"NATIONAL SERVICE"

THe conservatives want to bring it back for 16 year olds, WHAT DO YOU THINK ?

I reckon it would be an Excellent idea and All Immigrants should have to as well.

i think national service is supported mainly by those who never had to go through it.

My grandfathers rarely talk about their times in the RAF. They hated it.

i think national service is supported mainly by those who never had to go through it.

My grandfathers rarely talk about their times in the RAF. They hated it.

I agree, glad I never but, If I had had to I would off, then maybe I would not have been a naughty boy on the terraces

It's a good idea but not if it means armed forces only. The idea for kids that age learning about social responsibility can only be a good thing.

I think it would be an excellent thing, it would develope dicipline, respect & a good working attitude & team spirit in youngsters.
I also think they should bring in chain gangs for criminals, cleaning the streets & doing jobs for oap's.

I'm an ex serving soldier and can honestly say that done correctly it can work, but its no good forcing people to do it who have genuine plans for their futures. I was on an exchange once with the spanish military and they are still conscripted and the majority of the ones who disagreed with it were brought out of college or work ( which they enjoyed) and were forced to soldier. I reckon that if all the wasters who have not got plans or are happy drawing dole were to go there then it would be 2 years well spent and im sure that many of them would be well suited to army life.
I'm not an authority and not totally 100% certain it would work but i reckon it couldn't do any harm if done correctly.

I'm an ex serving soldier and can honestly say that done correctly it can work, but its no good forcing people to do it who have genuine plans for their futures. I was on an exchange once with the spanish military and they are still conscripted and the majority of the ones who disagreed with it were brought out of college or work ( which they enjoyed) and were forced to soldier. I reckon that if all the wasters who have not got plans or are happy drawing dole were to go there then it would be 2 years well spent and im sure that many of them would be well suited to army life.
I'm not an authority and not totally 100% certain it would work but i reckon it couldn't do any harm if done correctly.

I totaly agree.

great idea send them all there may teach them some respect

I'm an ex serving soldier and can honestly say that done correctly it can work, but its no good forcing people to do it who have genuine plans for their futures. I was on an exchange once with the spanish military and they are still conscripted and the majority of the ones who disagreed with it were brought out of college or work ( which they enjoyed) and were forced to soldier. I reckon that if all the wasters who have not got plans or are happy drawing dole were to go there then it would be 2 years well spent and im sure that many of them would be well suited to army life.
I'm not an authority and not totally 100% certain it would work but i reckon it couldn't do any harm if done correctly.

I'm the same as you Jez joined up at 17 years of age and it did me no harm at all.

Annis

As a serving Army Warrant Officer the concept is sound and the benefits would be many. However the practicalities of this are not workable. Firstly where can we house them - the Army currently does not have the accommodation to house all of its own soldiers let alone some 200,000 new recruits - 50% of our accomm is in shit state Prisoner live better. Currenlty I have 150 of my Senior Non Commisioned Officers living in Ipswich some 20 miles from camp because there is no accomm. Instructors, we are barely covering our own recruits let alone find them to teach and discipline these new soldiers. Finances it would bankrupt the government to pay, house, clothe, transport, train and equip these people. We all know the track record the government have in eqippping our soldiers and it aint good.

This is the drawback, however if the conservatives are going to pay fit and god knows where it will come from then fine. I used to think the same thing but the practicalities is huge let alone the "human rights" bollocks and the powers of discipline. Our legal system would go into melt down.

Regards

Ceri

Annis

As a serving Army Warrant Officer the concept is sound and the benefits would be many. However the practicalities of this are not workable. Firstly where can we house them - the Army currently does not have the accommodation to house all of its own soldiers let alone some 200,000 new recruits - 50% of our accomm is in shit state Prisoner live better. Currenlty I have 150 of my Senior Non Commisioned Officers living in Ipswich some 20 miles from camp because there is no accomm. Instructors, we are barely covering our own recruits let alone find them to teach and discipline these new soldiers. Finances it would bankrupt the government to pay, house, clothe, transport, train and equip these people. We all know the track record the government have in eqippping our soldiers and it aint good.

This is the drawback, however if the conservatives are going to pay fit and god knows where it will come from then fine. I used to think the same thing but the practicalities is huge let alone the "human rights" bollocks and the powers of discipline. Our legal system would go into melt down.

Regards

Ceri

Fair ponts Ceri, but I don't think it needs to be exclusively Armed Forces, could we not also offer ational Service to the police force, fire service and other public services - possibly a National Apprenticeship in the public sector. It may even SAVE us money if unemploed teenagers were trained as bin-men, posties etc.. rather than sat on their asses - as older people retired instead of paying to recruit replacements fill them with youngsters working to earn their benefits - (plus a bonus if the perform). If we filled jobs with the youth then the Eastern Europeans would stop coming over, as they are only taking the opportunities which our youth can't be arsed to take.

Too many young lives going to waste.

ITS NOT NATIONAL SERVICE
its a 3 month summer camp that is vouluntary, its not military in the slightest teaches kids how to be gentlemen. its a load of bollox

Annis

As a serving Army Warrant Officer the concept is sound and the benefits would be many. However the practicalities of this are not workable. Firstly where can we house them - the Army currently does not have the accommodation to house all of its own soldiers let alone some 200,000 new recruits - 50% of our accomm is in shit state Prisoner live better. Currenlty I have 150 of my Senior Non Commisioned Officers living in Ipswich some 20 miles from camp because there is no accomm. Instructors, we are barely covering our own recruits let alone find them to teach and discipline these new soldiers. Finances it would bankrupt the government to pay, house, clothe, transport, train and equip these people. We all know the track record the government have in eqippping our soldiers and it aint good.

This is the drawback, however if the conservatives are going to pay fit and god knows where it will come from then fine. I used to think the same thing but the practicalities is huge let alone the "human rights" bollocks and the powers of discipline. Our legal system would go into melt down.

Regards

Ceri

Hi Ceri, I can see it wouldnt work at the moment reading your reply and totally understand. I would like to see it happen though and maybe it they could plan for it over the next 5 years ?

I dont agree with it, if my children want to join the forces then I would support them but no one will force my children into something they do not want to do.

What is needed is that parents take control of the home situation and lead by example with strong principles and morals, too many children are left to go off to school in the mornings by themselves, sort breakfast for themselves and come home to empty houses at the end of the day.

A lot of this countrys problems started to become worse when women pursued careers and lost focus on the ability to run a home. Children need the family enviroment to be strong and loving not packed off to after school clubs and babysitters cause Mum is working late.

I am all for women working and also women having careers if Dad is at home or grandparents are helping but thousands of households have children out in the evenings and have no idea what their children are doing and quite frankly dont care.

I dont agree with it, if my children want to join the forces then I would support them but no one will force my children into something they do not want to do.

What is needed is that parents take control of the home situation and lead by example with strong principles and morals, too many children are left to go off to school in the mornings by themselves, sort breakfast for themselves and come home to empty houses at the end of the day.

A lot of this countrys problems started to become worse when women pursued careers and lost focus on the ability to run a home. Children need the family enviroment to be strong and loving not packed off to after school clubs and babysitters cause Mum is working late.

I am all for women working and also women having careers if Dad is at home or grandparents are helping but thousands of households have children out in the evenings and have no idea what their children are doing and quite frankly dont care.

Carl, But children in the last 40 years have lost all Respect to Society and especially to their elders.

I dont agree with it, if my children want to join the forces then I would support them but no one will force my children into something they do not want to do.

What is needed is that parents take control of the home situation and lead by example with strong principles and morals, too many children are left to go off to school in the mornings by themselves, sort breakfast for themselves and come home to empty houses at the end of the day.

A lot of this countrys problems started to become worse when women pursued careers and lost focus on the ability to run a home. Children need the family enviroment to be strong and loving not packed off to after school clubs and babysitters cause Mum is working late.

I am all for women working and also women having careers if Dad is at home or grandparents are helping but thousands of households have children out in the evenings and have no idea what their children are doing and quite frankly dont care.

Carl, But children in the last 40 years have lost all Respect to Society and especially to their elders.

Yes Annis they have but they are not being taught properly at home, children need love and nurturing not being put in national service for a few years so parents can do their own thing.

Personaly iv been saying that for years,it certainly wont do them any harm,im all for that.

Personaly iv been saying that for years,it certainly wont do them any harm,im all for that.

Thats exactly how I feel.

I dont agree with it, if my children want to join the forces then I would support them but no one will force my children into something they do not want to do.

What is needed is that parents take control of the home situation and lead by example with strong principles and morals, too many children are left to go off to school in the mornings by themselves, sort breakfast for themselves and come home to empty houses at the end of the day.

A lot of this countrys problems started to become worse when women pursued careers and lost focus on the ability to run a home. Children need the family enviroment to be strong and loving not packed off to after school clubs and babysitters cause Mum is working late.

I am all for women working and also women having careers if Dad is at home or grandparents are helping but thousands of households have children out in the evenings and have no idea what their children are doing and quite frankly dont care.

AS A PARENT - i am with the same view as Carl - i bring my boys up with respect, to have manners, to treat the elders with respect , to listen when being spoken to - they have morals - and i do hope for the best for them through high school college uni - what ever they choose - not be made by the government BECAUSE this screwed up country has made it too easy for children/youths/imigrants - to do what they like how they like when they like and have no come uppances!

AS EMPLOYMENT - i can see the neglect a lot of YOUNG children have and the neglect at home for the basics in life - these YOUNG children are left to run the streets at night - and their lives are sadly already mapped out for them! AND yes i do think this could be a positive thing for these children to have something structured with rules they have to follow.
BUT again this reverts back to their home lives and neglect to begin with which should be addressed.

Vicious Circle.

Singapore - you as a parent are responsible for your child's actions and WILL be punished - good example!

Annis you say approx 40 years ago things began to change - Just around Enoch Powell's time (he is brought up again!)

Annis when i was young and i did things i was scared what my dad would do to me i respected my parents and a slap never hurt me that's what we need back.

I dont agree with it, if my children want to join the forces then I would support them but no one will force my children into something they do not want to do.

What is needed is that parents take control of the home situation and lead by example with strong principles and morals, too many children are left to go off to school in the mornings by themselves, sort breakfast for themselves and come home to empty houses at the end of the day.

A lot of this countrys problems started to become worse when women pursued careers and lost focus on the ability to run a home. Children need the family enviroment to be strong and loving not packed off to after school clubs and babysitters cause Mum is working late.

I am all for women working and also women having careers if Dad is at home or grandparents are helping but thousands of households have children out in the evenings and have no idea what their children are doing and quite frankly dont care.

AS A PARENT - i am with the same view as Carl - i bring my boys up with respect, to have manners, to treat the elders with respect , to listen when being spoken to - they have morals - and i do hope for the best for them through high school college uni - what ever they choose - not be made by the government BECAUSE this screwed up country has made it too easy for children/youths/imigrants - to do what they like how they like when they like and have no come uppances!

AS EMPLOYMENT - i can see the neglect a lot of YOUNG children have and the neglect at home for the basics in life - these YOUNG children are left to run the streets at night - and their lives are sadly already mapped out for them! AND yes i do think this could be a positive thing for these children to have something structured with rules they have to follow.
BUT again this reverts back to their home lives and neglect to begin with which should be addressed.

Vicious Circle.

Singapore - you as a parent are responsible for your child's actions and WILL be punished - good example!

Annis you say approx 40 years ago things began to change - Just around Enoch Powell's time (he is brought up again!)

Jez when I seen you had replied in this thread I thought I was going to be shot down for my views on women working, do you agree with this too ?

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Carl the basic of it is YES i had thought of typing a long schpeeel but im tired lol x

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Baz dont the baby thing - done
the cleaning and hoovering - done before derby
the dishes - done

the irnoning - i do not own and iron or board due to health and safety implications with my height!!! so i fold well (and thats the truth!)

i think i am doing a good job with my boy and CCFC and the balance of bad language lmao if you heard the rhyming word for every city song -

YOU JACK PLASTER!
That boys Chris Burke makes routledge look Kite
2-0 down - who gives a pup were cardiff city and were going up!
they go on and on and on

I just am grateful at being qwik thinking with rhymming words! lol

100 per cent behind that idea. We need to sort some of the youngsters out in this country. And this would teach them discipline and respect!! If this is true it may have just swung my vote!!

Where do I sign up?

I'm an ex serving soldier and can honestly say that done correctly it can work, but its no good forcing people to do it who have genuine plans for their futures. I was on an exchange once with the spanish military and they are still conscripted and the majority of the ones who disagreed with it were brought out of college or work ( which they enjoyed) and were forced to soldier. I reckon that if all the wasters who have not got plans or are happy drawing dole were to go there then it would be 2 years well spent and im sure that many of them would be well suited to army life.
I'm not an authority and not totally 100% certain it would work but i reckon it couldn't do any harm if done correctly.

If brought back it should be used for people who are regulary in trouble with the law(no ASBO shit), on the dole not attempting to find a job and like America did with the Irish during the civil war when immigrants who step foot into the country should do it to gain citizenship if they want themselves and their families to stay usually 1/2 of them run away from their war torn countries. A white South African me and my mates we were speaking to a while back told us that he was prepared to 3 years in the army to get citizenship and he alreardy served in the South African army the nutter