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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:28 am

Emiliano Sala's family could miss out on £600,000 due to Cardiff City contract 'mistake' - reports


By Dominic Booth


Thursday 21st February 2019


The family of Emiliano Sala could missing out on up to £600,000 in compensation due to an error in the registration of his Cardiff City contract with the Premier League, according to reports.

Paperwork was returned to the Bluebirds asking for corrections, to be signed again by the Argentinian striker, according to The Times & Daily Telegraph.

Before the 28-year-old club record £15m signing was able to do so, he died after the plane he was flying in crashed into the English Channel.

Chairman Mehmet Dalman has been quoted in the Sunday Telegraph as saying: "We believe that the player was not registered with the Premier League."

The Times report says the error could be significant for Sala's family. They say as players automatically become part of the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme as soon as they are registered with the Premier League, it provides a £600,000 death-in-service payment to their families.

However, the PFA is reported to be set to push for the pension fund "to honour the payment as Sala had signed a contract with Cardiff on January 18".

The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

John Bramhall, the PFA deputy chief executive, told The Times: "It will be for the trustees to see whether they are able to make the payment from there. Normally it would be a simple process but we will be speaking with them on this. Usually, as soon as a contract is registered with the Premier League the player is enrolled on the pension scheme."

Argentinian striker Sala died after the plane he was flying in crashed into the English Channel on January 21. His funeral took place in Argentina at the weekend.

His family and friends gathered in his hometown of Progreso for a day-long wake to pay tribute to him, which you can see pictures of in the gallery below


Nantes have demanded the first £5m down payment of the £15m record fee the Bluebirds agreed for the capture of the Argentine striker.

But Cardiff have frozen any payments whilst they conduct their own investigation into the matter.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:38 am

If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."
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Postby jimmy_rat » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:43 am

Forever Blue wrote:If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."


I agree. And I do think VT would do as much. 600k is peanuts to him. The rest is business.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:47 am

jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."


I agree. And I do think VT would do as much. 600k is peanuts to him. The rest is business.



Thats all I believe Cardiff City should pay and for me we will have done our duty and been more than fair, we have to as its the right and moral thing to do :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:
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Postby castleblue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:18 am

The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


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Postby epping blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:20 am

jimmy_rat wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."


I agree. And I do think VT would do as much. 600k is peanuts to him. The rest is business.





I think it would have to be a very significant error on the form or this not to be honoured . Of course insurers of this death benefit could claim on the technicality but Death in service benefit for footballers probably doesn't pay out that often and they wont want to lose the business it brings them.

Insurers of a single ( that's a guess ) operator aircraft business will have a completely different outlook. Likely to be little or no ongoing business. If they can walk away from the claim on any minor technical basis they will. It appears they'll have that at least. The agent would have had a duty of care to ensure the operator was correctly experienced, licenced and insured and indeed be insured themselves to make these arrangements. Inadvertently thats where Nantes come in. If this flight wasn't separately contracted then the reimbursement could be seen as part of the contract of sale. That could of course be complicated by our own dealings with them to provide flights for us.

My biggest fear is that there will be no effective insurance cover for this flight and these adhock arrangements for carrying very expensive commodities around has been going on at terrible financial risk. Of course the financial loss is neglible when compared to the human loss but I bet there's a considerably more scrutiny going on today than there was a month ago.

I wonder how many household names are out there at the moment thinking, That could of been me.
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Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:30 am

Warnock said he wasnt registered as our player so where does this leave us ?
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Postby Nuclearblue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:34 am

Forever Blue wrote:If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."

Agree 100% her Chief
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:36 am

wez1927 wrote:Warnock said he wasnt registered as our player so where does this leave us ?


Wez,


Warnock has also said this week and three previous occasions: "Emiliano Sala is my player and is a Cardiff City player."


If there is a fault and Sala is not registered as our player, which is what I believe and City have known for nearly 4 weeks, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes, But YES pay Emiliano Sala's family £600,000 if the insurance I hear is totally invalid, I feel we are obliged to, out of Respect and saying publicly for 4 weeks Sala was our player. :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:37 am

Nuclearblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:If the contract was not done correctly by Cardiff City and was returned on the Tuesday morning(I am hearing) the day it was announced Emiliano went missing, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes as they would not pay us £15mill if the roles were reversed and !00% NO money for any agents at all.

But I due think Emiliano's Family should be compensated by Cardiff City as for nearly a month Cardiff let our fans/the world believe and grief that Emiliano was a Cardiff player and broke everyones hearts even though we knew we would one day announce Emiliano was not officially our player.

Even a few days ago Neil Warnock repeated:

"Emiliano Sala for me was my player and was a Cardiff City player."

Agree 100% her Chief



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Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:44 am

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Warnock said he wasnt registered as our player so where does this leave us ?


Wez,


Warnock has also said this week and three previous occasions: "Emiliano Sala is my player and is a Cardiff City player."


If there is a fault and Sala is not registered as our player, which is what I believe and City have known for nearly 4 weeks, then NO we should not pay FC Nantes, But YES pay Emiliano Sala's family £600,000 if the insurance I hear is totally invalid, I feel we are obliged to, out of Respect and saying publicly for 4 weeks Sala was our player. :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Surly the contracts would of been written up independently with Nantes and cardiffs consent ? If he wasnt officially a cardiff player then Nantes insurance should pay out to salas family and maybe a good will gesture from cardiff could be arranged?
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Postby grange_end1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:47 am

Welsh fa say Sala is registered as a Cardiff player




However, the PFA is reported to be set to push for the pension fund "to honour the payment as Sala had signed a contract with Cardiff on January 18".

The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.


John Bramhall, the PFA deputy chief executive, told The Times: "It will be for the trustees to see whether they are able to make the payment from there. Normally it would be a simple process but we will be speaking with them on this. Usually, as soon as a contract is registered with the Premier League the player is enrolled on the pension scheme."


Argentinian striker Sala died after the plane he was flying in crashed into the English Channel on January 21. His funeral took place in Argentina at the weekend.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:50 am

castleblue wrote:The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


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Always respect your posts, can you clear this up for me please.

Are you then saying Sala is a Cardiff City player?
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Postby JulesK » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:54 am

Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:
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Postby Bluebina » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:04 pm

I think we should have learned not to jump in with knee jerk reactions like we have to pay Nantes and now we have to pay his relatives, I trust Delman, Choo, and Tan to do what's right, lets wait and see what happens half the stories in the press and on here are pure guesswork followed by overreaction.

Let's review this in a few months/years when all is a bit more clear, it will all come out eventually.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:06 pm

JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:
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Postby 2blue2handle » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:18 pm

I'm sure the player had his own life insurance as well, most people do.

I trust the club to investigate and eventually the right people will have to pay.
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Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:19 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%
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Postby bluebird58 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:59 pm

As well as being a football club we are a business. If we can avoid paying anything to anyone, then that's what we should do. This is cold hard business, nothing to do with morals or emotions.
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Postby epping blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:02 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%



Would we have been party to that split in the deal or is that only subsequently come to light. I'ts probably better for us the more remote we are to the agents remuniration. We would pay Nantes and Nantes would pay him. He then arranges the doomed flight. He says it was for free but its part of the deal. Nantes were probably completely unaware of the arrangements but that doesnt mean they wont attract reasponsibilty for the actions of the agent that they engaged.

Will be going on for years I reckon.
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Postby epping blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:03 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%



Would we have been party to that split in the deal or is that only subsequently come to light. I'ts probably better for us the more remote we are to the agents remuniration. We would pay Nantes and Nantes would pay him. He then arranges the doomed flight. He says it was for free but its part of the deal. Nantes were probably completely unaware of the arrangements but that doesnt mean they wont attract reasponsibilty for the actions of the agent that they engaged.

Will be going on for years I reckon.
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Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:09 pm

epping blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%



Would we have been party to that split in the deal or is that only subsequently come to light. I'ts probably better for us the more remote we are to the agents remuniration. We would pay Nantes and Nantes would pay him. He then arranges the doomed flight. He says it was for free but its part of the deal. Nantes were probably completely unaware of the arrangements but that doesnt mean they wont attract reasponsibilty for the actions of the agent that they engaged.

Will be going on for years I reckon.

I don't think we would of known the total spilt as Nantes sort that
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Postby OriginalGrangeEndBlue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:16 pm

wez1927 wrote:Warnock said he wasnt registered as our player so where does this leave us ?


It leaves us with a .... let’s wait and bloody see.
Posters on here (including Annis) were voracious in their response about how we should pay Nantes, etc when the incident first came about.
Now, because facts are coming out it’s all - let’s change our mind.
None of us are privy to the facts of what’s going on and everybody on here is just guessing and asking stupid questions half the time.
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Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:21 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Warnock said he wasnt registered as our player so where does this leave us ?


It leaves us with a .... let’s wait and bloody see.
Posters on here (including Annis) were voracious in their response about how we should pay Nantes, etc when the incident first came about.
Now, because facts are coming out it’s all - let’s change our mind.
None of us are privy to the facts of what’s going on and everybody on here is just guessing and asking stupid questions half the time.



I have always maintained if we owe it and everything is in order paper work then we should pay it, minus Agents.

If it’s not fully in order, then we don’t pay FC Nantes etc just pay towards the family as for 4 weeks we have publicly stated Emiliano Sala was our player :bluebird:

I have changed on nothing and stand by what I have stated :thumbright: :bluebird:
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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby epping blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:56 pm

wez1927 wrote:
epping blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
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JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%



Would we have been party to that split in the deal or is that only subsequently come to light. I'ts probably better for us the more remote we are to the agents remuniration. We would pay Nantes and Nantes would pay him. He then arranges the doomed flight. He says it was for free but its part of the deal. Nantes were probably completely unaware of the arrangements but that doesnt mean they wont attract reasponsibilty for the actions of the agent that they engaged.

Will be going on for years I reckon.

I don't think we would of known the total spilt as Nantes sort that




When he came over on his initial visit, do you know who organised it ( contracted it ) and was the same operator / plane used ? I assume we would have paid seperately for that.
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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:01 pm

epping blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
epping blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
JulesK wrote:Annis I believe the club has handled this in the most appropriate way possible and have not deserved some of the press they have received.
I agree the family should be compensated whether it by Cardiff, Nantes or even PFA as this has been heartbreaking for them but we must never forget that another man's family are also grieving here, maybe even more as they have no closure so do they get compensated even though he was not a professional footballer?

As for Warnock saying " he was my player, he was a Cardiff player " I personally took that as Warnock stating that Sala was his and our TYPE of player. :thumbup:


Jules,

If its proved Emiliano Sala was not registered as officially our player, 100% we should not pay, but if its proved he is then yes he was our player.

Who ever keeps the £15mill should pay the Sala Family :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:


Agents NOTHING, City should keep £1.5mill :thumbright: :thumbright: :bluebird: :bluebird:

Included in the 15 million is 10% to McKay,10% to salas agent and 10% personally to Nantes owner plus there's 50 % to salas former club Nantes as a club are getting only 20%



Would we have been party to that split in the deal or is that only subsequently come to light. I'ts probably better for us the more remote we are to the agents remuniration. We would pay Nantes and Nantes would pay him. He then arranges the doomed flight. He says it was for free but its part of the deal. Nantes were probably completely unaware of the arrangements but that doesnt mean they wont attract reasponsibilty for the actions of the agent that they engaged.

Will be going on for years I reckon.

I don't think we would of known the total spilt as Nantes sort that




When he came over on his initial visit, do you know who organised it ( contracted it ) and was the same operator / plane used ? I assume we would have paid seperately for that.

McKay organised it for Nantes he was employed by them to sell sala hes admitted that
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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby castleblue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:04 pm

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castleblue wrote:The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


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Gary,

Always respect your posts, can you clear this up for me please.

Are you then saying Sala is a Cardiff City player?


Truthfully Annis I don't know but I suspect that his registration was not completed by the time he died because of the lack of an ITC. The Booth character has stated that his PL registration is separate to the ITC and that his PL registration was completed after Sala's move from Nantes to Cardiff. How do I put this Annis - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


Fifa Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players where the player is moving between National Associations is clear on this. The following is the wording that covers the ITC requirement:


Any professional player who is registered with a club that is affiliated to one association may only be registered with a club affiliated to a different association after an ITC has been delivered by the former association and the new association has confirmed receipt of the ITC. The ITC procedure must be conducted exclusively via TMS. Any form of ITC other than the one created by TMS shall not be recognised.

As you can see there is not a single mention of a League anywhere only National Associations. So Emiliano Sala was registered with the French FA to play for Nantes in whatever League or Cup Competition played under the governance of the French FA. The Premier League comes under the governance of the FA and Emiliano Sala would have needed to be registered with the FA to play for Cardiff City in the Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup.

We now know that there were discrepancies in the documentation submitted by the clubs on the FIFA TMS and that changes had been requested before the transfer documents were approved. What we don't know absolutely is why the discrepancy occurred but until they were resolved the "NEW Association", in this case the FA would not have been allowed to request an ITC from the "FORMER Association", in this case the French FA.

If all that makes sense I hope you can see why I think the claim about Premier League registration and ITC made by this Booth character is - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby wez1927 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:11 pm

castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


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Gary,

Always respect your posts, can you clear this up for me please.

Are you then saying Sala is a Cardiff City player?


Truthfully Annis I don't know but I suspect that his registration was not completed by the time he died because of the lack of an ITC. The Booth character has stated that his PL registration is separate to the ITC and that his PL registration was completed after Sala's move from Nantes to Cardiff. How do I put this Annis - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


Fifa Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players where the player is moving between National Associations is clear on this. The following is the wording that covers the ITC requirement:


Any professional player who is registered with a club that is affiliated to one association may only be registered with a club affiliated to a different association after an ITC has been delivered by the former association and the new association has confirmed receipt of the ITC. The ITC procedure must be conducted exclusively via TMS. Any form of ITC other than the one created by TMS shall not be recognised.

As you can see there is not a single mention of a League anywhere only National Associations. So Emiliano Sala was registered with the French FA to play for Nantes in whatever League or Cup Competition played under the governance of the French FA. The Premier League comes under the governance of the FA and Emiliano Sala would have needed to be registered with the FA to play for Cardiff City in the Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup.

We now know that there were discrepancies in the documentation submitted by the clubs on the FIFA TMS and that changes had been requested before the transfer documents were approved. What we don't know absolutely is why the discrepancy occurred but until they were resolved the "NEW Association", in this case the FA would not have been allowed to request an ITC from the "FORMER Association", in this case the French FA.

If all that makes sense I hope you can see why I think the claim about Premier League registration and ITC made by this Booth character is - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


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Does us being under the wfa complicate it further? Are the club's playing in the English pyramid different?
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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby Forever Blue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:17 pm

castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



Gary,

Always respect your posts, can you clear this up for me please.

Are you then saying Sala is a Cardiff City player?


Truthfully Annis I don't know but I suspect that his registration was not completed by the time he died because of the lack of an ITC. The Booth character has stated that his PL registration is separate to the ITC and that his PL registration was completed after Sala's move from Nantes to Cardiff. How do I put this Annis - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


Fifa Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players where the player is moving between National Associations is clear on this. The following is the wording that covers the ITC requirement:


Any professional player who is registered with a club that is affiliated to one association may only be registered with a club affiliated to a different association after an ITC has been delivered by the former association and the new association has confirmed receipt of the ITC. The ITC procedure must be conducted exclusively via TMS. Any form of ITC other than the one created by TMS shall not be recognised.

As you can see there is not a single mention of a League anywhere only National Associations. So Emiliano Sala was registered with the French FA to play for Nantes in whatever League or Cup Competition played under the governance of the French FA. The Premier League comes under the governance of the FA and Emiliano Sala would have needed to be registered with the FA to play for Cardiff City in the Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup.

We now know that there were discrepancies in the documentation submitted by the clubs on the FIFA TMS and that changes had been requested before the transfer documents were approved. What we don't know absolutely is why the discrepancy occurred but until they were resolved the "NEW Association", in this case the FA would not have been allowed to request an ITC from the "FORMER Association", in this case the French FA.

If all that makes sense I hope you can see why I think the claim about Premier League registration and ITC made by this Booth character is - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


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Thanks Gary :thumbright:


A lot clearer now and Booth talking Utter Bollocks as you say :lol: :thumbright: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:
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Re: Sala's family to miss out on £600,000 due to City Contra

Postby castleblue » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:32 pm

wez1927 wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
castleblue wrote:The Premier League registration is separate to the International Transfer Certificate, which was completed after Sala’s move to Cardiff from Nantes. That was registered with the Football Association of Wales and confirmed him as a Cardiff player, leaving the club liable to pay Nantes the transfer fee.

Are you really sure about that Dominic :?

Suggest you do some research to find out why and how ITC are issued and accepted.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



Gary,

Always respect your posts, can you clear this up for me please.

Are you then saying Sala is a Cardiff City player?


Truthfully Annis I don't know but I suspect that his registration was not completed by the time he died because of the lack of an ITC. The Booth character has stated that his PL registration is separate to the ITC and that his PL registration was completed after Sala's move from Nantes to Cardiff. How do I put this Annis - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


Fifa Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players where the player is moving between National Associations is clear on this. The following is the wording that covers the ITC requirement:


Any professional player who is registered with a club that is affiliated to one association may only be registered with a club affiliated to a different association after an ITC has been delivered by the former association and the new association has confirmed receipt of the ITC. The ITC procedure must be conducted exclusively via TMS. Any form of ITC other than the one created by TMS shall not be recognised.

As you can see there is not a single mention of a League anywhere only National Associations. So Emiliano Sala was registered with the French FA to play for Nantes in whatever League or Cup Competition played under the governance of the French FA. The Premier League comes under the governance of the FA and Emiliano Sala would have needed to be registered with the FA to play for Cardiff City in the Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup.

We now know that there were discrepancies in the documentation submitted by the clubs on the FIFA TMS and that changes had been requested before the transfer documents were approved. What we don't know absolutely is why the discrepancy occurred but until they were resolved the "NEW Association", in this case the FA would not have been allowed to request an ITC from the "FORMER Association", in this case the French FA.

If all that makes sense I hope you can see why I think the claim about Premier League registration and ITC made by this Booth character is - UTTER BOLLOCKS.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Does us being under the wfa complicate it further? Are the club's playing in the English pyramid different?


Wez were are not under the governance of the FAW and haven't been since I think about 2010. Back then there was a bit of a stink about the FAW holding clubs like Cardiff & Swansea to different standards compared with the English clubs playing in the same pyramid system. The FA & FAW reached an agreement whereby governance of the Welsh clubs playing in the English pyramid system was handed over to the FA and it has remained that way since.

Having said that the FAW will still get a copy of any ITC issued for a player moving in or out of the geographical area it has governance of because it is an absolute requirement of FIFA. But the copies are more for information purposes rather than registering a player or having any disciplinary power over the player.

Hope that makes sense.


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