassy thing to do , I think the character assassination of Keith is disgusting on this thread its really cringing name calling him is a bit childish from supposedly fellow cardiff supporters, it always becomes a tan v certain supporters debate on every thread recently its becoming boring and ruined this once top forum , none of you can change the politics of the club even if you think you can .I'm done with politics of the club and will be only participating in the football side from now on .

NEVER THE CLUB Wez,

I put the Club first, you put The Regime First, that’s your problem, your love in with Tan is beyond belief.

I Support Cardiff City, you Support The Regime.



Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


Keith for years has defended Dalman, cleverly and a Trust is not suppose to do this.

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

From my understanding of the situation, Keith hasn't said there are new rules. There was a review by the CFRU, which limited our spending. There wouldn't be link to this as it's a matter between the club and the CFRU. Some people may think that this is convenient and more BS, so be it. I guess the accounts will back up the situation when they are due, but unfortunately it looks like Keith won't be offering his insight on this.

Not here he never said in another Topic with OP, that’s how all this started.


Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


REMEMBER IT WAS DALMAN TELLING KEITH THIS & KEITH THEN PUT DALMANS BULLSHIT OUT.

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:happy1:

I have also found out that We keep using The FFP Rules to get out of spending etc.

There are over 20 ways around it if your club really wants to spend money.

I will in the near future explain it all.

Dalman uses it as his Ace card or Joker card to get out of buying players.

I will leave it there on this Topic.

You would be the 1st person to slate the club if they tried "a way around ffp" if we were put under an embargo, the facts are we lose close 13 million a season just like other clubs and tan puts the top up in each season as Keith has stated its also in black and white in the accounts a new ownwr wont be able to write blank checks ,this season there is new accounting rules which other clubs are getting use to also , maybe not new rules 3 days before but efl definitely curtailed our spending if you can prove any other way you need to prove it annis , the way around it as you speak is to produce more home grown talent and sell them to add to the profit account but most of our talent each season at 16/17 is poached and we only get 500k max compensation which should be more if they developed with us or raise more money through gate money commercial revenue which isn't eassy thing to do , I think the character assassination of Keith is disgusting on this thread its really cringing name calling him is a bit childish from supposedly fellow cardiff supporters, it always becomes a tan v certain supporters debate on every thread recently its becoming boring and ruined this once top forum , none of you can change the politics of the club even if you think you can .I'm done with politics of the club and will be only participating in the football side from now on .

NEVER THE CLUB Wez,

I put the Club first, you put The Regime First, that’s your problem, your love in with Tan is beyond belief.

I Support Cardiff City, you Support The Regime.



Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


Keith for years has defended Dalman, cleverly and a Trust is not suppose to do this.

I put the club 1st annis whoever the owner is, you've always moaned for the 20 odd years I've known you you even fell out with Sam

:happy1:

I have also found out that We keep using The FFP Rules to get out of spending etc.

There are over 20 ways around it if your club really wants to spend money.

I will in the near future explain it all.

Dalman uses it as his Ace card or Joker card to get out of buying players.

I will leave it there on this Topic.

You would be the 1st person to slate the club if they tried "a way around ffp" if we were put under an embargo, the facts are we lose close 13 million a season just like other clubs and tan puts the top up in each season as Keith has stated its also in black and white in the accounts a new ownwr wont be able to write blank checks ,this season there is new accounting rules which other clubs are getting use to also , maybe not new rules 3 days before but efl definitely curtailed our spending if you can prove any other way you need to prove it annis , the way around it as you speak is to produce more home grown talent and sell them to add to the profit account but most of our talent each season at 16/17 is poached and we only get 500k max compensation which should be more if they developed with us or raise more money through gate money commercial revenue which isn't eassy thing to do , I think the character assassination of Keith is disgusting on this thread its really cringing name calling him is a bit childish from supposedly fellow cardiff supporters, it always becomes a tan v certain supporters debate on every thread recently its becoming boring and ruined this once top forum , none of you can change the politics of the club even if you think you can .I'm done with politics of the club and will be only participating in the football side from now on .

NEVER THE CLUB Wez,

I put the Club first, you put The Regime First, that’s your problem, your love in with Tan is beyond belief.

I Support Cardiff City, you Support The Regime.



Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


Keith for years has defended Dalman, cleverly and a Trust is not suppose to do this.

I put the club 1st annis whoever the owner is, you've always moaned for the 20 odd years I've known you you even fell out with Sam

Correct Wez,

52 Consecutive years I have renewed My Season ticket and yes your spot on I put the Club first as I did not agree with him changing our badge to the ST David Badge.
Plus if I did not agree with some of his decisions, I use to tell him to his face.
That’s why we are still Best Friends to this day, because I was not a yes man, so Sam Respected me.


Wez, look I know you love our Club, But Tan / Dalman are not the people to take us forward.

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

From my understanding of the situation, Keith hasn't said there are new rules. There was a review by the CFRU, which limited our spending. There wouldn't be link to this as it's a matter between the club and the CFRU. Some people may think that this is convenient and more BS, so be it. I guess the accounts will back up the situation when they are due, but unfortunately it looks like Keith won't be offering his insight on this.

Not here he never said in another Topic with OP, that’s how all this started.


Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


REMEMBER IT WAS DALMAN TELLING KEITH THIS & KEITH THEN PUT DALMANS BULLSHIT OUT.

This aligns with Keith's response in this thread. There was a change in what the club could spend conveyed to the club a few days before the end of the transfer window (by the CFRU). There wouldn't be a link to this as it's between the club and the CFRU. It may be BS, but why shoot the messenger? Would you prefer it the club didn't engage with the trust? You should value the communication, even if you don't believe it.

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

From my understanding of the situation, Keith hasn't said there are new rules. There was a review by the CFRU, which limited our spending. There wouldn't be link to this as it's a matter between the club and the CFRU. Some people may think that this is convenient and more BS, so be it. I guess the accounts will back up the situation when they are due, but unfortunately it looks like Keith won't be offering his insight on this.

Not here he never said in another Topic with OP, that’s how all this started.


Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


REMEMBER IT WAS DALMAN TELLING KEITH THIS & KEITH THEN PUT DALMANS BULLSHIT OUT.

This aligns with Keith's response in this thread. There was a change in what the club could spend conveyed to the club a few days before the end of the transfer window (by the CFRU). There wouldn't be a link to this as it's between the club and the CFRU. It may be BS, but why shoot the messenger? Would you prefer it the club didn't engage with the trust? You should value the communication, even if you don't believe it.

But don’t forget who told Keith this, Mehmet Dalman of all people????

Dalman only engages when he wants his bullshit out out.

I have been to these meetings and your only allowed soft questions

All Keith had to say to us that Dalman had told him this, but he had seen NO evidence, end off.

If we are loosing 13 Mill a year why ain't we getting paid for a shirt sponsorship

And why ain't we selling the naming rights for the stadium ?

Always found it strange that our shirt sponsor Malaysia never gives us an income ?

Oh come on its in the accounts

wez, any chance you can link me/show me the last two years accounts ? thanks

For those who feel we were wrong in asking to see what Keith was saying that NEW Rules came out 3 days before the Transfer Window Deadline, I disagree with you.

Why should we just take Keith’s word when it’s not on any sites , EFL Site, Sky Sports, No Statement from our club etc etc

Keith says Dalman told him well, that for me is Def not good enough.

All he had to say was their are No links etc

And of all the people Dalman.

Dalman calls Keith in every now and again to do his PR or bullshit.

If it was true it would of been official.

I honestly don’t believe this happened 3 days before a deadline , it’s really madness to believe it without any links etc

From my understanding of the situation, Keith hasn't said there are new rules. There was a review by the CFRU, which limited our spending. There wouldn't be link to this as it's a matter between the club and the CFRU. Some people may think that this is convenient and more BS, so be it. I guess the accounts will back up the situation when they are due, but unfortunately it looks like Keith won't be offering his insight on this.

Not here he never said in another Topic with OP, that’s how all this started.


Funny after all this Keith Never provided a link or anything from the EFL ? ?
Just Dalman to Keith.


REMEMBER IT WAS DALMAN TELLING KEITH THIS & KEITH THEN PUT DALMANS BULLSHIT OUT.

This aligns with Keith's response in this thread. There was a change in what the club could spend conveyed to the club a few days before the end of the transfer window (by the CFRU). There wouldn't be a link to this as it's between the club and the CFRU. It may be BS, but why shoot the messenger? Would you prefer it the club didn't engage with the trust? You should value the communication, even if you don't believe it.

And this is the whole point here.

It would have been good if Keith had said he got his info from the Board instead of leaving us all guessing. Unless I have missed it there is no statement saying this came from the club and this is why guys like me and others have questioned it all.

As the OP of this thread and a moderator of this forum I'm closing this topic as I believe all of us have made our minds up of what is going on here. So there is no point in continuing the debate.

There’s just one thing I don’t understand.

If we were warned about spending money three days before the deadline then how were we able to spend money on Turnbull??

There’s just one thing I don’t understand.

If we were warned about spending money three days before the deadline then how were we able to spend money on Turnbull??

Yes what a great question, if we were apparently warned 3 days before the deadline to not spend any money etc , we then 48hrs buy a player

I see apparently Keith not liking being questioned about his comments will not be on here again, this I have looked back over the years, he’s done this on 5 previous occasions.

Dalman won’t be happy now, not having Keith on here