After Tues...No more a Reluctant Red !!!

I've always tried to keep an open mind about the rebrand and way up the pros and cons. I'd prefer to stay blue (as would the vast majority of fans) but in fairness, VT saved our club financially at a time when we were in dire trouble, and he has put his money where his mouth is, so was a bit of compromise a small price to pay for our survival?

I went to the game on Tues, walked in as normal and was handed a red scarf, At this stage I admit, I hadn't made a decision on whether to take it or not, so I took it, rolled it up and put it in my pocket. The more scarfs I saw, the more uncomfortable I began to feel. When I climbed the stairs and walked in to the bar and saw a sea of scarves, I felt empty, for the first time, I no longer recognised my club. For the first time I felt the full force of the rebrand. Red and white scarves everywhere! It was like a Wales Rugby international! I was expecting Max Boyce to jump out any minute shouting Oggy Oggy Oggy

So for me, no more a Reluctant Red, Im going back to blue. I totally respect VT for all he has done to save and improve the club, and I respect he wants to do things his way. I also respect long serving fans who "put up with" the rebrand for for the security and success of our future, we all want to see a successful Cardiff City. But surely there's room for compromise? Surely there's a way to embrace both progress and heritage? Surely the new vision of our club doesn't have to mean wiping the slate completely clean of our history and identity?

There must be a better way forward to keep fans both old and new happy? If we can get all major fans groups to work together, then surely we can all do something as a compromise?

I've always tried to keep an open mind about the rebrand and way up the pros and cons. I'd prefer to stay blue (as would the vast majority of fans) but in fairness, VT saved our club financially at a time when we were in dire trouble, and he has put his money where his mouth is, so was a bit of compromise a small price to pay for our survival?

I went to the game on Tues, walked in as normal and was handed a red scarf, At this stage I admit, I hadn't made a decision on whether to take it or not, so I took it, rolled it up and put it in my pocket. The more scarfs I saw, the more uncomfortable I began to feel. When I climbed the stairs and walked in to the bar and saw a sea of scarves, I felt empty, for the first time, I no longer recognised my club. For the first time I felt the full force of the rebrand. Red and white scarves everywhere! It was like a Wales Rugby international! I was expecting Max Boyce to jump out any minute shouting Oggy Oggy Oggy

So for me, no more a Reluctant Red, Im going back to blue. I totally respect VT for all he has done to save and improve the club, and I respect he wants to do things his way. I also respect long serving fans who "put up with" the rebrand for for the security and success of our future, we all want to see a successful Cardiff City. But surely there's room for compromise? Surely there's a way to embrace both progress and heritage? Surely the new vision of our club doesn't have to mean wiping the slate completely clean of our history and identity?

There must be a better way forward to keep fans both old and new happy? If we can get all major fans groups to work together, then surely we can all do something as a compromise?

Too much common sense in that post, how do you get away with it?
It sums up my feelings as well. I was quite shocked and embarrassed to see how many people were quite happily walking around with 2 or 3 red scarves around their neck. Especially as they had all gone by the time we rolled up

I've always tried to keep an open mind about the rebrand and way up the pros and cons. I'd prefer to stay blue (as would the vast majority of fans) but in fairness, VT saved our club financially at a time when we were in dire trouble, and he has put his money where his mouth is, so was a bit of compromise a small price to pay for our survival?

I went to the game on Tues, walked in as normal and was handed a red scarf, At this stage I admit, I hadn't made a decision on whether to take it or not, so I took it, rolled it up and put it in my pocket. The more scarfs I saw, the more uncomfortable I began to feel. When I climbed the stairs and walked in to the bar and saw a sea of scarves, I felt empty, for the first time, I no longer recognised my club. For the first time I felt the full force of the rebrand. Red and white scarves everywhere! It was like a Wales Rugby international! I was expecting Max Boyce to jump out any minute shouting Oggy Oggy Oggy

So for me, no more a Reluctant Red, Im going back to blue. I totally respect VT for all he has done to save and improve the club, and I respect he wants to do things his way. I also respect long serving fans who "put up with" the rebrand for for the security and success of our future, we all want to see a successful Cardiff City. But surely there's room for compromise? Surely there's a way to embrace both progress and heritage? Surely the new vision of our club doesn't have to mean wiping the slate completely clean of our history and identity?

There must be a better way forward to keep fans both old and new happy? If we can get all major fans groups to work together, then surely we can all do something as a compromise?

Most decent post and sensible I have seen on this.

Also it can be done but most of the things planned on here never actually happen.. I have seen so many threads since the rebrand was announced and ways to change it.

The closest I have seen is the KCB but the people in it lacked spirit and fight as they didn't continue their group.

"'I'd rather stay blue but___" is the most bullshit phrase on this whole message board. If fans would have showed some backbone we could have had the investment from VT without bending over and being "redboys".

Football is a business without a doubt, without the global revenue from marketing and other global projects, and help attract financial muscle from other parts of the world, Barcelona and Real Madrid would have disappeared years ago, that's a fact. Yes the two clubs mentioned are world names and massive clubs in European and world football. but without the constant marketing of countries with billions of fans. they wouldn't be where they are today without penny pinching from Asia, America or China.

I think every CCFC fan will agree, TAN could have and should have done things differently, he should have consulted the fans and organized a forum or a simple fans vote to test the water. But, he didn't and I think deep down he knows this.

But - Tan also has the experience in the above said countries and I personally think the club as a whole is a lot more professional and he knows what he is doing. Tan owns the McDonalds franchise in Malaysia, he also has recently developed the Biggest Shopping Center in the world in China, (£35b). The Berjeya group is massive and even looking at the website shows you the wealth and business acumen he brings to a football club.

To think that out club CCFC, about 10 years ago was playing 3rd tier football in front of a very derelict stadium, goes to show how far we have come. Yes Sam was part of that, yes Sam brought a sense of direction. But our old forum was called the 'Sleeping Giant' and to be fair, Tan has taken advantage of that.

Think about it a little, sorry to rant on... In the last accounts he has personally (ok a loan @ 7%) £53 million and rising by about £1m per month. If he settled the debt as noted in the last accounts and wiped the slate clean, that will cost him what is it about £85m. He will own outright, a club trading in the best league in the world with massive global and outrageous TV revenues. Own a stadium worth in excess of £45m, and with easy plans to expand from 28k to 60k. Own a very decent and profitable squad and a rapidly expanding youth and academy system. All for what £85m?? these figures may not be spot on but Jesus, you couldn't buy Wigan for less?

I just think we need to get behind CCFC, as is until things change anyway. Lets just enjoy the ride, ok if you don't like the re-brand, it don't mean the club don't need your support and your fantastic loyalty. Its still CCFC, as Ive said before its choice.

Lets live and enjoy the dream, I'm sure we all agree its far better than when we were hrs from admin!!!

Great post!!

I've always tried to keep an open mind about the rebrand and way up the pros and cons. I'd prefer to stay blue (as would the vast majority of fans) but in fairness, VT saved our club financially at a time when we were in dire trouble, and he has put his money where his mouth is, so was a bit of compromise a small price to pay for our survival?

I went to the game on Tues, walked in as normal and was handed a red scarf, At this stage I admit, I hadn't made a decision on whether to take it or not, so I took it, rolled it up and put it in my pocket. The more scarfs I saw, the more uncomfortable I began to feel. When I climbed the stairs and walked in to the bar and saw a sea of scarves, I felt empty, for the first time, I no longer recognised my club. For the first time I felt the full force of the rebrand. Red and white scarves everywhere! It was like a Wales Rugby international! I was expecting Max Boyce to jump out any minute shouting Oggy Oggy Oggy

So for me, no more a Reluctant Red, Im going back to blue. I totally respect VT for all he has done to save and improve the club, and I respect he wants to do things his way. I also respect long serving fans who "put up with" the rebrand for for the security and success of our future, we all want to see a successful Cardiff City. But surely there's room for compromise? Surely there's a way to embrace both progress and heritage? Surely the new vision of our club doesn't have to mean wiping the slate completely clean of our history and identity?

There must be a better way forward to keep fans both old and new happy? If we can get all major fans groups to work together, then surely we can all do something as a compromise?

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

a compromises seems to be the way forward but Tan will not give in would you look how many people wore those scarfs what is that telling him.

He dont care about anyone except himself he has ruined a proud club.

Most decent post and sensible I have seen on this.

Also it can be done but most of the things planned on here never actually happen.. I have seen so many threads since the rebrand was announced and ways to change it.

The closest I have seen is the KCB but the people in it lacked spirit and fight as they didn't continue their group.

Very good point.

When 2,500 fans protested against Ridsdale in 2010 they were motivated by the criminal way he had run the club mainly for his own benefit it has to be said. We the fans could see someone literally ripping the club apart and that prompted direct action.

For all the bluster about the rebrand, it simply doesn't motivate fan anger to the extent that the Golden Ticket Fiasco did. This is mainly because VT is putting millions of pounds into the club (yes before anyone starts the 'investment' is for now a loan at the much maligned 7% interest rate), but the point is the ‘rebrand’ has had a very positive effect on our club from a playing perspective as we currently lead the Championship and fingers crossed we look like we are finally going to make the transition to the big time Premier League.

That’s why the vast majority of City fans openly wore their red scarfs on Tuesday night.

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

"'I'd rather stay blue but___" is the most bullshit phrase on this whole message board. If fans would have showed some backbone we could have had the investment from VT without bending over and being "redboys".

Exactly, I don't believe Tan would have walked away if we didn't turn red, too much money for him to throw away. Our fans have become lick arses.

"'I'd rather stay blue but___" is the most bullshit phrase on this whole message board. If fans would have showed some backbone we could have had the investment from VT without bending over and being "redboys".

Exactly, I don't believe Tan would have walked away if we didn't turn red, too much money for him to throw away. Our fans have become lick arses.

Or just greatful?

I've always tried to keep an open mind about the rebrand and way up the pros and cons. I'd prefer to stay blue (as would the vast majority of fans) but in fairness, VT saved our club financially at a time when we were in dire trouble, and he has put his money where his mouth is, so was a bit of compromise a small price to pay for our survival?

I went to the game on Tues, walked in as normal and was handed a red scarf, At this stage I admit, I hadn't made a decision on whether to take it or not, so I took it, rolled it up and put it in my pocket. The more scarfs I saw, the more uncomfortable I began to feel. When I climbed the stairs and walked in to the bar and saw a sea of scarves, I felt empty, for the first time, I no longer recognised my club. For the first time I felt the full force of the rebrand. Red and white scarves everywhere! It was like a Wales Rugby international! I was expecting Max Boyce to jump out any minute shouting Oggy Oggy Oggy

So for me, no more a Reluctant Red, Im going back to blue. I totally respect VT for all he has done to save and improve the club, and I respect he wants to do things his way. I also respect long serving fans who "put up with" the rebrand for for the security and success of our future, we all want to see a successful Cardiff City. But surely there's room for compromise? Surely there's a way to embrace both progress and heritage? Surely the new vision of our club doesn't have to mean wiping the slate completely clean of our history and identity?

There must be a better way forward to keep fans both old and new happy? If we can get all major fans groups to work together, then surely we can all do something as a compromise?

I was the same as you, happy to go along with the new era and red colours, but more I see it the less if feels like cardiff city for me, a compromise is really what the fans need, a half blue half red kit would be great I think like fc Basels kit

Be great to cardiff city fc line up in the champions league in this kit in a few seasons
http://www.fcb.ch/TeamsUk/TheTeam/TeamPicture

If we were not Red we wouldn't be anything

We would have gone bust a long time ago

Why we have to keep harping on about it I don't know

LONG LIVE CARDIFF CITY

"'I'd rather stay blue but___" is the most bullshit phrase on this whole message board. If fans would have showed some backbone we could have had the investment from VT without bending over and being "redboys".

Exactly, I don't believe Tan would have walked away if we didn't turn red, too much money for him to throw away. Our fans have become lick arses.

Or just greatful?

I think a lot of fans don't care much about saving our club, they just want to wear red. Sad really considering Cardiff City is blue.

Be great to cardiff city fc line up in the champions league in this kit in a few seasons
http://www.fcb.ch/TeamsUk/TheTeam/TeamPicture

champions league talk now jesus, people seem to forget we get beat twice and the other two win twice we would be 3rd in the league, we aint there yet

Thanks for the positive responses guys. I feel that Tues was a mile stone and could be a massive turning point for lots of fans, it could swing the tide and could be turned into positive action.

As much as I respect many members involved in the KCB campaign, it sadly failed because it drew a line in the sand and said... You're either with us "Blue" or them "Red". Slogans like "I'd rather be blue in Div 2" were not attractive to many supporters either. Many loyal, sensible fans (including myself) weighed up the pros and cons and decided that due to our perilous financial situation, it was madness to bite the hand that feeds us, so "Reluctantly" accepted the red.

For many of us Reluctant Reds (which I believe is probably the largest group on the rebrand issue) Tues showed how far the club has changed, it was completely false and unrecognizable. The vast majority of fans, are not 100% anti blue, not 100% anti red and not 100% anti VT, we just want to see Cardiff City be a successful football club. But! it still has to be CARDIFF CITY!

So, I think there is another way forward, a new way forward, if we all pull together as City fans, every group and every individual. If we put "Compromise - Progress with respect for heritage" on the table as the main issue and get enough people behind it, surely there's a way that everyone can get behind it.

"'I'd rather stay blue but___" is the most bullshit phrase on this whole message board. If fans would have showed some backbone we could have had the investment from VT without bending over and being "redboys".

Exactly, I don't believe Tan would have walked away if we didn't turn red, too much money for him to throw away. Our fans have become lick arses.

Or just greatful?

I think a lot of fans don't care much about saving our club, they just want to wear red. Sad really considering Cardiff City is blue.

Who Don't care.... be careful with your chosen words.....

There are fans like my grandfather and father who attend each week without fail, they simply attend as its CCFC what ever colour you throw at it. It the sad fans who chose not to attend at all due to the re-brand. I do however respect the ones who attend even though there hearts don't agree with it.

To be honest, its not just about the football, its about meeting up with friends new and old, getting away from the stresses of life and being able to switch off for a few hours. I sit with members of my family and without football, id see them a few times a year. Lets not forget that this club is a massive part of the city and its not just a colour.

Why cant we just enjoy whats staring us in the face, get promotion, have a massive party like the old days, and lets see what happens in the summer.

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Could not have written it better myself. I felt disgusted and empty when I walked in and saw all the red.
Still have not recovered. Found it hard to support the team.

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Question, simple enough - If you had no ties to a football club, bought it for a fraction of its true cost, was able to re-brand the club in other continents, easily making a massive profit!! would you do it????

Its a business, you need to truly understand that, the fact that its happened to CCFC makes it harder for you to accept it.

Thanks for the positive responses guys. I feel that Tues was a mile stone and could be a massive turning point for lots of fans, it could swing the tide and could be turned into positive action.

As much as I respect many members involved in the KCB campaign, it sadly failed because it drew a line in the sand and said... You're either with us "Blue" or them "Red". Slogans like "I'd rather be blue in Div 2" were not attractive to many supporters either. Many loyal, sensible fans (including myself) weighed up the pros and cons and decided that due to our perilous financial situation, it was madness to bite the hand that feeds us, so "Reluctantly" accepted the red.

For many of us Reluctant Reds (which I believe is probably the largest group on the rebrand issue) Tues showed how far the club has changed, it was completely false and unrecognizable. The vast majority of fans, are not 100% anti blue, not 100% anti red and not 100% anti VT, we just want to see Cardiff City be a successful football club. But! it still has to be CARDIFF CITY!

So, I think there is another way forward, a new way forward, if we all pull together as City fans, every group and every individual. If we put "Compromise - Progress with respect for heritage" on the table as the main issue and get enough people behind it, surely there's a way that everyone can get behind it.

Defo this is something like you say all the fans should pull together for and make sure VT atleast knows so gives him something to think about, fusion of colours half blue half red, half heritage half future, blue army and bluebirds fire and passion.
Why can't we have both and have this compromise?
Need to get a group going and get some ideas in motion

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Question, simple enough - If you had no ties to a football club, bought it for a fraction of its true cost, was able to re-brand the club in other continents, easily making a massive profit!! would you do it????

Its a business, you need to truly understand that, the fact that its happened to CCFC makes it harder for you to accept it.

Simple question back to you - where is this massive profit from overseas sources coming from then ?

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Question, simple enough - If you had no ties to a football club, bought it for a fraction of its true cost, was able to re-brand the club in other continents, easily making a massive profit!! would you do it????

Its a business, you need to truly understand that, the fact that its happened to CCFC makes it harder for you to accept it.

Easily making a massive profit. Erm, how?

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Question, simple enough - If you had no ties to a football club, bought it for a fraction of its true cost, was able to re-brand the club in other continents, easily making a massive profit!! would you do it????

Its a business, you need to truly understand that, the fact that its happened to CCFC makes it harder for you to accept it.

Simple question back to you - where is this massive profit from overseas sources coming from then ?

Without sounding like I'm being an ass, I'm pretty sure a self made billionaire with the people he has in place and the knowledge of the Malaysian/Asian market he knows what he is doing.

Everyone knows that big parts of Malaysia wont support a team in the championship!! its when we reach the Premier League you will see things chance I'm sure of it, if I'm wrong I'm wrong but you wont sell shirts or market a club playing second tier football.

I don't agree with the re-brand, I agree that it could have been done a different way, yes I agree Tan and all the rest of the board could have consulted the fans to ease the process. Problem is people are hammering Tan, however he is not a majority shareholder, he needs the backing from the remaining board members and shareholders at the club. That's my gripe!! People talk about Alan Whitley, saying what a great job he did at CCFC, I agree but he was also a board member who agreed the changes!! Steve Borley, the fans favorite, but he also agreed these changes. It almost boarders racism that Tan and TG are the one to blame, yet his money has stopped this club going into turmoil, right or wrong on what he has done, without that money, we might not even have a club to support.

People need to understand, whether its right or wrong, whether its red or blue, us fans need to stick together, like Vince has stated this morning, lets get behind the team, lets reach where this club truly needs to be and then we can decide what happens to our club.

Top post pal , I found Tuesday a very sat state of affairs to be honest . It didn't need to be done . We are a Malaysian play thing and being widely laughed at thoroughly the rest of football . Complete change in home colours , disgrace of a badge ( none of which have any good business rational behind them , they are the preference of the owner ) dancing Chinese dragons to celebrate the Chinese New Year . Utter joke , I wonder what we will do to mark st David's day ? . Cardiff have a f*cking huge catchment area in s Wales and for years have been one of the best followed sides in the champ . None of this is needed . I used to be proud to be a city fan as it used to mean something . Jon Owens film before fa cup summed it up . I am afraid that video is now redundant in terms of what this club and its fans stand for . The people adopting the red ( and I exclude kids from this as they are just that , all kids want the latest kit and have no perception of history or tradition ) should start shouting dragons dragons ! Or red army , as if you think the club still represents the bluebirds you are kidding yourself . I wonder what lord Tan has got planned next .

If 'the rest of football wants to laugh at us' then they can carry on, because with CCFC being top of the league surely the joke is on the 'rest of football'?

It's clear from your reply mate that the likes of you and me will never agree on this subject . I would swap mid table obscurity for where we are now . You clearly wouldn't . That is your opinion . In response that that please don't give me red or dead nonsense . No one has been able to give any good reason why the investment on the pitch couldn't have occurred without the rebrand .

Question, simple enough - If you had no ties to a football club, bought it for a fraction of its true cost, was able to re-brand the club in other continents, easily making a massive profit!! would you do it????

Its a business, you need to truly understand that, the fact that its happened to CCFC makes it harder for you to accept it.

Simple question back to you - where is this massive profit from overseas sources coming from then ?

Without sounding like I'm being an ass, I'm pretty sure a self made billionaire with the people he has in place and the knowledge of the Malaysian/Asian market he knows what he is doing.

Everyone knows that big parts of Malaysia wont support a team in the championship!! its when we reach the Premier League you will see things chance I'm sure of it, if I'm wrong I'm wrong but you wont sell shirts or market a club playing second tier football.

I don't agree with the re-brand, I agree that it could have been done a different way, yes I agree Tan and all the rest of the board could have consulted the fans to ease the process. Problem is people are hammering Tan, however he is not a majority shareholder, he needs the backing from the remaining board members and shareholders at the club. That's my gripe!! People talk about Alan Whitley, saying what a great job he did at CCFC, I agree but he was also a board member who agreed the changes!! Steve Borley, the fans favorite, but he also agreed these changes. It almost boarders racism that Tan and TG are the one to blame, yet his money has stopped this club going into turmoil, right or wrong on what he has done, without that money, we might not even have a club to support.

People need to understand, whether its right or wrong, whether its red or blue, us fans need to stick together, like Vince has stated this morning, lets get behind the team, lets reach where this club truly needs to be and then we can decide what happens to our club.

Agree with all of that mate . Agree we still need to back the team , however I am far from convinced about the Asian market argument . The company accounts need to disclose revenue generated from overseas sources so this should be transparent to all in future years . Only time will tell . I however hate what the club has become .

Agree with all of that mate . Agree we still need to back the team , however I am far from convinced about the Asian market argument . The company accounts need to disclose revenue generated from overseas sources so this should be transparent to all in future years . Only time will tell . I however hate what the club has become .[/quote]




I agree, but I still think it wont be until we are consistent in the Premier League that revenue from Malaysia/Asia increases, even when it does it not going to be millions and million as TV revenue and ticket sales are the main revenue streams.

I think its only until your a global brand like Barcelona or Real Madrid that marketing revenue is much bigger.

This probably won't go down well but like it or not in life as well as football you have to embrace change.I've been going down the city since 73 and theres been so much change that theres a tendancy to blame all ills on the rebrand.Even before the rebrand football culture has been forced to change.I bet most of the lads on here miss what a real day at the football was all about.The days are long gone where the result off the field was just as imporant as the result on it.You'll never get a better atmosphere than a standing terrace rammed full of people thats why even if they increase the capacity to 60000 down the CCS it will never feel the same.Add to this a makeover like we've had and its understandable the way people feel right now. Unfortunately outside of the internet forum bubble theres nothing like the resentment on here and I think as time goes on your voice will become smaller.

This probably won't go down well but like it or not in life as well as football you have to embrace change.I've been going down the city since 73 and theres been so much change that theres a tendancy to blame all ills on the rebrand.Even before the rebrand football culture has been forced to change.I bet most of the lads on here miss what a real day at the football was all about.The days are long gone where the result off the field was just as imporant as the result on it.You'll never get a better atmosphere than a standing terrace rammed full of people thats why even if they increase the capacity to 60000 down the CCS it will never feel the same.Add to this a makeover like we've had and its understandable the way people feel right now. Unfortunately outside of the internet forum bubble theres nothing like the resentment on here and I think as time goes on your voice will become smaller.

Couldn't agree more.