Can Cardiff City Be

As big a club as Leeds United were when we knocked them out of the cup?
Been a lot of debate on ere between Leeds and cardiff as clubs now and the past, but if we do go up this season and then establish ourselves as a premiership club do you think we got push and challenge up the top end of the table like the Leeds side of Ferdinand smith vaduka kewell..?? Because Leeds wasn't really expected to do as well as they did so could we for example do the same?

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

That should be Wakefield.

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

For Cardiff (330k), Newport (135k) and the valleys, they have Leeds (700k), Wakefield (320k) and Keighley, Pontefract, Castleford and Harrogate. this is before you add in large towns with lower league clubs that they also call on when in the Prem, Doncaster, Scunthorpe, Rotherham and York.

Last edited by Wayne S on Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

Still smaller

This may help. It also shows why we see off Bristol for crowds especially as they have two clubs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me ... ed_Kingdom

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... population

Population of Leeds and Warrington = 950,000
Population of Cardiff,Newport and Valleys(I've counted Rhondda Cynon Taff,Merthyr,torfaen,Caerphilly,Blaenau Gwent,vale of Glamorgan,Bridgend) = 1,390,000
I didn't add areas like Neath port talbot or caermarthen etc because you could argue they are Swansea territory or say 50/50 split between cardiff and Swansea supporters.
Swansea = 238,700

By going off them population figures added up its fair to say we have massive potential imo

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... population

Population of Leeds and Warrington = 950,000

Population of Cardiff,Newport and Valleys(I've counted Rhondda Cynon Taff,Merthyr,torfaen,Caerphilly,Blaenau Gwent,vale of Glamorgan,Bridgend) = 1,390,000
I didn't add areas like Neath port talbot or caermarthen etc because you could argue they are Swansea territory or say 50/50 split between cardiff and Swansea supporters.
Swansea = 238,700

By going off them population figures added up its fair to say we have massive potential imo

If you're talking whole Metropolitan areas it 1million us, 2.3million them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me ... ed_Kingdom

When you get down to it and all things being equal, club size is all about fan base and that is judged by population.

Ignoring history, billionaire ownership and success Leeds are bigger than us, they are a one team city and a very large city at that, they can call on a close neighbouring city in Warrington to gain further fans. warri ton is the size of Cardiff and without much footballing pedigree, add to that Bradford and you have a core that is massive.

So if we were all starting again Leeds would be bigger than us but we would be bigger than Swansea. A very basic view and ignoring current situations.

Ok so what about Newport as a neighbouring city for us plus the whole of the South Wales valleys?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... population

Population of Leeds and Warrington = 950,000



Population of Cardiff,Newport and Valleys(I've counted Rhondda Cynon Taff,Merthyr,torfaen,Caerphilly,Blaenau Gwent,vale of Glamorgan,Bridgend) = 1,390,000
I didn't add areas like Neath port talbot or caermarthen etc because you could argue they are Swansea territory or say 50/50 split between cardiff and Swansea supporters.
Swansea = 238,700

By going off them population figures added up its fair to say we have massive potential imo

If you're talking whole Metropolitan areas it 1million us, 2.3million them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me ... ed_Kingdom

Yeh that's a better way of judging it but going by that link they have only included Merthyr pontypridd Newport Bridgend ebbw vale and Caerphilly and if you consider other clubs around in them areas we haven't got any , Swansea if you count them, they got Bradford and Huddersfield and Bradford have got good support so my opinion is that it could be closer than you think

And after looking at them population figures I didn't realise how small Swansea was! They are about the same in population as Rhondda cynon Taff! No wonder we call them Swansea town what's your argument against those facts and statistics then jack bastards?

Yeh that's a better way of judging it but going by that link they have only included Merthyr pontypridd Newport Bridgend ebbw vale and Caerphilly and if you consider other clubs around in them areas we haven't got any , Swansea if you count them, they got Bradford and Huddersfield and Bradford have got good support so my opinion is that it could be closer than you think

It includes the WHOLE area, they have shown, Caerphilly, Bridgend and the like as examples of the larger areas.

You can take the likes of Huddersfield and Bradford out if you wish, but you then have to take out Newport with a football team. Even that makes their area twice ours, 900k to 1.8million.

And after looking at them population figures I didn't realise how small Swansea was! They are about the same in population as Rhondda cynon Taff! No wonder we call them Swansea town what's your argument against those facts and statistics then jack bastards?

They do have the whole of West Wales though which is outside the Metropolitan area. Not a massive area but something for them to call upon.

leeds wasnt expected to do that well? when we beat them in the cup, they had the best squad in england by a country mile. Its going to take alot of time to get there, so no imo we wont be as big as them for a long time, it wasnt that long ago they lost in a semi final of the champions league and they could have easier got to the final and won it. cant see us being in there

leeds wasnt expected to do that well? when we beat them in the cup, they had the best squad in england by a country mile. Its going to take alot of time to get there, so no imo we wont be as big as them for a long time, it wasnt that long ago they lost in a semi final of the champions league and they could have easier got to the final and won it. cant see us being in there

What I meant was a few seasons before that you wouldn't have expected Leeds to do so well

Its all irrelevant really. Leeds were obviously a bigger Club than us and historically
pretty much always have been. But so have Bolton, so have Blackburn, both those
Clubs were bigger than Leeds in their day. When do you stop living in the past?

Right now, we are getting bigger gates than all three, we are heading for the Premiership.
None of the three teams mentioned are likely to be in the Premiership next season.

So next season we will be getting FAR BIGGER crowds. If Tan gets his act together we will
be getting 30,000+ crowds next season, in a higher league. We will be spending more on
players, we will have more season ticket holders. How else do you gauge a Clubs 'size'??

Leeds are still BIG in their own minds and perhaps thats a massive part of their problem

Are you sure Wakefield has a pop.of320,i thought it was the size of Newport? Leeds will always be bigger because of their glory days of the 60's and 70's,they still draw support from all over G.B.

Are you sure Wakefield has a pop.of320,i thought it was the size of Newport? Leeds will always be bigger because of their glory days of the 60's and 70's,they still draw support from all over G.B.

http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/AboutWakefi ... efault.htm

Are you sure Wakefield has a pop.of320,i thought it was the size of Newport? Leeds will always be bigger because of their glory days of the 60's and 70's,they still draw support from all over G.B.

http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/AboutWakefi ... efault.htm

Well i never.