PLAID CYMRU WANT TROOPS OUT

Now, not that I agree or disagree with that view, because I don't know enough about the whole situation.

But why do Plaid come out with that statement, let's just say Plaid win every Welssh seat, but it will more realistically be one or two, how could they then go about bringing the British army's troops back, are they goind to insist all the Welsh ones come home, what the f**k are they on about.

I want them out as well, but still wont vote for them.

Now, not that I agree or disagree with that view, because I don't know enough about the whole situation.

But why do Plaid come out with that statement, let's just say Plaid win every Welssh seat, but it will more realistically be one or two, how could they then go about bringing the British army's troops back, are they goind to insist all the Welsh ones come home, what the f**k are they on about.

Every politician will tell you........ either Yes or No....its as straight forward as that.

What would you prefer.....erm actually we dont know?

I'll vote Plaid.

I think that must be the agenda on ALL party policies but the troops wont come home until the job is done with the Taliban and the Afghans can police their own country , yes its very sad when 1 of the lads gets repatriated thru the streets of Wooten Basset but how would the families feel who have lost loved ones for the cause if all of a sudden the troops were pulled out ?

I think that must be the agenda on ALL party policies but the troops wont come home until the job is done with the Taliban and the Afghans can police their own country , yes its very sad when 1 of the lads gets repatriated thru the streets of Wooten Basset but how would the families feel who have lost loved ones for the cause if all of a sudden the troops were pulled out ?

Will the parents feel better if another 250 soldiers die?

They arent going to be beaten.......the Soviets couldn't win......everyone knows it cant be won........besides....... the Taliban policing their own country? Do you realise who they are fighting?

I always question what the job is out there. Is it to kill the terrorest threat known as Al Queda or to protect our interests in the oil fields?

I didnt say the Taliban policing their own country , our troops are working with the Afghan army and police to fight against the Taliban so 1 day the British troops can pull out and allow Afghans control ........... as for lives then Im afraid that is a by product of war unfortunately and I certainly dont want another 1 life lost out there let alone 250 ! As for the Russians they were ill prepared and besides their only way to attack another army and win is to lauch missiles from hundreds and hundreds of miles away

The Russians were ill disciplined and unskilled for this type of war. That was apparent with their lack of operational skills.
We are a different kettle of fish with our higher tech systems and intelligence. There is proof in this with the Afghans having elections and the leader of Al Queda Bin Laden having to go into hidng in another country.

The naivity of some people surprised me when we went into Afghan/Irag that an invasion would solve all the problems overnight. An invasion creates more problems that have to be overcome to reach the end goal. After the Iraq invasion some commentator said it would take 10 years to bring stability to the country. Alot of people thought that was unacceptable, I thought that was being ambitous.

If its a hung parliament then Plaid Cymru and the SNP can do a lot of bargaining with one of the big English parties in return for helping to prop up a minority government.

Indeed Plaid have already said that they will use their bargaining position to win Wales the additional £300 million which they currently should be getting, but are not, from the Barnet Formula.

A vote for Plaid could be very beneficial for Wales during the next election.

UKIP for me sorry ............ and fingers crossed NO Labour and NO Anne Clwyd in the Cynon Valley !

UKIP for me sorry ............ and fingers crossed NO Labour and NO Anne Clwyd in the Cynon Valley !

UKIP? Why not go all the way and vote BNP?

the Brown Nose Party ??

UKIP for me sorry ............ and fingers crossed NO Labour and NO Anne Clwyd in the Cynon Valley !

UKIP? Why not go all the way and vote BNP?

coz I dont support Swansea City FC .............. unlike Sion

I'm an ex soldier and I want the troops to finish the job out there. The terrorist are making a fortune out of the drug trade. Hundreds of thousands of people are killed daily on a global scale as a direct result of the poppy fields that the Taliban are fighting to protect.

But it'll NEVER finish, the only way to end this is to sit down and talk to these hatefull people. Everytime you kill one you are recruiting maybe 6 or more, surely we have learnt lessons from the ANC & PIRA. OK S.Africa is not ideal but Im sure they'd rather have todays situation than appartite and you only have to look at N.Ireland to see how it has flourised under peace. I honestly thing that talking is the only solution.

Has anyone asked the troops what they want? Ithink you will find that the most of them will want to stay and do the the job that they love and signed up for..

Has anyone asked the troops what they want? Ithink you will find that the most of them will want to stay and do the the job that they love and signed up for..

exactly !

When Ross Kemp asked the lads in Helmand province why they were there, they said they didnt know and was just following orders. Id like to see them out of there simply because there are far too many casualties and waste of young lives but as Gwyn said WTF can Plaid do about it, nothing.

You'll most probably find that many hierarchy Politicians are behind the drugs cartel and if we managed to stop the flow from Afghanistan then they'll bring it in from elsewhere and if we manage to drive out Al-Qaeda then they'll just regroup elsewhere, they have cells worldwide even on our backdoor. I dont know what the awnser is but to sit down and find a solution as there is far too many young lads being slaughtered and for what.

This is Plaids only policy, f**k em they are shit.

Has anyone asked the troops what they want? Ithink you will find that the most of them will want to stay and do the the job that they love and signed up for..

exactly !

My lad is a bootneck with two tours under his belt. Your right in that he loves doing the job he's trained
for, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any soldiers who still believe there is going to be a happy
ending over there. Sadly, soldiers and Marines get less and less chances to 'practice the skills' they were
trained for. My mate came back a couple months back, he's a sergeant in the Welsh Guards and he was
gutted with the place. Far from feeling like the professional soldier he is, he came back feeling like every
time he left the FOB his concentration and skills were suffering because he was so busy ensuring he stepped
in the same footprints as the man in front of him and hopefully avoiding an IED.
The Poppy fields have been, and always will be totally ignored by America and us. Something like 60% of the
GDP in Afghanistan comes from heroin, the fragile peace with the warlords would be shattered the minute we
start torching poppy fields, farmers would starve, government officials would suffer, as their kickbacks would
dry up. So apart from the odd well advertised 'drug bust'.. our lads have to accept that the poppy fields are
staying where they are, and the Taliban can happily keep using the fields as cover.
Democracy?? dont make me laugh, the present incumbent Kharzai fixed the election, everybody knew he fixed
the election, but Britain and America just pretended the television coverage of cheating, threatening, lying
fraud etc etc etc never happened.. they just shook his hand and ignored the fact that the election was a sham.
The Afghan Army and Police work hand in hand with the Taliban, selling them body armour, informing them of
upcoming operations and paying them off for turning a blind eye when they pick up young boys in villages and
rape them. The Taliban/Afghan government/Police/Army and the warlords and village elders are intertwined
they are all just fleas on the same dog.

If we leave now, no more British Soldiers will be killed, If we stay for another 10 years, thousands more will die.
But stay, leave or whatever, Afghanistan wont really change. Terrorists are training in the mountains of the
country as we speak. Nobody is stopping them, they own the mountains. So there's no real difference between
Al Q'aida training in Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia... except America decided
Afghanistan was a strategic target and could become vital as a place to run oil pipelines through. They no longer
see it as viable, neither does Britain. All they are waiting for now is an opportunity to get the f**k out without
losing too much face. They couldnt give a flying f**k about dead soldiers.

Sorry for the rant

100% behind our Welsh Party...........VOTE PLAID!!

DONT

I'm an ex soldier and I want the troops to finish the job out there. The terrorist are making a fortune out of the drug trade. Hundreds of thousands of people are killed daily on a global scale as a direct result of the poppy fields that the Taliban are fighting to protect.

Problem is,we are not allowed to burn the poppy fields any more as it takes away families only means of income.We did originally,not any more.

Has anyone asked the troops what they want? Ithink you will find that the most of them will want to stay and do the the job that they love and signed up for..

exactly !

My lad is a bootneck with two tours under his belt. Your right in that he loves doing the job he's trained
for, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any soldiers who still believe there is going to be a happy
ending over there. Sadly, soldiers and Marines get less and less chances to 'practice the skills' they were
trained for. My mate came back a couple months back, he's a sergeant in the Welsh Guards and he was
gutted with the place. Far from feeling like the professional soldier he is, he came back feeling like every
time he left the FOB his concentration and skills were suffering because he was so busy ensuring he stepped
in the same footprints as the man in front of him and hopefully avoiding an IED.
The Poppy fields have been, and always will be totally ignored by America and us. Something like 60% of the
GDP in Afghanistan comes from heroin, the fragile peace with the warlords would be shattered the minute we
start torching poppy fields, farmers would starve, government officials would suffer, as their kickbacks would
dry up. So apart from the odd well advertised 'drug bust'.. our lads have to accept that the poppy fields are
staying where they are, and the Taliban can happily keep using the fields as cover.
Democracy?? dont make me laugh, the present incumbent Kharzai fixed the election, everybody knew he fixed
the election, but Britain and America just pretended the television coverage of cheating, threatening, lying
fraud etc etc etc never happened.. they just shook his hand and ignored the fact that the election was a sham.
The Afghan Army and Police work hand in hand with the Taliban, selling them body armour, informing them of
upcoming operations and paying them off for turning a blind eye when they pick up young boys in villages and
rape them. The Taliban/Afghan government/Police/Army and the warlords and village elders are intertwined
they are all just fleas on the same dog.

If we leave now, no more British Soldiers will be killed, If we stay for another 10 years, thousands more will die.
But stay, leave or whatever, Afghanistan wont really change. Terrorists are training in the mountains of the
country as we speak. Nobody is stopping them, they own the mountains. So there's no real difference between
Al Q'aida training in Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia... except America decided
Afghanistan was a strategic target and could become vital as a place to run oil pipelines through. They no longer
see it as viable, neither does Britain. All they are waiting for now is an opportunity to get the f**k out without
losing too much face. They couldnt give a flying f**k about dead soldiers.

Sorry for the rant

Don`t forget Khazi`s brother runs a lot of the poppy fields

Has anyone asked the troops what they want? Ithink you will find that the most of them will want to stay and do the the job that they love and signed up for..

exactly !

My lad is a bootneck with two tours under his belt. Your right in that he loves doing the job he's trained
for, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any soldiers who still believe there is going to be a happy
ending over there. Sadly, soldiers and Marines get less and less chances to 'practice the skills' they were
trained for. My mate came back a couple months back, he's a sergeant in the Welsh Guards and he was
gutted with the place. Far from feeling like the professional soldier he is, he came back feeling like every
time he left the FOB his concentration and skills were suffering because he was so busy ensuring he stepped
in the same footprints as the man in front of him and hopefully avoiding an IED.
The Poppy fields have been, and always will be totally ignored by America and us. Something like 60% of the
GDP in Afghanistan comes from heroin, the fragile peace with the warlords would be shattered the minute we
start torching poppy fields, farmers would starve, government officials would suffer, as their kickbacks would
dry up. So apart from the odd well advertised 'drug bust'.. our lads have to accept that the poppy fields are
staying where they are, and the Taliban can happily keep using the fields as cover.
Democracy?? dont make me laugh, the present incumbent Kharzai fixed the election, everybody knew he fixed
the election, but Britain and America just pretended the television coverage of cheating, threatening, lying
fraud etc etc etc never happened.. they just shook his hand and ignored the fact that the election was a sham.
The Afghan Army and Police work hand in hand with the Taliban, selling them body armour, informing them of
upcoming operations and paying them off for turning a blind eye when they pick up young boys in villages and
rape them. The Taliban/Afghan government/Police/Army and the warlords and village elders are intertwined
they are all just fleas on the same dog.

If we leave now, no more British Soldiers will be killed, If we stay for another 10 years, thousands more will die.
But stay, leave or whatever, Afghanistan wont really change. Terrorists are training in the mountains of the
country as we speak. Nobody is stopping them, they own the mountains. So there's no real difference between
Al Q'aida training in Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia... except America decided
Afghanistan was a strategic target and could become vital as a place to run oil pipelines through. They no longer
see it as viable, neither does Britain. All they are waiting for now is an opportunity to get the f**k out without
losing too much face. They couldnt give a flying f**k about dead soldiers.

Sorry for the rant

Dont be sorry mate, very good and meaningful post. I hope your son gets home soon safely.

Ta mate. He is home at the moment. His next step is selection for the ones in the canoes.
Like I say he loves his job, they all do but they get less and less opportunities to take the
Taliban head on, the Taliban aint that daft.

Ta mate. He is home at the moment. His next step is selection for the ones in the canoes.
Like I say he loves his job, they all do but they get less and less opportunities to take the
Taliban head on, the Taliban aint that daft.

I find it all quite sinister that nobody will sit down and talk, its a war which cant be won and its the young lads and their families that suffer in the end.

Plaid can f**k right off.

If British Troops come out of Afghanistan it will not make the situation at home re terrorism easier for us and will in fact potentially have the opposite effect as will show we have no stomach for the fight. I hazard a guess that some of the Terrorists currently in Afghanistan fighting coalition troops who are British nationals would come back here and be potential suicide bombers or conduct terrorism on these shores.

Now, not that I agree or disagree with that view, because I don't know enough about the whole situation.

But why do Plaid come out with that statement, let's just say Plaid win every Welssh seat, but it will more realistically be one or two, how could they then go about bringing the British army's troops back, are they goind to insist all the Welsh ones come home, what the f**k are they on about.

VOTE PLAID CYMRU IF YOU WANT