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If you work for British Airways and have been on strike this week, next time you see a Soldier who's returned from Afghanistan make sure you tell him/her about your awful working conditions, poor uniform and low pay!! Let me know how you get on when you re-gain consciousness...

BA have been in talks with the Unite union. BA said "hey fool, I aren't getting on no plane"

BA have been in talks with the Unite union. BA said "hey fool, I aren't getting on no plane"

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it makes you laugh at least they got a f*cking job or do they want to be on the dole muppets!

it makes you laugh at least they got a f*cking job or do they want to be on the dole muppets!

No wonder they don't want to be identified. They get more perks than almost any other job, yet they moan about their low pay! One woman was saying she earns £11k a year basic, but I bet that most of them double their wages through overtime and I've heard their working week is nowhere near the 37 hours minimum most of the rest of us work. Yeah, they don't want to be identified in case the people they live near realise how unreasonable they're being over, of all things, pay

We'll get rid of a democracy next

We'll get rid of a democracy next

Can't see that happening

If you work for British Airways and have been on strike this week, next time you see a Soldier who's returned from Afghanistan make sure you tell him/her about your awful working conditions, poor uniform and low pay!! Let me know how you get on when you re-gain consciousness...

Spot on, mate

I agree id sack the lot of the fuckers then see how they feel with NO job then

Landslide Tory win in Wales........

Next time I fly I'll go out of my way not to fly with B.A. I wonder how many others feel the same as me?

If you work for British Airways and have been on strike this week, next time you see a Soldier who's returned from Afghanistan make sure you tell him/her about your awful working conditions, poor uniform and low pay!! Let me know how you get on when you re-gain consciousness...

100% Spot on - they should all be very very ashamed and get the sack. Greedy inconsiderate fools!!!!!!!

Well you lads would have been handy during the miners time.
Thatcher has had her way it seems.
You lads enjoy forest next week aye

Well you lads would have been handy during the miners time.
Thatcher has had her way it seems.
You lads enjoy forest next week aye

Nottingham, the land of scabs.

f*cking jumped up bus conductors, who get to better destinations than hirwain or splott (sorry hirwain and splott)
f*cking sack em, give their jobs to the mighty unwashed or another great cause

Well you lads would have been handy during the miners time.
Thatcher has had her way it seems.
You lads enjoy forest next week aye

Scargill?

Funily or not, the present socialist government have reclassified the government documents of that era. It's in Tebbits book though if you care read it. Scargill sold the Welsh miners, the east coal fields and the scottish out not Thatcher. The mines of Wales would still be producing coal now if it wasn't for Scargil and his lefty mates, pit heads would have been closed with mine workers being bused, over ground, to the shafts that were closest to the coal.

These people are trying to protect their pay,conditions and pensions.They all have families to feed,house and clothe.They have offered BA ways to save 62m yet they wont talk.they have even offered to take a cut in pay to keep services for the customer,but BA wont talk.You only get the info about this strike that the tory MPs and press want you to here.Its easy to have a go at people who strike for their pay and working conditions,but if our fore-fathers/mothers had not done this we would not have decent pay,pensions,holidays,sickness and free education.

Exactly - over 90% of the members agreed to strike in the ballot. Therefore I thought the democratic steps are for the strike.
Willie Walsh is trying to break the union along a few of his cronies.
Unions are there to protect the workers and their rights

GET BACK TO WORK YOU LAZY CADGING SODS!!

It was BA's management who pulled the deal off the table. How does this serve the airline or staff?

Last Friday the British Airways cabin crew dispute could have been within sight of a settlement. The union, Unite, had agreed to put the airline's offer, on crew numbers and terms and conditions, to its members. We had also set strike dates to be activated in the event that the membership turned down the proposals, which had been squeezed out of a reluctant management after months of talks.

Barely an hour later BA boss Willie Walsh snatched the offer off the table, without a word to the union. Clearly, he did not want the cabin crew having a say, a point which has apparently escaped those politicians who have been wading in on the company's side. I don't blame Gordon Brown for trying to bring together parties to resolve the dispute, but it is unfortunate that politicians always seem to want to kick unions and employees without considering management's responsibilities.

Much of the political positioning seems based on the misapprehension that Unite is refusing to talk to BA. In fact we have talked the hind legs off a donkey and will talk the front legs off too, if it will help.

Some people believe it is wrong that BA cabin crew get paid more than colleagues at other airlines. According to that argument, competition among staff means levelling down pay, while boardroom competition means levelling it up. I make no apology for the fact that union-organised employees are better paid than the majority of private sector workers denied our support and protection. That's what we are in business for.

And cabin crew bear no responsibility for BA's difficulties, and should not be singled out to pay for them. It was not cabin crew who fouled up the launch of Terminal 5, with its devastatingly bad publicity. It was not cabin crew who organised the fuel price-fixing racket which has cost BA hundreds of millions in fines. The airline's reputation for dirty tricks? Not cabin crew but management.

It is no surprise, then, that BA is also inept at industrial relations. But it takes a special sort of mismanagement to build on these catastrophes by then getting into a confrontation with the very people smarter airlines use as a marketing tool – the cabin crew on whom passengers depend for their safety and comfort.

Over the last few months these employees have been bullied by some of the airline's pilots, harassed by its managers, demonised by its PR specialists and stalked online by its internet snooping brigade. It is testimony to the determination of these "middle-England" employees that they have twice voted for industrial action to defend their dignity in the face of these tactics, worthy only of a Victorian mill owner.

But BA cabin crew have not been blind to the economic realities of the airline's position. They offered the company a package of savings which would have more than met their requirements – an extraordinary £60m worth of concessions. The fact that BA prefers the greater risk and cost of industrial action makes it clear that there is another agenda at work here.

It was BA's management who pulled the deal off the table. How does this serve the airline or staff?

Last Friday the British Airways cabin crew dispute could have been within sight of a settlement. The union, Unite, had agreed to put the airline's offer, on crew numbers and terms and conditions, to its members. We had also set strike dates to be activated in the event that the membership turned down the proposals, which had been squeezed out of a reluctant management after months of talks.

Barely an hour later BA boss Willie Walsh snatched the offer off the table, without a word to the union. Clearly, he did not want the cabin crew having a say, a point which has apparently escaped those politicians who have been wading in on the company's side. I don't blame Gordon Brown for trying to bring together parties to resolve the dispute, but it is unfortunate that politicians always seem to want to kick unions and employees without considering management's responsibilities.

Much of the political positioning seems based on the misapprehension that Unite is refusing to talk to BA. In fact we have talked the hind legs off a donkey and will talk the front legs off too, if it will help.

Some people believe it is wrong that BA cabin crew get paid more than colleagues at other airlines. According to that argument, competition among staff means levelling down pay, while boardroom competition means levelling it up. I make no apology for the fact that union-organised employees are better paid than the majority of private sector workers denied our support and protection. That's what we are in business for.

And cabin crew bear no responsibility for BA's difficulties, and should not be singled out to pay for them. It was not cabin crew who fouled up the launch of Terminal 5, with its devastatingly bad publicity. It was not cabin crew who organised the fuel price-fixing racket which has cost BA hundreds of millions in fines. The airline's reputation for dirty tricks? Not cabin crew but management.

It is no surprise, then, that BA is also inept at industrial relations. But it takes a special sort of mismanagement to build on these catastrophes by then getting into a confrontation with the very people smarter airlines use as a marketing tool – the cabin crew on whom passengers depend for their safety and comfort.

Over the last few months these employees have been bullied by some of the airline's pilots, harassed by its managers, demonised by its PR specialists and stalked online by its internet snooping brigade. It is testimony to the determination of these "middle-England" employees that they have twice voted for industrial action to defend their dignity in the face of these tactics, worthy only of a Victorian mill owner.

But BA cabin crew have not been blind to the economic realities of the airline's position. They offered the company a package of savings which would have more than met their requirements – an extraordinary £60m worth of concessions. The fact that BA prefers the greater risk and cost of industrial action makes it clear that there is another agenda at work here.

Your wasting your time mate, the industrial S.Wales as we knew it is being taken over by the Tory minded. This generation have no thought or liking to trade Unions and selfishness and greed will take over.

Good luck to Unite and I hope you achive your goals, Walsh is nothing but a dictorial bully. Same lines as Thatcher, Michael Edwards and the Yank who took on the Steelmen.

It was BA's management who pulled the deal off the table. How does this serve the airline or staff?

Last Friday the British Airways cabin crew dispute could have been within sight of a settlement. The union, Unite, had agreed to put the airline's offer, on crew numbers and terms and conditions, to its members. We had also set strike dates to be activated in the event that the membership turned down the proposals, which had been squeezed out of a reluctant management after months of talks.

Barely an hour later BA boss Willie Walsh snatched the offer off the table, without a word to the union. Clearly, he did not want the cabin crew having a say, a point which has apparently escaped those politicians who have been wading in on the company's side. I don't blame Gordon Brown for trying to bring together parties to resolve the dispute, but it is unfortunate that politicians always seem to want to kick unions and employees without considering management's responsibilities.

Much of the political positioning seems based on the misapprehension that Unite is refusing to talk to BA. In fact we have talked the hind legs off a donkey and will talk the front legs off too, if it will help.

Some people believe it is wrong that BA cabin crew get paid more than colleagues at other airlines. According to that argument, competition among staff means levelling down pay, while boardroom competition means levelling it up. I make no apology for the fact that union-organised employees are better paid than the majority of private sector workers denied our support and protection. That's what we are in business for.

And cabin crew bear no responsibility for BA's difficulties, and should not be singled out to pay for them. It was not cabin crew who fouled up the launch of Terminal 5, with its devastatingly bad publicity. It was not cabin crew who organised the fuel price-fixing racket which has cost BA hundreds of millions in fines. The airline's reputation for dirty tricks? Not cabin crew but management.

It is no surprise, then, that BA is also inept at industrial relations. But it takes a special sort of mismanagement to build on these catastrophes by then getting into a confrontation with the very people smarter airlines use as a marketing tool – the cabin crew on whom passengers depend for their safety and comfort.

Over the last few months these employees have been bullied by some of the airline's pilots, harassed by its managers, demonised by its PR specialists and stalked online by its internet snooping brigade. It is testimony to the determination of these "middle-England" employees that they have twice voted for industrial action to defend their dignity in the face of these tactics, worthy only of a Victorian mill owner.

But BA cabin crew have not been blind to the economic realities of the airline's position. They offered the company a package of savings which would have more than met their requirements – an extraordinary £60m worth of concessions. The fact that BA prefers the greater risk and cost of industrial action makes it clear that there is another agenda at work here.

good post

very well stated