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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Mon May 20, 2019 6:01 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Adam Price is a failure in business.. in fact he has a long track record of outstanding underachievement.

I think the languages you refer, were called Gaelic.

But you knew that.


Actually the Celtic languages fall into two groups Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish and Breton) and Goedelic (Irish, Gaelic and Manx) so no it wasn't and isn't Gaelic
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby rumpo kid » Mon May 20, 2019 6:23 pm

Point is, you said it was Welsh. It wasn’t.

It’s quite sad.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby dogfound » Mon May 20, 2019 7:14 pm

BlueGog wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
epping blue wrote:




Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.


I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.

But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.



Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.

Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.

Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?


Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).

Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.

You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.



tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Mon May 20, 2019 7:38 pm

dogfound wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
epping blue wrote:




Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.


I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.

But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.



Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.

Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.

Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?


Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).

Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.

You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.



tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..


600 castles in Wales, many of them built by the English,do you really think they built them for fun?
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Mon May 20, 2019 7:40 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Point is, you said it was Welsh. It wasn’t.

It’s quite sad.


I think you've miss-understood something, it was early Welsh!

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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby dogfound » Tue May 21, 2019 11:20 am

BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
epping blue wrote:




Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.


I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.

But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.



Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.

Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.

Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?


Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).

Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.

You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.



tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..


600 castles in Wales, many of them built by the English,do you really think they built them for fun?



whoosh right over your head...
my point was that the US you are so proud along with the castle builders are both our ancestors...
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby rumpo kid » Tue May 21, 2019 11:54 am

Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby dogfound » Tue May 21, 2019 12:09 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Tue May 21, 2019 3:07 pm

rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..


You really do need a history lesson my friend...

Old Welsh (Welsh: Hen Gymraeg) is the label attached to the Welsh language from about 800 AD until the early 12th century when it developed into Middle Welsh. The preceding period, from the time Welsh became distinct from Common Brittonic around 550, has been called "Primitive" or "Archaic Welsh".
Language family: Indo-European > Celtic >.
Early forms: Common Brittonic: Western Brittonic
Era: Evolved into Middle Welsh about the 12th ...
Native to: Wales

Check it out for yourself, go on I dare you.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Tue May 21, 2019 3:18 pm

dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby pembroke allan » Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm

BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
SirJimmySchoular wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
epping blue wrote:




Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.


I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.

But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.



Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.

Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.

Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?


Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).

Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.

You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.



tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..


600 castles in Wales, many of them built by the English,do you really think they built them for fun?




No they built them so the tide would come in and wash them away! :laughing6:
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby Steve Zodiak » Tue May 21, 2019 4:21 pm

BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby BlueGog » Tue May 21, 2019 5:47 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby dogfound » Tue May 21, 2019 6:07 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.



yes other countries are incapable of dam a river...jeez man give it some thought and join the dots will you..
equally solar panels..youd swear we have a humongous surface area with high sun light...we do not ..honest
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby Mr Potato » Tue May 21, 2019 6:10 pm

fact we do not export electricity, Wales does have power stations and wind farms etc that provide electricity to the National Grid. However to try and build an economy off an energy absolutely anyone can generate is clutching at a lot more than straws.

Water? As climate change kicks in and the world dries up or floods - either or, you can surely grasp the point here.

We have nothing at all to trade really, we have no currency, and we’d be trading on WTO terms meaning we’d have to have hefty tariffs on the sweet fook all we will be trading. Of course there is scope to trade plastics, apparently this board, Cardiff and the surrounding areas has got plenty of those. Although even we are becoming redundant, so you can’t even trade us!!
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby Steve Zodiak » Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.


We were once upon a time responsible for a third of all the coal exported throughout the World, with Barry & Cardiff docks being the number one and two biggest coal exporters across the globe. We were fortunate that our small nation had rich seams of coal flowing throughout the valleys and beyond, something that other countries did not have. We are not sitting on rich reserves of electricity, we have to create it and most countries are capable of building their own windmills. I doubt if we will ever get rich from exporting enough electricity to satisfy a population of just 5 million people.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby rumpo kid » Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm

Bluegog.. we are not even in the top twenty dollar worth of exporters, and we produce about 8% of UK electricity.

Germany exports 10% of the world total, dollar worth approx 3bn..

Independent, we immediately lose £14bn from Westminster


But never mind that.. we can be the worlds biggest exporter of welsh cakes. Well all be rich.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby epping blue » Tue May 21, 2019 7:38 pm

Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.


We were once upon a time responsible for a third of all the coal exported throughout the World, with Barry & Cardiff docks being the number one and two biggest coal exporters across the globe. We were fortunate that our small nation had rich seams of coal flowing throughout the valleys and beyond, something that other countries did not have. We are not sitting on rich reserves of electricity, we have to create it and most countries are capable of building their own windmills. I doubt if we will ever get rich from exporting enough electricity to satisfy a population of just 5 million people.




I'm not sure Wales could finance the construction of any significant power facility. You just need to look at the problems with financing Hinckley point, Swansea barrage and the number of power projects that have either not got off the ground or have hit problems before going on line. Their pretty much all marginal needing significant funding or enhanced power values on completion. Far from providing income they'll quite probably cost. If Wales could become self sufficient it would be as much as you could expect. The main returns however will go to the companies who build the facilities in the first place.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby Steve Zodiak » Tue May 21, 2019 7:56 pm

epping blue wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.


We were once upon a time responsible for a third of all the coal exported throughout the World, with Barry & Cardiff docks being the number one and two biggest coal exporters across the globe. We were fortunate that our small nation had rich seams of coal flowing throughout the valleys and beyond, something that other countries did not have. We are not sitting on rich reserves of electricity, we have to create it and most countries are capable of building their own windmills. I doubt if we will ever get rich from exporting enough electricity to satisfy a population of just 5 million people.




I'm not sure Wales could finance the construction of any significant power facility. You just need to look at the problems with financing Hinckley point, Swansea barrage and the number of power projects that have either not got off the ground or have hit problems before going on line. Their pretty much all marginal needing significant funding or enhanced power values on completion. Far from providing income they'll quite probably cost. If Wales could become self sufficient it would be as much as you could expect. The main returns however will go to the companies who build the facilities in the first place.


I think most of us can see your point, but those with blinkers who cannot see anything beyond an independent Wales do not take things like this into consideration. You cannot just generate electricity free of costs, and then sell it to on to someone else. Same principle with home owners. They can sell their solar powered electricity back to the national grid, but that does not equate to pure profit. The solar panels do not come cheap in the first place, and have a limited lifespan before replacement parts and general maintenance is required. Projects on a national scale needs big investment. and the companies who are involved in these projects will certainly want their cut.
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Re: (OT) Welsh independence march.

Postby dogfound » Tue May 21, 2019 8:01 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
dogfound wrote:
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..



its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..

I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..



Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.

In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.

Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.

Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.

The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.

The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.


What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.


We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.



our water ? you mean rain that falls in Wales and is collected in reservoirs owned by English companies..will we buy them or just go around confiscating anything and everything not owned by Welsh people.?
is this new independent Wales to also be a communist state..?
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