To clear up International Clearance confusion

I have been reading these threads with some interest, so would just like to clear up some confusion and some misinterpretation of information here. Also share some insight into how a deal gets done and the processes needed to be complete prior to an offical transfer:-

Every single player that plays professional football within Wales will need International Clearance from the FAW, confirmation of which is then sent onto FIFA, the contracts are then housed at FAW HQ.

There is some confusion regarding the wording on the website. So to clear that up:-

The FAW do not govern the Premier League or the football league so to say so on the website would be misleading. The FAW does have governance over Welsh clubs within the English system however, so while the FAW can claim governance over Welsh leagues they cannot claim governance over English leagues - just the clubs within it, which is why the English leagues that currently house Welsh teams are not listed.

So with regards to transfers. The players transfer becomes complete as soon as the paperwork is sent to the FAW and International Clearance is completed and sent to FIFA. At the same time, registration will also be sent to the league in question to make them eligible to play in that competition and register the player for the league specific benefit/pension system - but this has no bearing on transfer completion.

Below is an informative break down of the typical transfer process at a Welsh club in the EPL. This specific example is when Swansea City signed Borja Baston from Atletico Madrid.

The Friday detail is what you will be most interested in.

.................


Ever wondered what happens when a player arrives for a medical - and why it sometimes takes so long to announce the completion of the transfer?
Well here is a brief rundown of club-record signing Borja Baston's transfer from Atletico Madrid to the Swans.

Tuesday, August 9, 2016
11pm - Player arrives at Bristol Airport before being picked up by a club representative and driven to a Swansea hotel


Wednesday
10am - Report to training facility for introductions and change into training kit
10.30am - Medical review with Club Doctor, Jez McCluskey. Completion of medical questionnaire and medical examination (including blood and urine tests)
11.00am - Physiotherapy assessment with Head Physio, Kate Rees. Full baseline Musculoskeletal assessment that covers joints, ligaments, muscles, nerves, tendons and structures that support limbs, neck and back.
12pm - Review with Head of Sports Science, Jonny Northeast. Assess baseline fitness through gym and pitch tests
12.45pm - Lunch
1.15pm - Depart for specialist hospital in Cardiff for second part of the medical.
2.30pm - Routine MRI Scans of joints and any additional scans as per findings of doctor and physio's examination
5.30pm - Cardiac testing (including ECG & Echocardiogram) before a review and assessment by Consultant Cardiologist
7.10pm - Consultant Orthopaedic review of injury history and examination Musculoskeletal system.
7.40pm - Pre-signing medical complete
9pm - Player and his agent returns to Liberty Stadium to sign paperwork that has been worked on throughout the day with representatives from both parties.
9.30pm - Completed paperwork is sent to transferring club for counter signatures.


Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

It looks like the freak show roathy is now an expert on all transfer dealings.

The friday part of the transfer is interesting as the fa sent the paperwork back to the club so the transfer is incomplete

The friday part of the transfer is interesting as the fa sent the paperwork back to the club so the transfer is incomplete

Wez1927, to be clear, if there was a problem with the FA/EPL side of the contract, that would only affect such things as the eligibility to field that player in that particular competition, player pension scheme, various club and player insurances, enrolment in PFA umbrella for player etc it would not affect the eligibility of the transfer itself. Once International clearance has been granted and lodged with FIFA, then the transfer is complete.

The friday part of the transfer is interesting as the fa sent the paperwork back to the club so the transfer is incomplete

Wez1927, to be clear, if there was a problem with the FA/EPL side of the contract, that would only affect such things as the eligibility to field that player in that particular competition, player pension scheme, various club and player insurances, enrolment in PFA umbrella for player etc it would not affect the eligibility of the transfer itself. Once International clearance has been granted and lodged with FIFA, then the transfer is complete.

For international clearance to be given the fa paper work would have to be all in order ,the contract was invalid are you saying the faw jumped the gun and registured an invalid contract?

The friday part of the transfer is interesting as the fa sent the paperwork back to the club so the transfer is incomplete

Wez1927, to be clear, if there was a problem with the FA/EPL side of the contract, that would only affect such things as the eligibility to field that player in that particular competition, player pension scheme, various club and player insurances, enrolment in PFA umbrella for player etc it would not affect the eligibility of the transfer itself. Once International clearance has been granted and lodged with FIFA, then the transfer is complete.

For international clearance to be given the fa paper work would have to be all in order ,the contract was invalid are you saying the faw jumped the gun and registured an invalid contract?

That’s incorrect. A club can complete a transfer and not register them with their league at all should they do choose, however the player would be ineligible to play in that league until registered with them. This sometimes happens when a club signs a player who has already played for the maximum quota of regulated clubs that season. They can sign him and complete the transfer but will then wait until the start of the next season in order to register him with the league.

Would the paperwork have been completed on a Saturday? He was announced as a city player on a sat night

The friday part of the transfer is interesting as the fa sent the paperwork back to the club so the transfer is incomplete

Wez1927, to be clear, if there was a problem with the FA/EPL side of the contract, that would only affect such things as the eligibility to field that player in that particular competition, player pension scheme, various club and player insurances, enrolment in PFA umbrella for player etc it would not affect the eligibility of the transfer itself. Once International clearance has been granted and lodged with FIFA, then the transfer is complete.

For international clearance to be given the fa paper work would have to be all in order ,the contract was invalid are you saying the faw jumped the gun and registured an invalid contract?

That’s incorrect. A club can complete a transfer and not register them with their league at all should they do choose, however the player would be ineligible to play in that league until registered with them. This sometimes happens when a club signs a player who has already played for the maximum quota of regulated clubs that season. They can sign him and complete the transfer but will then wait until the start of the next season in order to register him with the league.

Would help if you relate to sala not anyone else? So the contract sent back to club as nothing to do with gaining international clearance ? So basically can have clearance without being officially registeted for club as thst appears to be case here.

Would help if you relate to sala not anyone else? So the contract sent back to club as nothing to do with gaining international clearance ? So basically can have clearance without being officially registeted for club as thst appears to be case here.

Correct.

It’s all related to the transfer in question as the same rules reply for all. The worst possible scenario in this instance is that at the time, the player was not officially registered to play in the Premier League. But that would not affect whether a transfer is completed or not. In this case it will affect the players pension scheme and various insurances.

I understand the PFA will take on the case on and put it to the trustees for it to be honoured due to the circumstances.

Last edited by FAWman on Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

does not matter if it mr benn, roath, fawman or Jeremy Corbyn .it happens to be correct

We need to make up our minds?

Do we continue to say Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff player or not?

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

does not matter if it mr benn, roath, fawman or Jeremy Corbyn .it happens to be correct

Correct mate, Sven being over the top

bon joueur cardiff enregistré avec FAW.
Sven sur le dessus aussi.
Déni difficile à avaler.

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

Or Staff,or a couple of other multi's used over the years.

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

Or Staff,or a couple of other multi's used over the years.

well it didn't last as a sticky very long.

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

Or Staff,or a couple of other multi's used over the years.

well it didn't last as a sticky very long.

La vérité blesse

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

Or Staff,or a couple of other multi's used over the years.

well it didn't last as a sticky very long.

La vérité blesse

well it doesn't seem to hurt you , your still on here pretending to be a frog.

Its so weird people pretending to be in the know and using multiple usernames, why? surely you must have better things to do then failing to try to look important

Its so weird people pretending to be in the know and using multiple usernames, why? surely you must have better things to do then failing to try to look important

They are sad people.

They think being a troll on a football forum effects people’s lives.

FAWman today....tomorrow, Mr Benn!

does not matter if it mr benn, roath, fawman or Jeremy Corbyn .it happens to be correct

Maybe, but that is to miss the point, i.e. why dies this person continually feel the need to re-invent themselves to fit a single story (hence the Mr Benn comment)?

The semantics of the argument are of little interest to me, as the truth will out and then we'll all know as fact rather than opinion

I’m at a loss to explain the comments here. The forum is clearly confused with regards to contractual agreements between club and player within Wales. I provide some clarity, all which are pretty well documented and people are now accusing me of pretending to know?

By all means you can keep chasing shadows talking about the incorrect information and chasing your tail down rabbit holes if you do so wish. If someone can explain exactly where I am incorrect instead of these snide comments based on nothing then maybe it can make for a productive discussion.

Or if you don’t want to know about it then why make so many threads?

I have been reading these threads with some interest, so would just like to clear up some confusion and some misinterpretation of information here. Also share some insight into how a deal gets done and the processes needed to be complete prior to an offical transfer:-

Every single player that plays professional football within Wales will need International Clearance from the FAW, confirmation of which is then sent onto FIFA, the contracts are then housed at FAW HQ.

There is some confusion regarding the wording on the website. So to clear that up:-

The FAW do not govern the Premier League or the football league so to say so on the website would be misleading. The FAW does have governance over Welsh clubs within the English system however, so while the FAW can claim governance over Welsh leagues they cannot claim governance over English leagues - just the clubs within it, which is why the English leagues that currently house Welsh teams are not listed.

So with regards to transfers. The players transfer becomes complete as soon as the paperwork is sent to the FAW and International Clearance is completed and sent to FIFA. At the same time, registration will also be sent to the league in question to make them eligible to play in that competition and register the player for the league specific benefit/pension system - but this has no bearing on transfer completion.

Below is an informative break down of the typical transfer process at a Welsh club in the EPL. This specific example is when Swansea City signed Borja Baston from Atletico Madrid.

The Friday detail is what you will be most interested in.

.................


Ever wondered what happens when a player arrives for a medical - and why it sometimes takes so long to announce the completion of the transfer?
Well here is a brief rundown of club-record signing Borja Baston's transfer from Atletico Madrid to the Swans.

Tuesday, August 9, 2016
11pm - Player arrives at Bristol Airport before being picked up by a club representative and driven to a Swansea hotel


Wednesday
10am - Report to training facility for introductions and change into training kit
10.30am - Medical review with Club Doctor, Jez McCluskey. Completion of medical questionnaire and medical examination (including blood and urine tests)
11.00am - Physiotherapy assessment with Head Physio, Kate Rees. Full baseline Musculoskeletal assessment that covers joints, ligaments, muscles, nerves, tendons and structures that support limbs, neck and back.
12pm - Review with Head of Sports Science, Jonny Northeast. Assess baseline fitness through gym and pitch tests
12.45pm - Lunch
1.15pm - Depart for specialist hospital in Cardiff for second part of the medical.
2.30pm - Routine MRI Scans of joints and any additional scans as per findings of doctor and physio's examination
5.30pm - Cardiac testing (including ECG & Echocardiogram) before a review and assessment by Consultant Cardiologist
7.10pm - Consultant Orthopaedic review of injury history and examination Musculoskeletal system.
7.40pm - Pre-signing medical complete
9pm - Player and his agent returns to Liberty Stadium to sign paperwork that has been worked on throughout the day with representatives from both parties.
9.30pm - Completed paperwork is sent to transferring club for counter signatures.


Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

Transfer matching system
1 Scope
1.The transfer matching system (TMS; cf. point 13 of the Definitions section) is designed to ensure that football authorities have more details available to them on international player transfers. This will increase the transparency of individual transactions, which will in turn improve the credibility and standing of the entire transfer system.

2.TMS is designed to clearly distinguish between the different payments in relation to international player transfers. All such payments must be entered in the system as this is the only way to be transparent about tracking the money
being moved around in relation to these transfers. At the same time, the system will require associations to ensure that it is indeed a real player who is being transferred and not a fictitious player being used for illicit activities such
as money-laundering.

3.TMS helps safeguard the protection of minors. If a minor is being registered as a non-national for the first time or is involved in an international transfer, an approval must be given by a sub-committee appointed by the Players’
Status Committee for that purpose (cf. article 19 paragraph 4). The request for approval by the association that wishes to register the minor on the basis of article 19 paragraphs 2 and 3 and the subsequent decision-making workflow must be conducted through TMS (cf. Annexe 2).

4. Within the scope of the present annexe (cf. specifically, article 1 paragraph 5), TMS is the means by which ITCs are requested and delivered.

5.The use of TMS is a mandatory step for all international transfers of professional male players within the scope of eleven-a-side football, and any registration of such a player without the use of TMS will be deemed invalid.

6. An international transfer needs to be entered in TMS whenever a player is to be registered as a professional (cf. article 2 paragraph 2) by the new association.



So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

I have been reading these threads with some interest, so would just like to clear up some confusion and some misinterpretation of information here. Also share some insight into how a deal gets done and the processes needed to be complete prior to an offical transfer:-

Every single player that plays professional football within Wales will need International Clearance from the FAW, confirmation of which is then sent onto FIFA, the contracts are then housed at FAW HQ.

There is some confusion regarding the wording on the website. So to clear that up:-

The FAW do not govern the Premier League or the football league so to say so on the website would be misleading. The FAW does have governance over Welsh clubs within the English system however, so while the FAW can claim governance over Welsh leagues they cannot claim governance over English leagues - just the clubs within it, which is why the English leagues that currently house Welsh teams are not listed.

So with regards to transfers. The players transfer becomes complete as soon as the paperwork is sent to the FAW and International Clearance is completed and sent to FIFA. At the same time, registration will also be sent to the league in question to make them eligible to play in that competition and register the player for the league specific benefit/pension system - but this has no bearing on transfer completion.

Below is an informative break down of the typical transfer process at a Welsh club in the EPL. This specific example is when Swansea City signed Borja Baston from Atletico Madrid.

The Friday detail is what you will be most interested in.

.................


Ever wondered what happens when a player arrives for a medical - and why it sometimes takes so long to announce the completion of the transfer?
Well here is a brief rundown of club-record signing Borja Baston's transfer from Atletico Madrid to the Swans.

Tuesday, August 9, 2016
11pm - Player arrives at Bristol Airport before being picked up by a club representative and driven to a Swansea hotel


Wednesday
10am - Report to training facility for introductions and change into training kit
10.30am - Medical review with Club Doctor, Jez McCluskey. Completion of medical questionnaire and medical examination (including blood and urine tests)
11.00am - Physiotherapy assessment with Head Physio, Kate Rees. Full baseline Musculoskeletal assessment that covers joints, ligaments, muscles, nerves, tendons and structures that support limbs, neck and back.
12pm - Review with Head of Sports Science, Jonny Northeast. Assess baseline fitness through gym and pitch tests
12.45pm - Lunch
1.15pm - Depart for specialist hospital in Cardiff for second part of the medical.
2.30pm - Routine MRI Scans of joints and any additional scans as per findings of doctor and physio's examination
5.30pm - Cardiac testing (including ECG & Echocardiogram) before a review and assessment by Consultant Cardiologist
7.10pm - Consultant Orthopaedic review of injury history and examination Musculoskeletal system.
7.40pm - Pre-signing medical complete
9pm - Player and his agent returns to Liberty Stadium to sign paperwork that has been worked on throughout the day with representatives from both parties.
9.30pm - Completed paperwork is sent to transferring club for counter signatures.


Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

Transfer matching system
1 Scope
1.The transfer matching system (TMS; cf. point 13 of the Definitions section) is designed to ensure that football authorities have more details available to them on international player transfers. This will increase the transparency of individual transactions, which will in turn improve the credibility and standing of the entire transfer system.

2.TMS is designed to clearly distinguish between the different payments in relation to international player transfers. All such payments must be entered in the system as this is the only way to be transparent about tracking the money
being moved around in relation to these transfers. At the same time, the system will require associations to ensure that it is indeed a real player who is being transferred and not a fictitious player being used for illicit activities such
as money-laundering.

3.TMS helps safeguard the protection of minors. If a minor is being registered as a non-national for the first time or is involved in an international transfer, an approval must be given by a sub-committee appointed by the Players’
Status Committee for that purpose (cf. article 19 paragraph 4). The request for approval by the association that wishes to register the minor on the basis of article 19 paragraphs 2 and 3 and the subsequent decision-making workflow must be conducted through TMS (cf. Annexe 2).

4. Within the scope of the present annexe (cf. specifically, article 1 paragraph 5), TMS is the means by which ITCs are requested and delivered.

5.The use of TMS is a mandatory step for all international transfers of professional male players within the scope of eleven-a-side football, and any registration of such a player without the use of TMS will be deemed invalid.

6. An international transfer needs to be entered in TMS whenever a player is to be registered as a professional (cf. article 2 paragraph 2) by the new association.



So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

BANG!

Headline reads: Respected member trumps troll!

Will come back next week to this topic as its sure to be continuing!

So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

I did not mention TMS anywhere in my post, let alone say it doesn’t apply.

I have read my post again and have absolutely no idea where you are even linking the two. My post was pretty much a direct response to you incorrectly telling everyone (and misinforming them) that the FAW does not handle the registration of professional footballers within Wales INCLUDING the ones in Wales that play in the English system. It’s just not true, demonstrably so.

It seems you have moved from that incorrect line of defence to your new claim that the Sala transfer was not party to TMS. Which is the first I have heard anyone link the two. Can you show me where you are seeing that the Sala transfer was not entered in TMS? That’s not me saying it was either - but this is information not previously used in your initial postings or indeed my response so it’s a little strange that’s all.

So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

I did not mention TMS anywhere in my post, let alone say it doesn’t apply.

I have read my post again and have absolutely no idea where you are even linking the two. My post was pretty much a direct response to you incorrectly telling everyone (and misinforming them) that the FAW does not handle the registration of professional footballers within Wales INCLUDING the ones in Wales that play in the English system. It’s just not true, demonstrably so.

It seems you have moved from that incorrect line of defence to your new claim that the Sala transfer was not party to TMS. Which is the first I have heard anyone link the two. Can you show me where you are seeing that the Sala transfer was not entered in TMS? That’s not me saying it was either - but this is information not previously used in your initial postings or indeed my response so it’s a little strange that’s all.

Let me help you this is directly from your OP.

Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

So in your example transfer the clubs exchange paperwork then the documents are sent to the PL,FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance.

PMSL laughing at that load of nonsense.

So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

I did not mention TMS anywhere in my post, let alone say it doesn’t apply.

I have read my post again and have absolutely no idea where you are even linking the two. My post was pretty much a direct response to you incorrectly telling everyone (and misinforming them) that the FAW does not handle the registration of professional footballers within Wales INCLUDING the ones in Wales that play in the English system. It’s just not true, demonstrably so.

It seems you have moved from that incorrect line of defence to your new claim that the Sala transfer was not party to TMS. Which is the first I have heard anyone link the two. Can you show me where you are seeing that the Sala transfer was not entered in TMS? That’s not me saying it was either - but this is information not previously used in your initial postings or indeed my response so it’s a little strange that’s all.

Let me help you this is directly from your OP.

Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

So in your example transfer the clubs exchange paperwork then the documents are sent to the PL,FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance.

PMSL laughing at that load of nonsense.

It’s not my example. It is an official account of exactly what happened in this transfer and almost every other one by a then PL club. It can be found here:-

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/timeline-tale-transfer

As a matter of correction however, documents are sent to the FA for player registration, FAW for transfer registration and IC as well as then to FIFA to house the IC notice.

None of which has anything to do with the matching system, which is essentially a conjoined and accompanied online electronic paper trail which is enlisted on every transfer. So while it’s clear you didn’t understand what you were talking about regarding international clearance and the FAW jurisdictions, it’s also clear you don’t understand what the matching system is.

If only you weren’t so defensive you could indeed get some answers you clearly want.

So what you are saying FAWman is that this FIFA MANDATORY REQUIREMENT doesn't apply in Wales

I did not mention TMS anywhere in my post, let alone say it doesn’t apply.

I have read my post again and have absolutely no idea where you are even linking the two. My post was pretty much a direct response to you incorrectly telling everyone (and misinforming them) that the FAW does not handle the registration of professional footballers within Wales INCLUDING the ones in Wales that play in the English system. It’s just not true, demonstrably so.

It seems you have moved from that incorrect line of defence to your new claim that the Sala transfer was not party to TMS. Which is the first I have heard anyone link the two. Can you show me where you are seeing that the Sala transfer was not entered in TMS? That’s not me saying it was either - but this is information not previously used in your initial postings or indeed my response so it’s a little strange that’s all.

Let me help you this is directly from your OP.

Friday
11.30am - Completed paperwork is returned by transferring club.
12.10pm - Documents sent to Premier League and FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance
12.30pm - Clubs announce transfer is complete

So in your example transfer the clubs exchange paperwork then the documents are sent to the PL,FAW for registration and FIFA for international clearance.

PMSL laughing at that load of nonsense.

It’s not my example. It is an official account of exactly what happened in this transfer and almost every other one by a then PL club. It can be found here:-

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/timeline-tale-transfer

As a matter of correction however, documents are sent to the FA for player registration, FAW for transfer registration and IC as well as then to FIFA to house the IC notice.

None of which has anything to do with the matching system, which is essentially a conjoined and accompanied online electronic paper trail which is enlisted on every transfer. So while it’s clear you didn’t understand what you were talking about regarding international clearance and the FAW jurisdictions, it’s also clear you don’t understand what the matching system is.

If only you weren’t so defensive you could indeed get some answers you clearly want.

So International Transfer Certificates have nothing to do with TMS Really

FIFA Regulations say something very very different:

TMS is the means by which ITCs are requested and delivered.

Clubs must use TMS for international transfers of players.

When entering transfer instructions, clubs shall specify the player involved. TMS contains the details of many players who have participated in FIFA tournaments. If the details of the player involved are not already in TMS, the clubs shall enter them as a part of the transfer instruction. The procedure in relation to the ITC request may only be initiated once these player details have been verified, corrected if required and confirmed by the player’s former association. The former association shall reject the player if the details of his identity cannot be fully confirmed against its own registration records. The verification of player details shall be done without delay.

A player may only be registered with one club at a time.

Players registered at one association may only be registered at a new association once the latter has received an International Transfer Certificate from the former association. The ITC shall be issued free of charge without any conditions or time limit. Any provisions to the contrary shall be null and void. The association issuing the ITC shall lodge a copy with
FIFA.




Game set and match I believe.