The Trust

What has changed and what has been mis managed?

We still have got no money, still owe people money and the new owners are still trying to sort it out piece by piece.

Why do the trust need to make a statement or ask questions if nothing has really changed?

But has anything changed? We owe money to different football clubs for transfers last season - not a suprise. We are in the process of cost cutting and balancing of the books which asking the players defer bonus payments is an example. The need to balance the books has already been talked about by TG and the club. Chopra mouthing of, should the club address that, the trust or should DJ? DJ has said that Chopra was stupid for making his comments in the way he did.

The only thing that has really changed is that the above stories and others are reported on either fourms or in the press.
Like the mirror story saying Tg and VT want to sell up, should the club respond to that and similar stories? If they did that then there would be a statement nearly everyday saying the position has not changed and that there is full commitment to address the financial situation at the club.

Yes the trust represent the supporters thats why they met with Gethin Jenkins recently and he echoed the statements on the official site and by TG of everybody being commited to improve things at the club. Should the trust issue a statement everytime a story like one in the mirror I mentioned is printed? Again they would be making statements on a daily basis.

I think the reality is that there will be more stories of financial woe from the previous regime and that it will take the new board a long time to address them all and it will be piece by piece. And as supporters I think we need to understand that.

Without wishing to get embroiled in a pro or anti trust arguement I dont understand why some supporters seem to want to be critical of the trust and others who only have the best interests of our club at heart.

In these days when the fans of some clubs are pretty meaningless from a financial point of view and when football has become money obsessed big business it is refreshing to see people prepared to give up their time for little or no reward in fact to be attacked for voicing different opinions. This is a democracy and everybody associated with our club I would suggest wants the best for it. So why be critical of any supporters or elements that are trying to ensure with the little influence we have that our voices are heard.

trust, well ...... what do they do? nothing, just ring the club now and again and ask "can we talk and have a meeting" to a NO , "ok thanks"

waste of time

The more people who join the Trust then the more money they get which as a non profit organisation is purely for running cost AND hopefully be able to purchase more shares of CCFC ! Football is big money business and we all know how many shares each couple of grand gets u these days and it aint much , so what say do the minor shareholders have ? Trust is the only way EVER to have a say into CCFC matters correctly in that respect .

trust, well ...... what do they do? nothing, just ring the club now and again and ask "can we talk and have a meeting" to a NO , "ok thanks"

waste of time

and your idea would be lets have another march and shout a lot. And if people want to do that then fine I have no problem cos they believe that is positive for the club and as I said the bottom line is we all love our club and want what is best for it but to say the trust do nothing is unfair, untrue and worst of all disrespectful to those who give up their time and energy into running and organising the trust.

You cant bring the march up again now because that was a fans protest at the way CCFC was being run at the time under Ridsdale and how we were lied to and conned into forking up season ticket money in December when all along they knew it was a scam ? I agree that the Trust can only do things accordingly and through the correct channels and were correct at the time NOT to support the march . But theres a saying " you pays your money and your takes your choice " .............. which basically means those that are not in the Trust have no right commenting on what the Trust do or do not do !

TBH we (& I include myself in that) have misunderstood the Trust and its aims for far too long. The Trust will never be in a position to influence the club or put pressure on the higher management to change the way it does business.

The Trust owns a very small shareholding and has no more than 800 members so it wields little clout if it were to wave a big stick.

However, the Trust is very good at organising things like the Fred Keenor Statue appeal, holding its diversity days, spreading the word at Grangetown Carnival etc.

At this point in its evolution that is where they should be and therefore should be left alone to get on with it.

I think they have learnt their lessons from becoming too involved with the politics that surrounds our football club and are keeping out of it and I can't blame them.

In any case if the fans of CCFC need mobilising it has already been proven through this site that it can be done competently and effectively without the Trust getting involved.

Therefore Trust bashing isn't going to accomplish anything and we just appricate them for what they are.

Did you miss this?

http://www.itv.com/wales/cardiff-city-in-turmoil14157/

Not a lot more they can say IMO

.............. which basically means those that are not in the Trust have no right commenting on what the Trust do or do not do !

Nor do the Trust have the right to to act as a lobbying group for anything more than the small number of fans they represent.

Indeed, you've only got to look at posts on ccmb to see in terms of getting off their arse, it's the same old people time after time.

So the small number of members has a high percentage of apathetic members.

.............. which basically means those that are not in the Trust have no right commenting on what the Trust do or do not do !

Nor do the Trust have the right to to act as a lobbying group for anything more than the small number of fans they represent.

Indeed, you've only got to look at posts on ccmb to see in terms of getting off their arse, it's the same old people time after time.

So the small number of members has a high percentage of apathetic members.

The Trust acts and speaks for its membership and I am very happy with that. I am not aware of any similar (democratic and members-controlled) group of supporters at CCFC that is so large or well-organised. Considering that it is still relatively young, I think that it has made outstanding progress.

Its not as if a Trust statement is going to solve anything is it

Its not as if a Trust statement is going to solve anything is it

I think that it does a little more than issue statements and some of its work would appear to benefit fans who are not members. Are you a member?

I think that it does a little more than issue statements and some of its work would appear to benefit fans who are not members. Are you a member?

Yes I am a member and will renew.

Im not saying its all they do im saying them releasing a statement now would have no effect.

I think that it does a little more than issue statements and some of its work would appear to benefit fans who are not members. Are you a member?

Yes I am a member and will renew.

Im not saying its all they do im saying them releasing a statement now would have no effect.

Apologies. Misunderstood you.

no problemo

Did you miss this?

http://www.itv.com/wales/cardiff-city-in-turmoil14157/

Not a lot more they can say IMO

In all honesty I think it was a very good interview and Mike came over well and all but acknowledged that the Trust is restricted in its influence until it gets more members.

To me it makes perfect sense to continue in that vain and build up the Trust membership by offering friendly and honest opinion.

I think that it does a little more than issue statements and some of its work would appear to benefit fans who are not members. Are you a member?

Yes I am a member and will renew.

Im not saying its all they do im saying them releasing a statement now would have no effect.

Apologies. Misunderstood you.

Ah the rath of message boards, the lost in translation syndrome