A bit of Respect

Annis`s recent post to TNT mentions respect for Peter Risdale. Absolutely i am definately in the oppinon that Peter since being asked by Sam Hamam to sort out the mess we were in at the time has done a brilliant job. We have a new stadium and training facilities, a much envied youth academy/coaching set up, we are currently 4th in the league, probably the best manager outside the premier league and a decent squad of players that Dave Jones has assembled on a shoestring budget. Yes Dave Jones tactics are questionable at times but lets be honest there isn`t a manager in the world who`s tactics are`nt questioned. Be happy what we have achieved and look to hopefully a positive future. If the investment come`s off (personally i don`t think it will) great, if it does`nt well we have too explore alternatives. Lets stop slagging Dave Jones, Peter Risdale and our squad of players off and get behind them. Just keep reminding yourselves where we were several years ago. Last year i attended a FAW B licence coaching course at Llanelli college, i was lucky enough to be on the course with Riccy Scimeca, Kevin Cooper, Tony Calpaldi, Sean (The physio) and Steve Mcphail. Their import to the course was immense especially Steve Mcphail who`s knowledge of the game is second to none. Unfortunately we have lost the services of three of those mentioned and Steve is going through a rough patch at present, my message to everyone is we have certain players,coaches and management in place who DO care about our club after all it pays their wages. Hopefully Steve when ending his playing days can become a youth coach or part of the management. Lets just get behind all of them and see what the future brings.

I'd love to see Steve Mcphail come back.

I was gutted when he got ill, not only for him and his family but he was playing brilliantly and I'd love to see him stick it down the throats of those who slagged him off previously.

We could have done w th him in the last 2 months.

Could not agree more, he is a quality player who unfortunately was on the recieving end of abuse from a large majority of fans.

Annis`s recent post to TNT mentions respect for Peter Risdale. Absolutely i am definately in the oppinon that Peter since being asked by Sam Hamam to sort out the mess we were in at the time has done a brilliant job. We have a new stadium and training facilities, a much envied youth academy/coaching set up, we are currently 4th in the league, probably the best manager outside the premier league and a decent squad of players that Dave Jones has assembled on a shoestring budget. Yes Dave Jones tactics are questionable at times but lets be honest there isn`t a manager in the world who`s tactics are`nt questioned. Be happy what we have achieved and look to hopefully a positive future. If the investment come`s off (personally i don`t think it will) great, if it does`nt well we have too explore alternatives. Lets stop slagging Dave Jones, Peter Risdale and our squad of players off and get behind them. Just keep reminding yourselves where we were several years ago. Last year i attended a FAW B licence coaching course at Llanelli college, i was lucky enough to be on the course with Riccy Scimeca, Kevin Cooper, Tony Calpaldi, Sean (The physio) and Steve Mcphail. Their import to the course was immense especially Steve Mcphail who`s knowledge of the game is second to none. Unfortunately we have lost the services of three of those mentioned and Steve is going through a rough patch at present, my message to everyone is we have certain players,coaches and management in place who DO care about our club after all it pays their wages. Hopefully Steve when ending his playing days can become a youth coach or part of the management. Lets just get behind all of them and see what the future brings.

As I have said before I Respect PR, as he has always been honourable to me,a gentleman and a man of his word to me.
He has got passion for football.

But that doesnt mean I agree with everything he does at Our Club.

As I have said before I Respect PR, as he has always been honourable to me,a gentleman and a man of his word to me.
He has got passion for football.

But that doesnt mean I agree with everything he does at Our Club.[/quote]


I think the poignant message in the initial post in this thread is we get behind what we have at the moment. If we don't, we become as bad as anything that wants to see us fail.

A good show by the team on Saturday will go a long way. However, they NEED our support, not boo boys.

As I have said before I Respect PR, as he has always been honourable to me,a gentleman and a man of his word to me.
He has got passion for football.

But that doesnt mean I agree with everything he does at Our Club.

I think the poignant message in the initial post in this thread is we get behind what we have at the moment. If we don't, we become as bad as anything that wants to see us fail.

A good show by the team on Saturday will go a long way. However, they NEED our support, not boo boys.

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I agree UNCLE FESTER, LETS SUPPORT THE BOYS AND MAKE SOME NOISE

As I have said before I Respect PR, as he has always been honourable to me,a gentleman and a man of his word to me.
He has got passion for football.

But that doesnt mean I agree with everything he does at Our Club.

I think the poignant message in the initial post in this thread is we get behind what we have at the moment. If we don't, we become as bad as anything that wants to see us fail.

A good show by the team on Saturday will go a long way. However, they NEED our support, not boo boys.

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Wise words.

Richey, of course you are entited to your view, indeed it is a view I held until the last 6-12 months. However, there are several anomalies in your statement as to why Peter has done such a good job.

1. We were in business when Peter came to the club, nothing has changed apart from the stadium which rightly or wrongly could have been provided by anyone other than Sam. Credit where its due, but I wold be a lot more prepared to give him this praise were he has prepared to accept responsibility for countless mistakes such as;

i. Agreeing a verbal termination of a written contract for JFH that resulted in having to pay him 2 years salary for 1 season, costing the club approx £1.5m, money that we didn't and don't have.

ii. Authorising the signings of Messrs Sinclair, Fowler & JFH on huge wages (approx £2-2.5m a year in total) despite injury concerns & no sell on value, something that contributed heavily to a wage bill of over £13m for the season on turnover of around £10m.

iii. Consistently operating with a wage bill equal or above our entire turnover during his reign.

iv. Giving the manager such a good contract that sacking him should the need arise be inaffordable. For the record, I do not believe Jones should be sacked, he has been brilliant for the club, though I have severe doubts given his actions since the tail end of last season. However, taking away the option of sacking the manager if required is not sound management. If tha sounds too harsh, tha's the industry and Jones knows it.

v. There are countless other instances that could be dug up, but would probably end up going inot next week. The underground heating was another source of embarrassment, as are his continuous lies and the contempt he treats the fans with, exemplified mst recently by his season ticket deal to "repay the fans." Then it was "to invest in the team." Really Peter? So its not to pay bills then? Not to stop us goin into administration becasue you've run the club so badly? His lies on the Malaysian investment are also evident, firstly stating unequvocally that they "had already invested millions" into the club. They hadn't and haven't. Then it was to be "imminent, within a week or so." That was almost a month ago. Then it was "February at best." Do you believe anything he says? The Mlaysians are rumoured to be on the verge of pulling out due to his lies and deceit, with Peter using this as a position to maximise profit on his shares (45p has been mentioned as a figure) whilst demanding a job for 3 years too. God help us if he does.

2. The club is more attractive to invest in, primarily because of the stadium which I have already covered. The finances of the club are in a perilous state due to continuous financial mismanagement, something that started with Sam and has continued under Ridsdale, though despite this, Peter has always picked up his huge salaries and plentiful bonuses without fail, even though they are well beyond the going rate and certainly beyond what we can afford. He has also ensured that he has highly paid friends on the board who set each others salaries, hardly the most transparent business practice.

3. Indeed we are near the play offs, I look forward to Peter's next hat-trick, goal line clearance or tactical genius that continues to provide this for us. Also worth pointing out that we have never actually managed to finish in the play offs.

4. Yes, we have a new stadium, I have answered that previously.

5. The training facilities are a huge step forward, this is somewhat encorporated in my stadium response. It's not in doubt that Peter has done some good for the club, but his propaganda, lies, deceit and financial mismanagement are something we smply cannot afford to indulge any longer.

6. The Youth Academy was setup by Sam Hammam, not Ridsdale. All Ridsdale has done is sell our products for vastly less than what we should have. Ramsey is testament to that more than any other.

7. The shoestring budget is a myth. Yes he has had to sell players, but most teams in this division do. West Brom got promoted having lost players of the ilk of Curtis Davies, Diamansy Kamara, Zoltan Gera & Jason Koumas to name but a few, yet they got promoted the following season. Jones has consistently had a wage budget of £10m-£13.5m per annum, at least one of the top 8 budgets in the league. Hardly a shoe string.

Last edited by saladthedragon on Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Annis`s recent post to TNT mentions respect for Peter Risdale. Absolutely i am definately in the oppinon that Peter since being asked by Sam Hamam to sort out the mess we were in at the time has done a brilliant job. We have a new stadium and training facilities, a much envied youth academy/coaching set up, we are currently 4th in the league, probably the best manager outside the premier league and a decent squad of players that Dave Jones has assembled on a shoestring budget. Yes Dave Jones tactics are questionable at times but lets be honest there isn`t a manager in the world who`s tactics are`nt questioned. Be happy what we have achieved and look to hopefully a positive future. If the investment come`s off (personally i don`t think it will) great, if it does`nt well we have too explore alternatives. Lets stop slagging Dave Jones, Peter Risdale and our squad of players off and get behind them. Just keep reminding yourselves where we were several years ago. Last year i attended a FAW B licence coaching course at Llanelli college, i was lucky enough to be on the course with Riccy Scimeca, Kevin Cooper, Tony Calpaldi, Sean (The physio) and Steve Mcphail. Their import to the course was immense especially Steve Mcphail who`s knowledge of the game is second to none. Unfortunately we have lost the services of three of those mentioned and Steve is going through a rough patch at present, my message to everyone is we have certain players,coaches and management in place who DO care about our club after all it pays their wages. Hopefully Steve when ending his playing days can become a youth coach or part of the management. Lets just get behind all of them and see what the future brings.

I don't think he's done a brilliant job. Although im grateful for what he has achieved at CCFC I'm not in favour of him raping us of our cash along the way.... especially in times of financial hardship, They shouldn't be allowed to have such massive bonusses until our finances, debts & creditors have been organised properly. And the deceit and lies will always remain in the minds of our fans.

Westbrom were promoted with the use of a parachute payment of £30m Like Newcastle this year in all probability. I respect your views but for me you seem to know the ins and outs of CCFC more so than a normal run of the mill football fan. Can you explain how please you have all this detailed information. Regards Richyevs

I was of the understanding that parachute payments were around £12m, though I'm open to correction on that. Richey, I don't want this to become personal, I accept we have differing points of view, all I have done is try to correct untruths in your statement which I feel I have done. It doesn't mean you have to change your view, which I'm sure you won't! As for where I pick it up, the same as we all do, through various sources and varous media opportunities. I'm not in the iner circle if that's you drift! I'm quite happy for anyone who is to scrutinise my statements and correct me if wrong.

saladthedragon,taking into account that if what your saying is true and that PR is trying to negotiate a high share rate and a job for three years with the new owners. If as seems likely that the REAL owners of the club (ie guy/hall) want out now that the retail part is completed would they not have some input into the negotiations and not want to overplay there hand IF they thought that a deal was near and/or danger of being called off.
not sure if that makes sense to you or not but i would be interested to know your viewpoint.

Not sure in truth Beano, all I can say is that I'm astonished PMG have stood by and allowed the club to be ran as badly as it is.