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Mon May 13, 2019 10:01 am
SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Mon May 13, 2019 11:23 am
Sven wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:Study history ,economics and demographics.
It's nonsense. Wales never has been a country, just a region outside central administration for a few centuries here and there.
It has no potential income or rescources to support an economy and its people are as English as Welsh by blood.
Ideas to the contrary are the fruits of strange romantic or political fantasies and I'm afraid that anyone who's been seduced by them should think again.
Fair comment there and based on the facts not the fantasy of the self-agenda laden nationalists
I have no issues with Plaid in the 'local' elections; they fight for 'local' issues and do a good job. However, any thoughts they have of running an 'independent' Wales would be scary, if it weren't for its extreme unlikelihood
Mon May 13, 2019 2:21 pm
bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
Mon May 13, 2019 2:25 pm
rumpo kid wrote:God point..it’s a wasted building at the moment.
Mon May 13, 2019 2:36 pm
we get more money per head than the English taxpayer ,Scotland get even moreBlueGog wrote:bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
I think you’ll find that Wales is almost as poor as Albania now! Sa a mater of interest, Wales is the 5th largest producer of electricity in the world, but of course we don’t get a penny for it and then of course there our water the oil of the future...
Mon May 13, 2019 2:54 pm
wez1927 wrote:we get more money per head than the English taxpayer ,Scotland get even moreBlueGog wrote:bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
I think you’ll find that Wales is almost as poor as Albania now! Sa a mater of interest, Wales is the 5th largest producer of electricity in the world, but of course we don’t get a penny for it and then of course there our water the oil of the future...
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Mon May 13, 2019 4:51 pm
BlueGog wrote:wez1927 wrote:we get more money per head than the English taxpayer ,Scotland get even moreBlueGog wrote:bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
I think you’ll find that Wales is almost as poor as Albania now! Sa a mater of interest, Wales is the 5th largest producer of electricity in the world, but of course we don’t get a penny for it and then of course there our water the oil of the future...
Malta, Iceland, Luxembourg, Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia, Monaco, Ireland...small independent nations doing just fine. Just think how rich we could become selling our electricity and water to the world, oh and possibly England if they pay up!
Mon May 13, 2019 5:08 pm
BlueGog wrote:wez1927 wrote:we get more money per head than the English taxpayer ,Scotland get even moreBlueGog wrote:bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
I think you’ll find that Wales is almost as poor as Albania now! Sa a mater of interest, Wales is the 5th largest producer of electricity in the world, but of course we don’t get a penny for it and then of course there our water the oil of the future...
Malta, Iceland, Luxembourg, Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia, Monaco, Ireland...small independent nations doing just fine. Just think how rich we could become selling our electricity and water to the world, oh and possibly England if they pay up!
Mon May 13, 2019 5:16 pm
Mon May 13, 2019 5:49 pm
rumpo kid wrote:God point..it’s a wasted building at the moment.
Mon May 13, 2019 5:52 pm
bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
Mon May 13, 2019 5:54 pm
Jock wrote:BlueGog wrote:wez1927 wrote:we get more money per head than the English taxpayer ,Scotland get even moreBlueGog wrote:bleubird62 wrote:Independence would be disastrous for Wales. It would turn us into the Albania of the UK. Welsh assembly government cannot even sort out a decent road into Wales, can you imaging what would happen if they took up the reins of government for the whole country. Plaid trying to slip independence in on the back of anti Brexit feeling is disgraceful, and dishonest; they seem to have conveniently forgotten the Welsh electorate voted for Brexit.
I am very patriotic about being Welsh, but, as has been well put, you don't have to be a nationalist to be a patriot.
I think you’ll find that Wales is almost as poor as Albania now! Sa a mater of interest, Wales is the 5th largest producer of electricity in the world, but of course we don’t get a penny for it and then of course there our water the oil of the future...
Malta, Iceland, Luxembourg, Latvia, Estonia, Slovakia, Monaco, Ireland...small independent nations doing just fine. Just think how rich we could become selling our electricity and water to the world, oh and possibly England if they pay up!
Maybe you should check the minimum and average wage in the country’s you claim are doing just fine (Monaco is not a country by the way it’s a principality) Just like the Scots Natz you blame England for all your problems.
Mon May 13, 2019 6:10 pm
montyblue wrote:SIR JIMMY SCHOULAR
we could be independent if we really wanted to just the same as ireland
We have natural resources like water which is supplied to a lot of englands regions, but we have never been in charge of our resources,
Water and coal, have been run and controlled by westminster.
The crying shame was after the coal mines where shut no money was pumped into the welsh valleys
but regions in england yorkshire and Nottinghamshire money was pumped into those regions,
the honda factory and jcb where all built there to help the work force ,and concidering wales supplied most of the coal across the uk you would have thought an equal share would have come to wales.
But there was political dealings wales miners been the last out on strike and the nothern miners doing deals with the goverment had the investment, if they went back to work.
As regards the bigger picture of independence smaller countries than us manage, finland, iceland, and as i mentioned across the water ireland.
Wales by the way has never agreed to be run by england,scotland has hence the union flag,neither have we been taken over or conquered.
I love my country with a passion
But i have lots of english and ,scottish friends so i am not anti uk.
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rumpo kid wrote:And who would pay to buy all the power stations? And DCWW is a not for profit organisation.
The get rich plan has hit a snag.
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