Giving students a bad name - Cait Reilly

http://news.sky.com/story/1051035/pound ... ins-appeal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/vide ... illy-video

What a lazy cow. She didn't work there for free. She worked there in return for her JSA which she should be grateful for. There are taxpayers in this country getting up at hours that this plonker was going on the lash at in university to work a full day before falling into bed and starting the cycle all again just to keep a roof over their families head.

'She was told she would lose jobseeker's allowance if she refused and spent two weeks stacking shelves and cleaning floors.'


Welcome to the real world. A bit of graft never hurt anybody. 15 hours per week for 2 weeks? 3 hours per day doing a pretty easy job? Hardly going to ruin your chances of job hunting is it?

The term 'forced labour' as well makes my blood boil. She doesn't know what forced labour is and I suggest before she starts making stupid claims like that she goes and asks the Japanese about such a thing. Also slaves died in camps under forced labour and she's throwing about this term to describe '30 hours work in return for JSA'. Absolute joke.

She should, like anyone else, myself included once I finish university, have to put in a bit of work to help the country. I don't see the issue at all. Add it to your CV. Explain in future interviews why you were happy to do it rather than sitting on your arse doing nothing etc and I can guarantee an employer will look at you in a more positive light.

'I was just stacking shelves and cleaning floors at Poundland' - she even says it like she is above the job.

No wonder students are generalised when you got cretins like this giving us a bad name. They should stop her JSA with immediate effect if that is her attitude. I feel sorry for the older generation who have to see this once hard working nation turn into a docile waste of space.

8 minutes in and this guy sums it up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... jobs-video

Just another student come out of university thinking the world owes them a top job when it really doesn't.

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

'forced labour' - any unpaid opportunities should be voluntary.

if she was at university studying for 3 years i very much doubt she is the lazy scumbag you try to portray her as.

but dont let all that get in the way of some pent up rage eh

Last edited by cardiffT on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

Exactly right.

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

No benefit to her? Yes there is.

She works - she gets JSA.
The company get someone working for them. They do pay, they pay tax which goes into the pot to help said student get JSA.
The skills (which you may not have), connections you make, etc. on any job are of importance.

I worked in construction before uni and met some great people and these are connections you keep. You make friends in the work place and you keep on top of things and don't fall into a rut.

The simple thing is she liked the museum because it was voluntary and because of that basis she could clock off when she wanted because she doesn't want to work doing a job like that quite simply. Working in Poundland she has to work the set hours in return for JSA and she didn't like it. Just like the bunch of clock watchers in the working world who go home dead on 4pm because they are feckless. She's not fooling anyone.

I hear it all the time from students and I say that as a student living amongst other students. Any job is an education and in any job you still learn new things and meet new people and its all a life lesson.

'if she was at university studying for 3 years i very much doubt she is the lazy scumbag you try to portray her as.'


I guess you've not been to university then mate. Some are at university just taking the pee at the expense of the taxpayer.

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

No benefit to her? Yes there is.

She works - she gets JSA.
The company get someone working for them. They do pay, they pay tax which goes into the pot to help said student get JSA.
The skills (which you may not have), connections you make, etc. on any job are of importance.

I worked in construction before uni and met some great people and these are connections you keep. You make friends in the work place and you keep on top of things and don't fall into a rut.

The simple thing is she liked the museum because it was voluntary and because of that basis she could clock off when she wanted because she doesn't want to work doing a job like that quite simply. Working in Poundland she has to work the set hours in return for JSA and she didn't like it. Just like the bunch of clock watchers in the working world who go home dead on 4pm because they are feckless. She's not fooling anyone.

I hear it all the time from students and I say that as a student living amongst other students. Any job is an education and in any job you still learn new things and meet new people and its all a life lesson.

'if she was at university studying for 3 years i very much doubt she is the lazy scumbag you try to portray her as.'


I guess you've not been to university then mate. Some are at university just taking the pee at the expense of the taxpayer.

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

I'd be pissed off if someone made me work in poundland for free. I'd end up killing someone.

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

Again, what is wrong with her working for JSA? Who do you think pays into the pot to cover the JSA expenses? The taxpayer. Who are the taxpayers? The companies such as Poundland who turnover a lot and therefore pay a bigger share.

People claiming should work IMO or at minimum be on an education training course.

I'd be pissed off if someone made me work in poundland for free. I'd end up killing someone.

Its not for free though. Its for jobseekers allowance.

Kevin Bridges said it well himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_klXoTLKw

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

Again, what is wrong with her working for JSA? Who do you think pays into the pot to cover the JSA expenses? The taxpayer. Who are the taxpayers? The companies such as Poundland who turnover a lot and therefore pay a bigger share.

People claiming should work IMO or at minimum be on an education training course.

The majority of Jsa will come from working individuals and not large corporations who pay tax (if they pay any at all...).

The thing is by having people working for free to get there Jsa means large companies can have free labour rather than employ somebody on minimum wage.

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

Again, what is wrong with her working for JSA? Who do you think pays into the pot to cover the JSA expenses? The taxpayer. Who are the taxpayers? The companies such as Poundland who turnover a lot and therefore pay a bigger share.

People claiming should work IMO or at minimum be on an education training course.

Shot yourself in the foot by saying that the taxpayers are the 'companies who turn over a lot' when Starbucks, Google etc have all been caught tax-dodging.

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

Again, what is wrong with her working for JSA? Who do you think pays into the pot to cover the JSA expenses? The taxpayer. Who are the taxpayers? The companies such as Poundland who turnover a lot and therefore pay a bigger share.

People claiming should work IMO or at minimum be on an education training course.

What are you on about. This is the funniest thread I have read in a while.

IF there is work available, poundland should be paying the market rate to someone, not nabbing them off some list at the job centre.

I actually kinda agree with getting people on JSA to do work after X weeks but do you really think the best way this country could benefit from using their time is to give them to poundland. It doesn't benefit her, it doesn't benefit the local economy and it doesn't benefit the country as a whole, f*cking horrendous policy and the Tories haven't seemed to realise this yet.

Link didn't open on my phone.

Why does she need to work for free to claim JSA?

Parasites, including barnett whos jumped accounts again because another is banned for calling me such names, the old guard would be turning hard in there graves at this

Surely if can't be as idiotic as redbird is claiming?

Clearly a case of someone is board and just looking to argue an idiotic scenario.

The way these government forced labour schemes work i when you have your interview for JSA in the job center they ask you if you have any interest in taking part in any work experience schemes.

If you give any indication that you have any interest in doing this, verbally or otherwise you're locked into doing them.

You are required to work for places like Tesco or Poundland performing jobs that by rights should be given to the job seekers as real jobs.

If you refuse after giving your verbal consent you have your JSA taken from you.

The way these government forced labour schemes work i when you have your interview for JSA in the job center they ask you if you have any interest in taking part in any work experience schemes.

If you give any indication that you have any interest in doing this, verbally or otherwise you're locked into doing them.

You are required to work for places like Tesco or Poundland performing jobs that by rights should be given to the job seekers as real jobs.

If you refuse after giving your verbal consent you have your JSA taken from you.

Makes you laugh yet they won't let you go a course or training over 16 hours because it means you don't have enough time to look for a job.

The way these government forced labour schemes work i when you have your interview for JSA in the job center they ask you if you have any interest in taking part in any work experience schemes.

If you give any indication that you have any interest in doing this, verbally or otherwise you're locked into doing them.

You are required to work for places like Tesco or Poundland performing jobs that by rights should be given to the job seekers as real jobs.

If you refuse after giving your verbal consent you have your JSA taken from you.

Makes you laugh yet they won't let you go a course or training over 16 hours because it means you don't have enough time to look for a job.

I find it mad there's so little press coverage of these schemes. They're effectively slave labour and they harm the economy by taking money out of it.

The way these government forced labour schemes work i when you have your interview for JSA in the job center they ask you if you have any interest in taking part in any work experience schemes.

If you give any indication that you have any interest in doing this, verbally or otherwise you're locked into doing them.

You are required to work for places like Tesco or Poundland performing jobs that by rights should be given to the job seekers as real jobs.

If you refuse after giving your verbal consent you have your JSA taken from you.

Makes you laugh yet they won't let you go a course or training over 16 hours because it means you don't have enough time to look for a job.

I find it mad there's so little press coverage of these schemes. They're effectively slave labour and they harm the economy by taking money out of it.

exactly my point, and i'm glad you and others see the bigger picture here.

putting all daily mail knee jerk reactions to one side, and this is basically government subsidising people working for poundland for free, and taking away jobs from people that would have been employed instead of the forced volunteers.

its a well intentioned policy, but the reality is the above. jobs for graduates are very hard to come by, and the future of this country isnt looking good unfortunately

'I guess you've not been to university then mate. Some are at university just taking the pee at the expense of the taxpayer.'

i dont know what stone you've been under for the past few years but the government is now charging £9000 a year (excluding welsh people) for tuition fees.

wrong again, let me explain in more simple terms.

a shop has a vacancy. they can either employ someone and pay them minimum wage, or they can just get someone for free off this government scheme.

guess what they will do. and secondly, try and work out the wider consequences of such a policy.

i volunteer at a charity shop on weekends but that is because i want to do it. i am not forced to, that would be illegal.

Again, what is wrong with her working for JSA? Who do you think pays into the pot to cover the JSA expenses? The taxpayer. Who are the taxpayers? The companies such as Poundland who turnover a lot and therefore pay a bigger share.

People claiming should work IMO or at minimum be on an education training course.

I see your point but people should be put into placements where they will gain experience or qualifications for something or a career path where they want to get into therefore benefiting themselves, being made to do something they don't want to do isn't fair and is like slave labour and company's like pound land getting free labour will take advantage of this stupid government scheme. Same story the government are clueless cunts.
It's like prison, they just throw people in prison I.e drug addicts thieving when a prison sentence isn't the answer, rehabilitation and curing the drug addiction is the problem.
Making someone work in pound land for nothing isn't the answer to getting people into employment and reducing high unemployment figures, if you think that is the answer then you are duller than you sound, take your blinkers off

I'd rather have people work for care homes, schools, stuff that will benefit community as a whole, Poundland dont need this.

i dont know what stone you've been under for the past few years but the government is now charging £9000 a year (excluding welsh people) for tuition fees.

You get them in the form of student loans, out of the cash pot. They don't pay these fees up front. If a student never earns over £21k then they won't pay a thing back. Then they only pay back around 9% on their earnings over £21k.

Im covered under the older system of earning over £15k and paying back less. However, if I was under the new system and earning £25k I would be paying back £30 per month. Simple fact is many won't be earning over £21k for years with the current jobs crisis so are quite happy to go to university for a good time and not have a care in the world. That is why you have students on courses where the employability rate is less than 5%.

I'd rather have people work for care homes, schools, stuff that will benefit community as a whole, Poundland dont need this.

I agree with the sentiment, ie work in the community but I have the unfortunate experience of going down the job centre and I've never seen so many rough people (not all obviously) but a mass amount of people in jogging bottoms, I wouldn't want a lot of these people near me for more than a few minutes nevermind homes or schools.

and who paid for her legal fees in her case againast the goverment?? yep you guessed it we the tax payer (legal aid)

i dont know what stone you've been under for the past few years but the government is now charging £9000 a year (excluding welsh people) for tuition fees.

You get them in the form of student loans, out of the cash pot. They don't pay these fees up front. If a student never earns over £21k then they won't pay a thing back. Then they only pay back around 9% on their earnings over £21k.

Im covered under the older system of earning over £15k and paying back less. However, if I was under the new system and earning £25k I would be paying back £30 per month. Simple fact is many won't be earning over £21k for years with the current jobs crisis so are quite happy to go to university for a good time and not have a care in the world. That is why you have students on courses where the employability rate is less than 5%.

yea i know, due to ill health i have had to put off going to uni for 2 years, i will start next sep, and in that time the tuition has raised to £9K for english people and stayed roughly the same for welsh, outrageous and unfair!!

i just get peed off when people have that knee jerk reaction people are lazy and so on when clearly they arent, very few people are genuinly happy living off dole money.

apologies for being rude before by the way pal

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

No benefit to her? Yes there is.

She works - she gets JSA.
The company get someone working for them. They do pay, they pay tax which goes into the pot to help said student get JSA.
The skills (which you may not have), connections you make, etc. on any job are of importance.

I worked in construction before uni and met some great people and these are connections you keep. You make friends in the work place and you keep on top of things and don't fall into a rut.

The simple thing is she liked the museum because it was voluntary and because of that basis she could clock off when she wanted because she doesn't want to work doing a job like that quite simply. Working in Poundland she has to work the set hours in return for JSA and she didn't like it. Just like the bunch of clock watchers in the working world who go home dead on 4pm because they are feckless. She's not fooling anyone.

I hear it all the time from students and I say that as a student living amongst other students. Any job is an education and in any job you still learn new things and meet new people and its all a life lesson.

'if she was at university studying for 3 years i very much doubt she is the lazy scumbag you try to portray her as.'


I guess you've not been to university then mate. Some are at university just taking the pee at the expense of the taxpayer.

But the point is Poundland get peopple for free. Why should they employ people when they can get them for free? Or put another way for slavery. It's a back door way of getting rid of the mininum wage.

If poundland or Tesco's et al need people then employ them. That in turn would reduce the dole queues. You see companies like Tesco announcing huge profits yet they skimp on staff wages by putting in those God awful self service tills.

And yes I'd love to see people on the dole up and out in the morning. But the best way to do this is to create some f*cking jobs. They closed all the pits so that they could buy from overseas. They even closed Remploy who kept disabled people in work, who I might are probably better off on benefits now their jobs have been taken away. That didn't stop them protesting to keep their jobs though. Create the jobs then cut all the benefits as far as I'm concerned. But don't take their jobs away only to then blame them for it.

I will say though if the government want to replace paid jobs with non-paid ones, then why not start closer to home? Why should MP's get paid? Honestly, why should they? If the politicians job was unpaid you would still get plenty of people standing to be MP's. Then perhaps we would get people standing to really serve the people rather than just to line their own pockets. A lot of councilors don't get paid but there are still plenty of people who want to serve. Magistrates also serve for free. Why not MP's for a change? We are in this together aern't we?

A thread based purely on wild assumptions, baseless facts and stereotyping...do you work for WalesOnline???

being a student you should know we're not entitled to JSA so your version doesn't work out. I agree she should earn her JSA though

Good on her for standing up to something. Yet again it seems like the youth give a shit.

i dont think you have quite grasped her situation.

why should a massive company like poundland be able to recruit people work for free to fill positions that they would otherwise have to employ someone on minimum wage to do? the only benefit is the company, not the government, and not the woman.

No benefit to her? Yes there is.

She works - she gets JSA.
The company get someone working for them. They do pay, they pay tax which goes into the pot to help said student get JSA.
The skills (which you may not have), connections you make, etc. on any job are of importance.

I worked in construction before uni and met some great people and these are connections you keep. You make friends in the work place and you keep on top of things and don't fall into a rut.

The simple thing is she liked the museum because it was voluntary and because of that basis she could clock off when she wanted because she doesn't want to work doing a job like that quite simply. Working in Poundland she has to work the set hours in return for JSA and she didn't like it. Just like the bunch of clock watchers in the working world who go home dead on 4pm because they are feckless. She's not fooling anyone.

I hear it all the time from students and I say that as a student living amongst other students. Any job is an education and in any job you still learn new things and meet new people and its all a life lesson.

'if she was at university studying for 3 years i very much doubt she is the lazy scumbag you try to portray her as.'


I guess you've not been to university then mate. Some are at university just taking the pee at the expense of the taxpayer.

But the point is Poundland get peopple for free. Why should they employ people when they can get them for free? Or put another way for slavery. It's a back door way of getting rid of the mininum wage.

If poundland or Tesco's et al need people then employ them. That in turn would reduce the dole queues. You see companies like Tesco announcing huge profits yet they skimp on staff wages by putting in those God awful self service tills.

And yes I'd love to see people on the dole up and out in the morning. But the best way to do this is to create some f*cking jobs. They closed all the pits so that they could buy from overseas. They even closed Remploy who kept disabled people in work, who I might are probably better off on benefits now their jobs have been taken away. That didn't stop them protesting to keep their jobs though. Create the jobs then cut all the benefits as far as I'm concerned. But don't take their jobs away only to then blame them for it.

I will say though if the government want to replace paid jobs with non-paid ones, then why not start closer to home? Why should MP's get paid? Honestly, why should they? If the politicians job was unpaid you would still get plenty of people standing to be MP's. Then perhaps we would get people standing to really serve the people rather than just to line their own pockets. A lot of councilors don't get paid but there are still plenty of people who want to serve. Magistrates also serve for free. Why not MP's for a change? We are in this together aern't we?

Unpaid MPs is a stupid idea. It would just end up in only people with large amounts of wealth or a spouse that earns enough money to own two houses being the only people to afford being mps.