City v Man U 74

Check this out.....starts off in Rotterdam when spurs & feyenord....Then stranglely goes to the bob babnk/Grange wedge ..brill footage only on for over a minuite though..


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I done my ankle in at that game, thanks to platforms lol....... I went to the away game as well and we had to change or hide our colours.

I was in the Canton; Stuart Pearson went on a Run-I SAID TO MY MATE -PENALTY-HE LOOKED AT ME AS IF I WAS Daft.
Don MURRAY TRACKED HIM BACK AND SURE ENOUGH BROUGHT IN DOWN IN THE PENALTY BOX.

I done my ankle in at that game, thanks to platforms lol....... I went to the away game as well and we had to change or hide our colours.

always dissapointed me that richard we had next to nobody at the away game.
were you up in the stand in the corner by the scoreboard end.
the walk back to the three coaches was one of the scariest times of my life at a football match.
to top it all the coach broke down on the way back and we were stuck in ledbury for hours on end

I done my ankle in at that game, thanks to platforms lol....... I went to the away game as well and we had to change or hide our colours.

always dissapointed me that richard we had next to nobody at the away game.
were you up in the stand in the corner by the scoreboard end.
the walk back to the three coaches was one of the scariest times of my life at a football match.
to top it all the coach broke down on the way back and we were stuck in ledbury for hours on end

thought the person who wrote a story in Annis's book said there were thousands of City fans at Old Trafford for the game ?

That reminded me how dangerous it was in the Bob Bank, especially the corner area. It made an IRA demonstration look like a tea party.

[q"]["steve davies"]["RichardBluebird"]I done my ankle in at that game, thanks to platforms lol....... I went to the away game as well and we had to change or hide our colours.[/quote]


always dissapointed me that richard we had next to nobody at the away game.
were you up in the stand in the corner by the scoreboard end.
the walk back to the three coaches was one of the scariest times of my life at a football match.
to top it all the coach broke down on the way back and we were stuck in ledbury for hours on end

thought the person who wrote a story in Annis's book said there were thousands of City fans at Old Trafford for the game ?[/quote]



i was on one of three coaches martyn with gazzy from barry(british rail worker at the time) and those buses were surrounded by united fans baying for our blood.
fact of the matter is martyn united had all the scoreboard end and the couple of hundred of us where up in the stand.

That reminded me how dangerous it was in the Bob Bank, especially the corner area. It made an IRA demonstration look like a tea party.

that was the 1st game ever at Ninian with fences up , Man U had all the Bob Bank ! My old man wouldnt let me go to that game coz I was too young , Everton was the 2nd and last time ever that away fans were allowed on the Bank .

That reminded me how dangerous it was in the Bob Bank, especially the corner area. It made an IRA demonstration look like a tea party.

that was the 1st game ever at Ninian with fences up , Man U had all the Bob Bank ! My old man wouldnt let me go to that game coz I was too young , Everton was the 2nd and last time ever that away fans were allowed on the Bank .

I always stood behind the goals in the Grange End. I use to get to the game about 15 minutes before KO and the area was usually clear. For this game I remember queing to get in and it was a rush to my spot. I recall all those Man U fans standing on the corner of the Bob Bank. I sometimes wonder how a world war never broke out.

Forget the 80s, the 70s was without doubt the most dangerous time to go to football. They were lawless places back then

I tried doing a lonk and failed, but I remember reading this years ago and it still makes me smile

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This is a post from another forum from a Man Utd fan entitled 'The Legend'.

Very long but worth reading. I thought it might interest especially the older fans like fredthered.


I remember arriving from Paddington (see we had plenty of ****ney followers in those crap Div.2 days.) I was just a schoolboy and although I'd been to plenty of games at Old Trafford with my old fella I'd only been to a few tame aways at the time.

The Cardiff game was unlike anything I think I have ever seen before or
since. We expected an 'interesting' day to say the least but nothing
prepared 2 spotty kids for an afternoon of absolute mayhem, the likes of which, (I'm sure anyone who was there will heartily agree) has never been seen since, with perhaps the exception of Luton v Millwall or other such ground-breaking occasions.

United fans were largely untouchable in those days, sheer weight of numbers plus a ferocious bravado that wouldn't allow them to back down from any resistance, even the southern counterparts - Chelsea, West Ham and to some extent Millwall were still lagging behind in both exploits and organisation.

So it was with that air of self confidence we alighted the station.
"Manchester la la la" rang out all around as we sauntered and swaggered our way towards Ninian Park, our Summer Holiday homework problems left aside as we strutted our stuff with the big boys, the exhiliration of being surrounded by 100 or so ' grown men' of 18!

There we spotted a group of about 100 lads. A cheer went up, these were
more of our own we assumed. To this day I'll never forget the scene. A
handful of our 'comrades' from across the road ambled over, a reuniting
embrace was no doubt to follow as these old friends joined the throng.
Suddenly I noticed the crazed grin on the face of the approaching stranger and even with my limited knowledge of Football away trips, I had a feeling. all was not well.

Our mate with the mental mug simply smashed his fist into the face of one of our lads. "Bloody hell, they're Cardiff *******s" came the cry. The lone assailant then began wading in to at least ten of the United group, bodies were going down all around. His 99 or so mates did very little to assist this lone kamikaze mission - either they were terrified of the situation or maybe knew his capabilities. Maybe this was Frank the Legend from the newspaper stories on this board - perhaps Bluebirds on here will enlighten me.

Finally, the two groups snapped out of their frozen apathy and charged into each other with a manic relish. Now when people say 200 fans were fighting 'toe-to-toe' they usually mean half a dozen at most, with the rest milling about looking stupid, but this was as it sounded, with scenes reminiscent of a gargantuan scale WWF tag match.

My friend and I stood there dumbstruck. It was over 25 years ago and I would love to have been able to recall how I joined in the scene of carnage, downing all-comers, but as a young boy I was horror-stricken and frozen with terror. I remember one Policeman ambling by and peering round the corner to see what all the noise was. He took one look at the scene and carried on walking.Classic!

By this time most of our group had been split into small factions and the walk to the ground was quite simply a journey into some apocyliptic
nightmare. It was as if my mate and I had just emerged from the Tardis into some post-nuclear wasteland.Yet there was no Jon Pertwee to close those bloody Police-Box doors and I guess most of the Coppers would have been in there hiding if he could have!

On every street corner the sight were the same, people scurrying around in all directions, I saw one outlandish figure - a United fan in a white boiler-suit and black bowler hat giving out instructions looking like an extra from A Clockwork Orange. All around were cries of "here they are" "don't run" "I've got one". A whirl of confusion, a tidal wave of thundering red Doctor Marten boots and tartan scarves.

We arrived outside the ground and met up again with some faces from the
train. Some looked dazed and confused, others bloodied but belligerent. "See this", said one half-caste Londoner with a bloody nose. "The next Taff I see, I'm going to give him three of these." We all laughed loudly at the ridiculous statement, though from some of the characters I had seen at the Station encounter, a guy with three noses was highly likely.

With about an hour to go before kick-off we decided to opt for some
sustainance to re-fuel our adrenalin loss. A pink, undercooked 'Spamburger' did the trick for 30p. We started queing at the rather oddly named 'Bob-Bank' whatever that was. Suddenly a group of Reds walked past us, full of contempt that we were planning to go into our own end. "Not in here you ****holes, it's all down "The Grange". Intimidated by their ridicule we followed our heroes and paid in at the "Grange".

As we prepared to pay our (70p was it) I noticed some of the lads around us were tying their scarves around their waists out of sight. I now realised that occupying the home end was more of a military operation than a consumer choice.

We gathered "inconspicuosly" at a point close to the fence which had a huge no-man's land separating the rival fans. Insults were traded for half an hour, a few blood curdling screams of bravado followed by a couple of half-hearted charges by either side at the fence. A fat Cardiff fan with a scarf round his wrist, and tomato sauce stains around his chin, shouted something indistinguishable and launced a wooden stake, like a mini telegraph pole into the baying United mob.

A few cheers rang out as it hit an unseen target. Instantly a piece of
concrete was hurled into the Cardiff boys to my right and I could see a
small group of people huddled round a fallen comrade. The reality that
someone really could die here today (possibly even me) hit home, and I
wondered how my parent's would react if they knew that I wasn't actually on the 'day trip to Barry Island' that I was supposed to be on with my mate's 'caring Dad'.

As if it wasn't bad enough, things were about to take a turn for the worse. A small group of Bluebirds began to take an unhealthy interest in the dozen or so lads to their left (us). One hideous freak with a severely scarred face wandered over. "Not singing boys? We all sing in here, you're all a bit quiet today. You are all 'Care-diff ' I hope". My heart sank. Rumbled, and we knew they weren't going to go away now their suspicions were aroused.

The scout ambled back to the main group to report his findings. After a
brief chin-wag amongst themselves, three or four more came over for an
'interview'. The "Head of Personnel" was none other than the fearsome
one-man war machine we had seen in action near the station. I wanted to cry and explain that I had a note from my Mum that said on no account was I to have my head kicked in as I had a cold.

I guess that a rat, when cornered, will strike out and I found that I was surrounded by a few heavy-duty rodents. "You want a song do you?" piped up a ginger-haired Northerner. "Yooooh-niiiiii-ted" he bellowed in a slow ponderous scream like Hitler adressing the Nuremberg Rally.

That was the signal for all out attack. The dozen or so infiltrators charged upwards at the massed ranks of blue-scarved savages in a suicidal attack. Fists flew and a sea parted between the fans as the visitors gained some amazing ground. I cowered behind a mouth-foaming long-haired Red with the most enormous baggy trousers I have ever seen, confidant that they wouldn't see me behind the expanse of bottle green material. The very trousers that must have inspired Suggs' Madness hit some years later.

Suddenly the 'Red Sea' in front of me became just a pond, as the Cardiff boys realised the small numbers involved in the kamikaze charge. Then it dried up like a Midsummer's day in the Serengetti as the United boys were now charging back down the same stairs that they had scaled so heroically a few moments earlier.

I just wanted the concrete to open up and swallow me, yet most of the
concrete in Ninian Park was of the airborne variety. It was now clear that we were in serious trouble and we seized the chance to make for a gap in the faltering fencing, weakened by numerous charges. We raced towards the safety of our fellow fans, who, to our horror, on seeing the onrushing mob charged into us, and a number of fists flew before our identity was established.

We were then welcomed like a band of soldiers returning from a daring
mission behind enemy lines, which I guess it had been. I was by now feeling almost traumatised, as huge lumps of brick, concrete and wood were flying over from both sides, the Police were desparately trying to contain the two fearsome mobs who charged continually at the horror-stricken thin blue line and at several points it looked as though the fence would give way.

As a veteran of away trips at home and abroad throughout the 70's, 80's and to a lesser extent the 21st Century, I can honestly say I couldn't imagine the carnage that would have taken place had that wilting police line given way on that day.

Mercifully it held, and despite sickening chants of "Munich" and
occasionally even "Aberfan" and about enough flying ballast to build a
high-rise block, the body count was surprisingly low. People were being
carried out from both side on stretchers, many with horrifying head wounds, struggling yobs were being plucked from both ranks by those Policemen plucky enough to try. Others were met with a volley of missiles and feet.

Every so often a small group of United fans would emerge in the home section and the same scenario would be played out - a suicidal charge followed by submersion beneath a frenzy of kicks, stamps and punches.




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stinking cesspit of that passed for the "Gentleman's Toilets". Still numb with the day's events and relieved to know I definitely wasn't dead, I rested against a small wall. A small group of boys made their way past,having just come through the turnstiles. Latecomers, they've missed all the action, I thought. Suddenly I recognised one of the faces. Missed the action? They were the action!

That same horrible mush, that messed-up mug. It was our old friend the Welsh war-machine. He was now amongst us! Totally un-noticed he made his way to the top of the stairs. I wanted to scream, to yell pantomime style "he's behind you!" but to no avail.

Without even a glance to ensure his six mates were in tow, he just proceeded to steam into all and sundry, a whirling, devastating thrreshing machine that took about a dozen boys to surpress. Even then he seemed to be unscathed, just made his point and then made a sensible but dignified retreat. To this day I wonder who he was and just what kind of legend he was around Grangetown or the like.

The match was played out in a kind of surreal haze, and on the final
whistle, both sides burst from the terraces into the street where ingenious Police plans ensured the two armies took separate routes home and were kept apart for all of two minutes.

Just as before, during the game, it had seemed that I had an awful knack of arriving just as major disorder was breaking out, so it was to be the pattern on the journey back to the station.

Sporadic bottles and missiles flew but no major incidents occurred until the station was in sight. Suddenly this was to be the major convergence of both main mobs, and hundreds of Cardiff and Manchester boys tore into each other. There was none of this puffy bouncing about of the modern 'offs' as they became known. No pushing the bloke in front of you into action in order to hide behind him. Just a demented, almost surreal, spontaneous orgy of physical butchery, where everybody seemed to know their role.

I have to say that I have rarely seen violent disorder on that scale in any walk of life since and I when I finally reached the safety of the
London-bound train I mused to myself as to whether any mentally stable
people did actually attend Football matches in 1974. It then occurred to me that amidst all the carnage, I didn't even know who won - the game had become completely immaterial. 1-0 to United, someone advised us - it seemed that most of those at the Station didn't know either as it transpired.

Manchester United fans continued their status as a fearsome football gang, but whereas so few modern 'hoolie' books ever actually tell the truth where opponent's successes are concerned, they had certainly met their match that day.

The sheer frenzied hatred of the Cardiff City fans as they came head to head with England's largest hooligan gang on that day was something to tell my grandchildren (if I ever have any) about.

In subsequent years the two clubs fortunes varied drastically, Cardiff were destined for a lifetime in the lower leagues, United eventually found domestic and European glory, but they were both top of the league on that August day.

The clubs' fans have had a varied history since. Cardiff evolved (maybe from that encounter) into one of the most notorious hooligan gangs, a stigma or accolade (depending on your viewpoint) that they hold to this day. United meanwhile have sadly been all but swallowed up by Corporate greed, their fans so often, and highly unfairly pilloried as prawn-munching replica shirt wearers from Singapore, (thanks to the incessant and somewhat successful Page Ranking campaign over the last 10 years chiefly from Manchester City's propoganda machine) yet even in those glory-less years, their nationwide support was unrivalled, highlighted on that day by a train full of 500 beer-swilling psychopaths heading back to Paddington.

So when newcomers to the game think that out-of-town Reds are a modern
phenomenon created by success, I would laugh in their faces and know at an instant that they themsleves are actually the very new-wave fans that they profess to despise. Whereas any clued-up match-going rivals who have been around longer than just the day after "Three Lions" made the charts will know the score.


Post Euro 96 nouveau fans brought up on a diet of Fantasy Football, 606
phone-ins, Helen Chamberlain, Baddiel and Skinner wouldn't recognise the Manchester United of 1974, yet if one wanders around Salford, or the City Centre on matchday, especially when the likes of Leeds, Liverpool or Chelsea are due then anyone expecting to glimpse the stereotypical image of a United fan would be highly mistaken. Similarly United away games are beginning to see a return to the 'active' followings of yesteryear, unrecognisable from the image portrayed by the type of United fan we all know, the office gimp who has 15 replica shirts but has never been to Old Trafford.

Cardiff fans continue to wreak havoc around the country, and unlike United have never had an alternative image to have to shake off. Cardiff still know how to offer visiting fans that unique "welcome in the hillside" but I doubt that anything would ever come close to that day in 1974. I doubt if anything could!

Awful days, etched on my mind with a kind of fondness usually only reserved for cold school showers, or a kiss from an ugly Aunt - yet strangely wonderful times, at the time it was an experience to chill the bones, yet I wouldn't have missed it for the world.

When I finally returned home, unscathed, well at least physically, my Mum asked me if I had had a nice time in Wales. (Imagining her little boy splashing around in the sea or acting the buffoon in the sand.) I said it had been 'an interesting day'. "Did you bring back any rock?" she asked. I thought back to the flying concrete at Ninian Park a few hours earlier. "No, sorry" I replied, "There's was plenty around but nothing I liked the look of." "Never mind" said Mum, "as long as you've enjoyed yourself" she said. I had been chased, spat at, terrified, traumatised, seen men knocked unconscious and kicked senseless - yet she was right... I had!

From that day on, like many Cardiff fans too, I'm sure, I was hooked, and followed United all over from that day on for over a quarter of a century. It's a funny kind of logic, but in a way, although I reviled those 70's days of lawlessness and abject violence and terror, and although it's best that they are consigned to history, I can't tell you how very glad I was that I was there. With fond memories to both Reds and Bluebirds.

Brilliant article..!!!

I done my ankle in at that game, thanks to platforms lol....... I went to the away game as well and we had to change or hide our colours.

always dissapointed me that richard we had next to nobody at the away game.
were you up in the stand in the corner by the scoreboard end.
the walk back to the three coaches was one of the scariest times of my life at a football match.
to top it all the coach broke down on the way back and we were stuck in ledbury for hours on end

Yes mate, we were near the players tunnel just 3 of us. Myself and 2 lads from Pentrebane, outside we seen Johnny Reynolds(sideburns) and he told us to f**k off in a Lancashire accent It got a bit naughty where we were as the sheep skin blokes sussed us out, alas we got home safe and sound. One of the strangest trips Ive ever made when the cops come on the bus and tell us to hide or change our colours or else.

Brilliant article..!!!

Those of us who were that day will never forget it.

Brilliant article..!!!

Fantastic read

Brilliant article..!!!

Those of us who were that day will never forget it.

Yes i was at the both games (i watched the old trafford game from the strettford end) i remember the game at np going into the old/original ninnian pub before the game, frankie and all the old gang were there, it was like a scene out of an old pirates den, some of the lads in there that day still give me shivers thinking about them, but when the word was given to "drink up, we,re going" it was a easy walk to the stadium, the united fans that seen the "pirates" just legged it, i wounder why???

Brilliant article..!!!

Those of us who were that day will never forget it.

Yes i was at the both games (i watched the old trafford game from the strettford end) i remember the game at np going into the old/original ninnian pub before the game, frankie and all the old gang were there, it was like a scene out of an old pirates den, some of the lads in there that day still give me shivers thinking about them, but when the word was given to "drink up, we,re going" it was a easy walk to the stadium, the united fans that seen the "pirates" just legged it, i wounder why???

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AND SLEEPLESS IN CANTON

top class.brilliant read.