Mon May 20, 2019 6:01 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Adam Price is a failure in business.. in fact he has a long track record of outstanding underachievement.
I think the languages you refer, were called Gaelic.
But you knew that.
Mon May 20, 2019 6:23 pm
Mon May 20, 2019 7:14 pm
BlueGog wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:BlueGog wrote:epping blue wrote:
Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.
I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.
But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.
Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.
Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.
Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?
Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).
Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.
You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.
Mon May 20, 2019 7:38 pm
dogfound wrote:BlueGog wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:BlueGog wrote:epping blue wrote:
Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.
I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.
But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.
Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.
Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.
Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?
Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).
Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.
You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.
tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..
Mon May 20, 2019 7:40 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Point is, you said it was Welsh. It wasn’t.
It’s quite sad.
Tue May 21, 2019 11:20 am
BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueGog wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:BlueGog wrote:epping blue wrote:
Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.
I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.
But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.
Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.
Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.
Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?
Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).
Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.
You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.
tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..
600 castles in Wales, many of them built by the English,do you really think they built them for fun?
Tue May 21, 2019 11:54 am
Tue May 21, 2019 12:09 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
Tue May 21, 2019 3:07 pm
rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
Tue May 21, 2019 3:18 pm
dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Tue May 21, 2019 3:59 pm
BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:BlueGog wrote:SirJimmySchoular wrote:BlueGog wrote:epping blue wrote:
Well he's 10x better than Leanne but that wouldn't be hard. Thursday elections will give you the perfect yardstick by which to judge the potential support for independence. Main parties on their knees and in effect a free vote. He needs to be getting at least 25% of the vote and doing as well or even outdoing the Brexit party if his claims are credible. Don't see it myself.
I don't really see Thursday as a yardstick. that's all about Brexit and you have Brexiteers and remainers who want independence. But as you say it will give an indication. Labour are third in the polls at the moment behind Brexit and Plaid and if that was the result on Thursday it would be a boost.
But this movement, YES Cymru is about so much more than party politics, you have people from all parties on board and all ethnic backgrounds and that is an absolute necessity for it to succeed. It's about wanting the best for your country and I believe WE can do a better job of running our country than another country with its capital over 100 miles away does. (They can't even run their own country at the moment!)
Independence is natural, it's seen all over the world, not one country that has chosen independence has changed its mind and gone back to being a colony. YES Cymru would like to see Wales join that family of nations.
Who's colony is Wales then ?
In the same way it's never been a country it's never been and isn't a colony.
It took part in colonising other countries along wth the rest of Britain so it's HAD colonies, but it's never been one.
Once again we come back to arguing with people who don't have any grip on reality or history and want to establish something out of their imagination as fact.
Let's drive all the flying monkeys out of Cardiff Castle whilst we're at it shall we ?
Your view on things isn't quite correct is it. Your assumption that Wales was never a country has some truth. But it's not that simple. The 'welsh' occupied most of Britain before that Anglo Saxon invasion and were pushed westward by the invaders until they occupied four main areas - the area of southern Scotland, Cumbria (clue in the name), Cornwall and what is now Wales. There are still plenty of clues out there - Dover - from the welsh dwfr (water) Lanark - from the Welsh llanerch and there's more than a few Avon about (afon - river).
Wales as we now know it was ruled as a 'country' by Gruffydd ap Llywelyn and Owain Gwynedd. When Wales was conquered in 1282 we became England's first colony. A long time ago, but still a fact. Just imagine how difficult it must have been to tame us! They had to build a ring of castles to keep us in our place!!
For a short while during the 1400s Glyndŵr ruled Wales as one country and planned to build universities etc. Wales 'as a country' was annexed to England in the Act of Union of 1536. This wasn't done with Welsh consent by the way.
You are correct when you say that some Welshmen played a large part in creating the 'British Empire' Unfortunately we have a lot of blood on our hands. We played our part in creating many colonies as you correctly say. But we are England's first and last colony.
tame US ?
and how much has the gene pool changed over the hundreds of years that have passed ?
your kidding yourself mate..
600 castles in Wales, many of them built by the English,do you really think they built them for fun?
Tue May 21, 2019 4:21 pm
BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
Tue May 21, 2019 5:47 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
Tue May 21, 2019 6:07 pm
BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.
Tue May 21, 2019 6:10 pm
Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm
BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.
Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm
Tue May 21, 2019 7:38 pm
Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.
We were once upon a time responsible for a third of all the coal exported throughout the World, with Barry & Cardiff docks being the number one and two biggest coal exporters across the globe. We were fortunate that our small nation had rich seams of coal flowing throughout the valleys and beyond, something that other countries did not have. We are not sitting on rich reserves of electricity, we have to create it and most countries are capable of building their own windmills. I doubt if we will ever get rich from exporting enough electricity to satisfy a population of just 5 million people.
Tue May 21, 2019 7:56 pm
epping blue wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.
We were once upon a time responsible for a third of all the coal exported throughout the World, with Barry & Cardiff docks being the number one and two biggest coal exporters across the globe. We were fortunate that our small nation had rich seams of coal flowing throughout the valleys and beyond, something that other countries did not have. We are not sitting on rich reserves of electricity, we have to create it and most countries are capable of building their own windmills. I doubt if we will ever get rich from exporting enough electricity to satisfy a population of just 5 million people.
I'm not sure Wales could finance the construction of any significant power facility. You just need to look at the problems with financing Hinckley point, Swansea barrage and the number of power projects that have either not got off the ground or have hit problems before going on line. Their pretty much all marginal needing significant funding or enhanced power values on completion. Far from providing income they'll quite probably cost. If Wales could become self sufficient it would be as much as you could expect. The main returns however will go to the companies who build the facilities in the first place.
Tue May 21, 2019 8:01 pm
BlueGog wrote:Steve Zodiak wrote:BlueGog wrote:dogfound wrote:rumpo kid wrote:Early Welsh... it’s like being in conversation with Aldridge Prior..
its not these people are liars .
they have taken some pretty ropey articles and are treating them as facts.. its not unlike the Etheridge article { and many others } and the 10 million we apparently want that is on here..
some pretty mind blowing stuff in this thread that the person posting clearly believes..
5th biggest energy producer in the world...really takes very little thinking about but some hear/read it and believe and repeat it..
I have mates who have believed this sort of stuff for years and no amount of reason shifts them..
Have a read and check it out, go on...
We often, quite legitimately hear about monetising Welsh water exports, but let’s look at another example – Wales is the fifth largest exporter of electricity in the world.
In 2016 Wales generated 38.8 TWh of electricity and only consumed 16.1 TWh. This means that we exported 22.7 TWh – that’s just less than what the whole of Scotland consumes in a year.
Furthermore, Wales is well on the path to reaching its target of 70% of electricity consumption from renewable sources.
Canada is the world’s largest exporter of electricity at 64 TWh; Germany 51 TWh; Paraguay 48 TWh; France at 42TWh.Then comes Wales, placed above energy rich Norway and its $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund built on surpluses from its energy policy.
The British State as a whole isn’t even in the top ten. The reality is that most other countries are net importers of electricity or produce little for export.
The fundamental problem is that our success in producing vast amount of electricity has no monetary value for our people – again, much like our water exports. We are therefore effectively just a giant electricity power plant for another country.
What is that 22TWh worth in monetary terms. I have read estimates saying that the world uses around 160,000TWh per anum. Not sure if my maths are up to scratch, but I think our electricity export amounts to 0.01% of the world's total usage.
We don't get a penny for it do we, but we would if we were independent! With our population of 3 million it would give us a nice financial foundation. And of course we Could sell our water, that's going to be like oil in the future.
Believe in Wales.