Question for Those Who Think Sam's Return is a Good Idea

I think it's fair to say that almost all (if not all) of those who would like to see Sam Hammam return to Cardiff City despise Peter Ridsdale.

The irony is that in 2005, Sam's answer to the many problems he was encountering at CCFC at the time was ....... to employ Peter Ridsdale!

We can't blame anyone else for Ridsdale's arrival at the club. That was very much Sam's work.

Under the circumstances, do you honestly reckon his return would be a good idea?

I'm talking about Sam, not Peter.

yes but under a more controlled way, maybe on the board or similar

With the Malaysians, yes.

On his own, no.

With the Malaysians, yes.

On his own, no.

yes i agree

I think it's fair to say that almost all (if not all) of those who would like to see Sam Hammam return to Cardiff City despise Peter Ridsdale.

The irony is that in 2005, Sam's answer to the many problems he was encountering at CCFC at the time was ....... to employ Peter Ridsdale!

We can't blame anyone else for Ridsdale's arrival at the club. That was very much Sam's work.

Under the circumstances, do you honestly reckon his return would be a good idea?

I'm talking about Sam, not Peter.

Yes, I DO and Sam explains in tomorrows Echo why Peter came in.
Also TLG dont you have a STATUE OF SAM IN YOUR HOME LIKE I DO

SAM WITH TG GREAT IDEA

Who do you blame for Ridsdale becoming CEO and Chairman, TLG?

Your thread would intimate you'd blame Hammam for that...

On topic, Hammam backin place of Jenkins, Malaysians managing the finances.

With the Malaysians - No as I don't see what difference he could make.

I thought Sam brought Ridsdale in to oversee the stadium project and nothing else ?

Also TLG dont you have a STATUE OF SAM IN YOUR HOME LIKE I DO

I hold Sam in high regard despite the mess he ended up making of things here. You know that. But I don't think him returning to the club would be good for anyone - not for the club, not for the fans and not for the man himself.

Far too much water has gone under the bridge and too many people believed too much bullshit around the time of his departure. He wouldn't be welcomed back here by the majority of fans, that's for sure. If it hadn't been for the Lnagston court case, then perhaps. But that finished it for a lot of people.

Also TLG dont you have a STATUE OF SAM IN YOUR HOME LIKE I DO

I hold Sam in high regard despite the mess he ended up making of things here. You know that. But I don't think him returning to the club would be good for anyone - not for the club, not for the fans and not for the man himself.

Far too much water has gone under the bridge and too many people believed too much bullshit around the time of his departure. He wouldn't be welcomed back here by the majority of fans, that's for sure. If it hadn't been for the Lnagston court case, then perhaps. But that finished it for a lot of people.

Dave,YOUVE NEVER HEARD Sams side of the story.

With the Malaysians - No as I don't see what difference he could make.

Apart from experience of running a football club, dealing with agents etc.
We haven't got ANYONE in the club who can do that at the moment.

Who do you blame for Ridsdale becoming CEO and Chairman, TLG?

Your thread would intimate you'd blame Hammam for that...

On topic, Hammam backin place of Jenkins, Malaysians managing the finances.

1) Sam. With very good reason.

2) Sam isn't CEO material. Far from it. He's always employed other people to run his club on a day-to-day basis. Here, it was Temme followed by Ridsdale.

3) A finance director has been employed to manage the finances. And we had one of those during Sam's time, too.

Would like to hear what Sam's story is first. But he has shown from a distance that he still cares about our club where apart from Borley there is no one. Knee jerk reaction ? maybe but having those eggers steering the ship at the mo is wrong. Especially as they hate football its worrying to say the least.

Sam can be director of madness and all things football , plus maybe we can have the " old " unrestricted Ali back on the tannoy ?

Sam can be director of madness and all things football , plus maybe we can have the " old " unrestricted Ali back on the tannoy ?

The Ali part I Would enjoy!!!!

Dave,YOUVE NEVER HEARD Sams side of the story.

I've spoken to Sam on numerous occasions since he stepped down as Chairman. You know that. In fact, the last time I spoke to him was during the middle of last week. And he's told me all sorts of things over the years.

Nevertheless, I don't believe his return here would do any of us any good - least of all the man himself. By the time he left here last time around, he wasn't a well man. He looked greatly improved when I last saw him though. While I have no doubt he misses being involved here, life away from CCFC seems to suit him.

So the scenario is Sam returns at the helm, with the Malaysians controlling finances ? Thereby ousting the current egg mob and non financially comitted board members. Sam and Langstones are then happyish about the debts their owed, getting more shares etc, with the Malaysians putting in more cash as we go along ?

Hate politics love the club, I am on the right lines with this theory or not ?

JBBJ

Definately a good idea.period

So the scenario is Sam returns at the helm, with the Malaysians controlling finances ? Thereby ousting the current egg mob and non financially comitted board members. Sam and Langstones are then happyish about the debts their owed, getting more shares etc, with the Malaysians putting in more cash as we go along ?

Hate politics love the club, I am on the right lines with this theory or not ?

JBBJ

that would seem the way forward

Who do you blame for Ridsdale becoming CEO and Chairman, TLG?

Your thread would intimate you'd blame Hammam for that...

On topic, Hammam backin place of Jenkins, Malaysians managing the finances.

1) Sam. With very good reason.

2) Sam isn't CEO material. Far from it. He's always employed other people to run his club on a day-to-day basis. Here, it was Temme followed by Ridsdale.

3) A finance director has been employed to manage the finances. And we had one of those during Sam's time, too.

1) Indirectly, sure. You could argue that point,but it stretches credibility to imply Hammam brought Ridsdalein as a consultant to deliberately replaced him as chairman later on.

2) In a traditional business, no. Football wise, however, CEO could well be a title offered by the Malaysians. Interesting you seem to indicate Hammam was handsoff in his approach...

3) And in Hammam's time, he had access to the cheque book. Give Hammam a football brief, ensure he's fully segregated from the finances, ie negotiate contracts,Malaysians handle the finances, reduces the problems.

Dave,YOUVE NEVER HEARD Sams side of the story.

I've spoken to Sam on numerous occasions since he stepped down as Chairman. You know that. In fact, the last time I spoke to him was during the middle of last week. And he's told me all sorts of things over the years.

Nevertheless, I don't believe his return here would do any of us any good - least of all the man himself. By the time he left here last time around, he wasn't a well man. He looked greatly improved when I last saw him though. While I have no doubt he misses being involved here, life away from CCFC seems to suit him.

HE IS LIKE A NEW MAN, I PROMISE YOU

Dave,YOUVE NEVER HEARD Sams side of the story.[/quote]


Isnt it about time then Annis to hear Sams side to the story.? At least then us fans can make our own mind up.
I know for sure we as fans just want somebody that loves the club to steer it. Because we don't have that now, perhaps that is why many of us are now thinking in a limited capacity we could bring a fallen idol back to the club.
But first Sam must speak publicly to all the fans if there is to be a realistic chance of this happening .

With the Malaysians - No as I don't see what difference he could make.

Apart from experience of running a football club, dealing with agents etc.
We haven't got ANYONE in the club who can do that at the moment.

How do we know no one has this experience? Jenkins must of dealt with rugby agents, he knows how to run a sporting club although on a smaller scale.

The guy has only been there for 5 weeks, give him a chance to sort things out.

1) Indirectly, sure. You could argue that point,but it stretches credibility to imply Hammam brought Ridsdalein as a consultant to deliberately replaced him as chairman later on.

2) In a traditional business, no. Football wise, however, CEO could well be a title offered by the Malaysians. Interesting you seem to indicate Hammam was handsoff in his approach...

3) And in Hammam's time, he had access to the cheque book. Give Hammam a football brief, ensure he's fully segregated from the finances, ie negotiate contracts,Malaysians handle the finances, reduces the problems.

1) Directly, for sure. Bear in mind I was one of those who was spending a great deal of time with Sam during the period when he stepped down. At the time, he maintained that he had insisted on Ridsdale being made Chairman as a condition of the deal that saw him resign. He rated Ridsdale very highly at that stage, I can assure you.

2) He was hands-on in his approach in many respects, but the nitty gritty day-to-day was left to other people. He used to tell me what an incredible workaholic Ridsdale was - first into work, last out, etc. To a large degree he was running the club during Sam's final year here, and before him Temme did a lot of wrok in his role as CEO. Sam used to describe himself as an ideas man. The impression I got was that he used to leave others to put those ideas into to practice once he'd dreamed them up.

3) I'm not sure what role people have in mind for Sam if he returned, but CEO would not be a good idea.

With the Malaysians - No as I don't see what difference he could make.

Apart from experience of running a football club, dealing with agents etc.
We haven't got ANYONE in the club who can do that at the moment.

How do we know no one has this experience? Jenkins must of dealt with rugby agents, he knows how to run a sporting club although on a smaller scale.

The guy has only been there for 5 weeks, give him a chance to sort things out.

That's brilliant, that post made my night.

1) Indirectly, sure. You could argue that point,but it stretches credibility to imply Hammam brought Ridsdalein as a consultant to deliberately replaced him as chairman later on.

2) In a traditional business, no. Football wise, however, CEO could well be a title offered by the Malaysians. Interesting you seem to indicate Hammam was handsoff in his approach...

3) And in Hammam's time, he had access to the cheque book. Give Hammam a football brief, ensure he's fully segregated from the finances, ie negotiate contracts,Malaysians handle the finances, reduces the problems.

1) Directly, for sure. Bear in mind I was one of those who was spending a great deal of time with Sam during the period when he stepped down. At the time, he maintained that he had insisted on Ridsdale being made Chairman as a condition of the deal that saw him resign. He rated Ridsdale very highly at that stage, I can assure you.

Obviously Ridsdale was a con man with his eye on more than just chairman , he duped Sam into thinking how good he could be which worked . Everybody from Leeds and Barnsley warned us about him , but somehow he managed to spin Sam I reckon ?
2) He was hands-on in his approach in many respects, but the nitty gritty day-to-day was left to other people. He used to tell me what an incredible workaholic Ridsdale was - first into work, last out, etc. To a large degree he was running the club during Sam's final year here, and before him Temme did a lot of wrok in his role as CEO. Sam used to describe himself as an ideas man. The impression I got was that he used to leave others to put those ideas into to practice once he'd dreamed them up.

3) I'm not sure what role people have in mind for Sam if he returned, but CEO would not be a good idea.

My opinion is I always liked Sam as a person (Even tho I only met him about 3 times) and his off the cuff way but not sure on his management ability. He got the club in a lot of debt but in saying that I have always been glad he came to city when he did.

I do think the club lack someone with football contacts at the club now that PR has left and Sam sure does have
Him taking control of contracts would worry me tho I still have nightmares about Thorne getting 10k per goal .

All in all I dont want him back but if it means the club can continue to trade at a decent level then I can see some positives if he can be kept under control.

Quite funny reading all this now though as im half way through reading Annis book "shattered dreams to Wembley way".

My opinion is I always liked Sam as a person (Even tho I only met him about 3 times) and his off the cuff way but not sure on his management ability. He got the club in a lot of debt but in saying that I have always been glad he came to city when he did.

I do think the club lack someone with football contacts at the club now that PR has left and Sam sure does have
Him taking control of contracts would worry me tho I still have nightmares about Thorne getting 10k per goal .

All in all I dont want him back but if it means the club can continue to trade at a decent level then I can see some positives if he can be kept under control.

Quite funny reading all this now though as im half way through reading Annis book "shattered dreams to Wembley way".

Yes Sam made mistakes with players agents, so did Ridsdale. Love them or hate them these are two of the most experienced people in the footballing world, yet even they got caught the odd once or twice by the snake pit that are players agents.
Imagine what these snakes are going to do to Gethin Jenkins. God help us.

He's bided his time, played the political game, kept the club on a tight leash (the Langstones debacle was and still is a disgrace!!!), and had his stooges spin the emotive propaganda time after time. I'd like to believe he has no interest in a return and is simply being misinformed by other self interested parties. However, the monies involved, present boardroom environment and runaway egos make a return seem plausible. His return may happen but don't expect the majority of fans to be happy about it, as far as I'm concerned he's never stopped pointing that gun to our clubs head. I will never trust that man again and I know I'm not alone.
Chwarae teg, it's never boring is it?

On a lighter note, well done AAMB today!!!

It doesn't really matter what we all think about Sam returning because it seems it is going to happen whether we like it or not. I suspect it has more to do with finances than anything else. Sam, oops Langstone hold some good cards i.e the loan notes. Turn them into shares and bobs your uncle. My main concern is whether he has anything to do with the finances at the club, because he admits himself he's not the best fella to deal with finances. However in reality will he be able to stop himself. The other thing is his volatile character - would he really get on with TG? they seem like chalk and cheese. It will be interesting times anyway Never a dull moment at Cardiff City