Southport Child Murderer

Jock

Well I am “left wing” and I am nobody’s idiot nor am I calling you an idiot for your views.

I do agree that we have to limit immigration, but we also have to value it because with immigration our hospitality sector, NHS and care sector will simply collapse. FACT. Those people contribute hugely to our society.

Another poster has mentioned the number of Sharia Councils. They may exist, however, they have no legal standing.

Just like some of the Christian extremist councils and even organisations such as the Masonic Lodges.

As for EDL not existing, they do, they just hide the name. It’s an organisation “led” by a convicted fraudster, stalker,etc., arguing that immigrants are criminals !! It’s so pathetic it’s like a Monty Python sketch !!

So less of the b^$$^~¥s and let’s talk reality shall we.

I’m not calling you personally an idiot, my point is many of those who claim to be Leftwing really haven’t got a clue. Queers for Palastine for instance,is like chickens for KFC. Islam is all about expansion, always has been, always will be. Their whole religious/political ideology is a million miles from socialism/communism. When the “Left” has outlived its usefulness they’ll be dropped, Muslim Vote shows that’s already happening in the UK.
BTW there was a large mob of Muslim men armed with everything from swords and knives to baseball bats charging about Stoke last night, you won’t see it reported on our legacy media like BBC, Sly News or Ch4 but there’s plenty on YouTube. I don’t consider myself Rightwing , I’m a pragmatist not an ideologue but the Overton Window has moved so far to the left, that’s how I’m branded.
Have a good day mate, we’ve more n common than you might think but higher powers are playing divide and rule

Fair play, we might have different views but as long as there are no insults (or violence !!) that’s healthy !!

But watching a mob trashing a Citizens Advice Bureau in the name of “our country” makes my blood boil as you might detect !!

If this carries on I’ll be marching for Welsh independence!!

This post has got to be the most shocking I have read on this forum.

Three little girls got stabbed to death whilst at a dance class in Southport.
An army soldier got stabbed multiple times in an unprovoked attack.
829 immigrants freely crossed the channel to the UK in the last 7 days.
All these immigrants will be housed for free, have benefits and have free meals. Whilst there are over 300k people homeless and thousands of children starving in the UK.
The NHS and education sector is on it's arse because it can't cope with the increased population.
I could go on but I feel it's all falling on deaf ears.

But never mind all that, a punch of idiots trash a citizens advice bureau and that makes your blood boil and your going to march for Welsh independence. You are everything that's currently wrong with modern society and why this and most other countries are doomed.

What about all the crimes committed by white people? Where were these supposed “proud Britains” then. It’s a chance to kick off against people because of their skin colour, don’t try and pretend it’s anything more noble than that.

Besides the idiot who hired a van from pontycun and drove to London and mowed down innocent people outside a mosque, I can't think of any other terrorist attack in this country by a white person. The two crimes I referred to are shocking crimes and would have made headline news whatever the colour skin of the perpetrator or victims.

Hmmm, the killer of the Labour MP, or doesn’t that count.

Why do you think it was OK for the protestors to kick in the door of an Asian family and scare them to death ?

This is nothing but racism, bullying and hatred that has no place in a civilised society.

If you defend this then your time will come, very shortly I hope.

I did say that the van hire guy was all I could think of at the time of posting.

When did I say it was ok for these protesters, rioters, idiots, whatever you want to call them, to scare innocent people was ok, NEVER. You're trying to divert the attention from your earlier comment which in my book was the lowest of low.

The sooner the woke people of this country wake up and see what's going on in this country the better chance of us surviving, but it they are all like you we are doomed.

Oh get real !! And while you’re at it quit calling people “woke” just because they have an answer for anything the right wing want to raise. It’s not woke, it’s intellect.

There is nothing in my post that isn’t factual.

The pressure that was put on the NHS by the Tory cuts is massively more impactful on the service than any immigration numbers. FACT whether you like it or not.

I thank my lucky stars I’m Cardiff born and bred as there were 20 fascists and 400 anti-fascists down the Bay last night and today 7 fascists and 450 anti-fascists in town. Democracy in action !!

You criticise the word Woke then brand anyone protesting as a Fascist, so what type of Fascism do they espouse, are they like Salazar, or more like Mussolini who’s politics were Nationalist, or like Franco’s which had a religious dimension.
How much migration is too much, do you really think tens of thousands of undocumented young men should be allowed to invade our shores. What’s your answer apart from shouting Nazi scum along with a bunch of over privileged middle class leftwangers and students who don’t know shite about anything?

Are these the same Tory cuts that have left a £20bn black hole in the economy? Having it both ways is rather fanciful but not unexpected.

Duh !! You may want to rethink that !! It’s the economy that pays for the NHS and other services !!

Jock

Well I am “left wing” and I am nobody’s idiot nor am I calling you an idiot for your views.

I do agree that we have to limit immigration, but we also have to value it because with immigration our hospitality sector, NHS and care sector will simply collapse. FACT. Those people contribute hugely to our society.

Another poster has mentioned the number of Sharia Councils. They may exist, however, they have no legal standing.

Just like some of the Christian extremist councils and even organisations such as the Masonic Lodges.

As for EDL not existing, they do, they just hide the name. It’s an organisation “led” by a convicted fraudster, stalker,etc., arguing that immigrants are criminals !! It’s so pathetic it’s like a Monty Python sketch !!

So less of the b^$$^~¥s and let’s talk reality shall we.

I’m not calling you personally an idiot, my point is many of those who claim to be Leftwing really haven’t got a clue. Queers for Palastine for instance,is like chickens for KFC. Islam is all about expansion, always has been, always will be. Their whole religious/political ideology is a million miles from socialism/communism. When the “Left” has outlived its usefulness they’ll be dropped, Muslim Vote shows that’s already happening in the UK.
BTW there was a large mob of Muslim men armed with everything from swords and knives to baseball bats charging about Stoke last night, you won’t see it reported on our legacy media like BBC, Sly News or Ch4 but there’s plenty on YouTube. I don’t consider myself Rightwing , I’m a pragmatist not an ideologue but the Overton Window has moved so far to the left, that’s how I’m branded.
Have a good day mate, we’ve more n common than you might think but higher powers are playing divide and rule

Fair play, we might have different views but as long as there are no insults (or violence !!) that’s healthy !!

But watching a mob trashing a Citizens Advice Bureau in the name of “our country” makes my blood boil as you might detect !!

If this carries on I’ll be marching for Welsh independence!!

This post has got to be the most shocking I have read on this forum.

Three little girls got stabbed to death whilst at a dance class in Southport.
An army soldier got stabbed multiple times in an unprovoked attack.
829 immigrants freely crossed the channel to the UK in the last 7 days.
All these immigrants will be housed for free, have benefits and have free meals. Whilst there are over 300k people homeless and thousands of children starving in the UK.
The NHS and education sector is on it's arse because it can't cope with the increased population.
I could go on but I feel it's all falling on deaf ears.

But never mind all that, a punch of idiots trash a citizens advice bureau and that makes your blood boil and your going to march for Welsh independence. You are everything that's currently wrong with modern society and why this and most other countries are doomed.

What about all the crimes committed by white people? Where were these supposed “proud Britains” then. It’s a chance to kick off against people because of their skin colour, don’t try and pretend it’s anything more noble than that.

Besides the idiot who hired a van from pontycun and drove to London and mowed down innocent people outside a mosque, I can't think of any other terrorist attack in this country by a white person. The two crimes I referred to are shocking crimes and would have made headline news whatever the colour skin of the perpetrator or victims.

Hmmm, the killer of the Labour MP, or doesn’t that count.

Why do you think it was OK for the protestors to kick in the door of an Asian family and scare them to death ?

This is nothing but racism, bullying and hatred that has no place in a civilised society.

If you defend this then your time will come, very shortly I hope.

I did say that the van hire guy was all I could think of at the time of posting.

When did I say it was ok for these protesters, rioters, idiots, whatever you want to call them, to scare innocent people was ok, NEVER. You're trying to divert the attention from your earlier comment which in my book was the lowest of low.

The sooner the woke people of this country wake up and see what's going on in this country the better chance of us surviving, but it they are all like you we are doomed.

Oh get real !! And while you’re at it quit calling people “woke” just because they have an answer for anything the right wing want to raise. It’s not woke, it’s intellect.

There is nothing in my post that isn’t factual.

The pressure that was put on the NHS by the Tory cuts is massively more impactful on the service than any immigration numbers. FACT whether you like it or not.

I thank my lucky stars I’m Cardiff born and bred as there were 20 fascists and 400 anti-fascists down the Bay last night and today 7 fascists and 450 anti-fascists in town. Democracy in action !!

You criticise the word Woke then brand anyone protesting as a Fascist, so what type of Fascism do they espouse, are they like Salazar, or more like Mussolini who’s politics were Nationalist, or like Franco’s which had a religious dimension.
How much migration is too much, do you really think tens of thousands of undocumented young men should be allowed to invade our shores. What’s your answer apart from shouting Nazi scum along with a bunch of over privileged middle class leftwangers and students who don’t know shite about anything?

So are you saying anyone against these scum “know shite about anything” ??

Well I'm struggling to comment on all of this and will only say for now my thoughts are with the victims family.

The murderer is a young lad with autism, a mental issue. Therefore we cannot say there is any motive but an illness. Going on what we know of course.

What does disturb me is this incident is being used to fuel agendas. The authorities are saying these riots are being driven by the Far Right. Someare saying its normal people rioting due to the immigration subject. If this is so then sadly their excusing for wrecking a place is nullified.

If eventually the truth comes out that it was a mental illness and nothing to do with a persons beliefs I'm just wondering these that are leading the riots will admit they got it wrong? I doubt it.

Jock

In answer to your question I class this as definitely being in the Mussolini school of fascism. He was clear in his view of extreme devotion to country and the superiority of the Italian people.

These thugs believe that anyone disagreeing with them are wrong and stupid and believe they are superior.

I won’t go down the Hitler route because it’s too generic but certainly extremists within these groups would espouse to his doctrine.

Jock

Well I am “left wing” and I am nobody’s idiot nor am I calling you an idiot for your views.

I do agree that we have to limit immigration, but we also have to value it because with immigration our hospitality sector, NHS and care sector will simply collapse. FACT. Those people contribute hugely to our society.

Another poster has mentioned the number of Sharia Councils. They may exist, however, they have no legal standing.

Just like some of the Christian extremist councils and even organisations such as the Masonic Lodges.

As for EDL not existing, they do, they just hide the name. It’s an organisation “led” by a convicted fraudster, stalker,etc., arguing that immigrants are criminals !! It’s so pathetic it’s like a Monty Python sketch !!

So less of the b^$$^~¥s and let’s talk reality shall we.

I’m not calling you personally an idiot, my point is many of those who claim to be Leftwing really haven’t got a clue. Queers for Palastine for instance,is like chickens for KFC. Islam is all about expansion, always has been, always will be. Their whole religious/political ideology is a million miles from socialism/communism. When the “Left” has outlived its usefulness they’ll be dropped, Muslim Vote shows that’s already happening in the UK.
BTW there was a large mob of Muslim men armed with everything from swords and knives to baseball bats charging about Stoke last night, you won’t see it reported on our legacy media like BBC, Sly News or Ch4 but there’s plenty on YouTube. I don’t consider myself Rightwing , I’m a pragmatist not an ideologue but the Overton Window has moved so far to the left, that’s how I’m branded.
Have a good day mate, we’ve more n common than you might think but higher powers are playing divide and rule

Fair play, we might have different views but as long as there are no insults (or violence !!) that’s healthy !!

But watching a mob trashing a Citizens Advice Bureau in the name of “our country” makes my blood boil as you might detect !!

If this carries on I’ll be marching for Welsh independence!!

This post has got to be the most shocking I have read on this forum.

Three little girls got stabbed to death whilst at a dance class in Southport.
An army soldier got stabbed multiple times in an unprovoked attack.
829 immigrants freely crossed the channel to the UK in the last 7 days.
All these immigrants will be housed for free, have benefits and have free meals. Whilst there are over 300k people homeless and thousands of children starving in the UK.
The NHS and education sector is on it's arse because it can't cope with the increased population.
I could go on but I feel it's all falling on deaf ears.

But never mind all that, a punch of idiots trash a citizens advice bureau and that makes your blood boil and your going to march for Welsh independence. You are everything that's currently wrong with modern society and why this and most other countries are doomed.

What about all the crimes committed by white people? Where were these supposed “proud Britains” then. It’s a chance to kick off against people because of their skin colour, don’t try and pretend it’s anything more noble than that.

Besides the idiot who hired a van from pontycun and drove to London and mowed down innocent people outside a mosque, I can't think of any other terrorist attack in this country by a white person. The two crimes I referred to are shocking crimes and would have made headline news whatever the colour skin of the perpetrator or victims.

Hmmm, the killer of the Labour MP, or doesn’t that count.

Why do you think it was OK for the protestors to kick in the door of an Asian family and scare them to death ?

This is nothing but racism, bullying and hatred that has no place in a civilised society.

If you defend this then your time will come, very shortly I hope.

I did say that the van hire guy was all I could think of at the time of posting.

When did I say it was ok for these protesters, rioters, idiots, whatever you want to call them, to scare innocent people was ok, NEVER. You're trying to divert the attention from your earlier comment which in my book was the lowest of low.

The sooner the woke people of this country wake up and see what's going on in this country the better chance of us surviving, but it they are all like you we are doomed.

Oh get real !! And while you’re at it quit calling people “woke” just because they have an answer for anything the right wing want to raise. It’s not woke, it’s intellect.

There is nothing in my post that isn’t factual.

The pressure that was put on the NHS by the Tory cuts is massively more impactful on the service than any immigration numbers. FACT whether you like it or not.

I thank my lucky stars I’m Cardiff born and bred as there were 20 fascists and 400 anti-fascists down the Bay last night and today 7 fascists and 450 anti-fascists in town. Democracy in action !!

"Oh get real", that's laughable coming from you. Unfortunately you're so blinkered, your still not going to see reality when it smacks you in the face.

So you want me to quit calling people woke, but you insist on referring to my comments as "right wing" and then call people fascists and anti-fascists.......sums you up!

As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm not right wing, I'm realist who is very concerned for the future of this country.

You pointed out the government cuts in the NHS. Have you thought to wonder why they made these cuts? It is fact that the higher the population becomes the more demand there will be on the NHS and schools. So what's the answer? Build more hospitals and schools. Where's the money coming from to build these hospitals and schools? The government are already forking out billions to house and feed immigrants for free that cross the channel, while children go hungry cos their parents can't afford to put food on the table. For the 2023/24 financial year, the Home Office budgeted £19.5 billion to tackle immigration. £5.6 billion of this is for resettlement and accommodation. This is an increase of 733% over the last 5 years.

So, taking into account these figures. Do you think immigration has an impact on the NHS and education sector?

Well I'm struggling to comment on all of this and will only say for now my thoughts are with the victims family.

The murderer is a young lad with autism, a mental issue. Therefore we cannot say there is any motive but an illness. Going on what we know of course.

What does disturb me is this incident is being used to fuel agendas. The authorities are saying these riots are being driven by the Far Right. Someare saying its normal people rioting due to the immigration subject. If this is so then sadly their excusing for wrecking a place is nullified.

If eventually the truth comes out that it was a mental illness and nothing to do with a persons beliefs I'm just wondering these that are leading the riots will admit they got it wrong? I doubt it.

Sensible post mate

Jock

In answer to your question I class this as definitely being in the Mussolini school of fascism. He was clear in his view of extreme devotion to country and the superiority of the Italian people.

These thugs believe that anyone disagreeing with them are wrong and stupid and believe they are superior.

I won’t go down the Hitler route because it’s too generic but certainly extremists within these groups would espouse to his doctrine.

Followers of Islam believe their religion makes them superior to non Muslims.
It’s getting like cliche bingo now, racism, fascism, white suprematism, just need misogyny and I’ve got a full house.
BTW Mussolini was a fervent nationalist but didn’t care where you came from or if you were Jewish, as long as you considered yourself Italian. Got to say you criticising Mussolini after saying you’ll vote for Welsh Nationalism has a definite whiff of ironic hypocrisy about it.

I would like to know why the guys who beat up the coppers and broke the police womans nose in Manchester airport are all out on bail?
and the so called far right have either been charged already or will be kept under lock and key until they end up in the dock to be charged
and the footage i saw of asian men attacking the police in bolton have they joined the far right ?because thats all we hear that its far right thugs.

Are these the same Tory cuts that have left a £20bn black hole in the economy? Having it both ways is rather fanciful but not unexpected.

Duh !! You may want to rethink that !! It’s the economy that pays for the NHS and other services !!

We are borrowing £14bn a month to stay afloat. Does this ever register in looney lefty land?