Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:41 pm
Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:08 pm
Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:03 pm
Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:11 pm
Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:28 pm
rossblue wrote:I think we should lay on at least half of the deal.
Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:44 pm
pembroke allan wrote:FC Nantes and Cardiff City have until 5th Sept to come to agreement over his transfer; otherwise FIFA will make their own ruling, which can be appealed
Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:20 pm
Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:10 pm
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Embarrassing.
I wonder how much of the fee due we will wriggle out of paying?
If any.
And how much negativity that will have caused in our recruitment which is obviously so easy as it is with a retiring manager and an out dated playing style. Queing up to join us they are.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:35 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:31 am
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Embarrassing.
I wonder how much of the fee due we will wriggle out of paying?
If any.
And how much negativity that will have caused in our recruitment which is obviously so easy as it is with a retiring manager and an out dated playing style. Queing up to join us they are.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:35 am
Chris Holmes wrote:Maybe they knew this FIFA judgement was coming up now. That might explain why they have been so cautious in the transfer market but are prepared to scramble a few loans now
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:55 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:56 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:57 am
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Embarrassing.
I wonder how much of the fee due we will wriggle out of paying?
If any.
And how much negativity that will have caused in our recruitment which is obviously so easy as it is with a retiring manager and an out dated playing style. Queing up to join us they are.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:24 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:13 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:35 am
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:37 am
RV Casual wrote:I dont blame Fifa to be honest.
The Clubs should be able to sort it out between themselves by the rule of law.
I think due to the unique situation FIFA just want to give both Clubs a chance to reach agreement but if it comes down to it will give there ruling.
I think it will end up that we don't have to pay by law but will reach an agreement now as Nantes have probably been hoping Fifa would side with them but they obviously havnt and that's why Nantes have been reluctant to compromise.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:48 am
JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:50 am
agreeSven wrote:rossblue wrote:I think we should lay on at least half of the deal.
We should pay what is legally due (to FC Nantes) and that could be everything, something or nothing
My biggest hope is that Emiliano Sala's family get some recompense for the loss of their son and City (for me) are morally bound to assist with that...if they haven't already
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:53 am
JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:55 am
Alan_in_China wrote:JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
A Jack being impartial on Cardiff City matters?... Yeah, right!
You don't fear for us at all, you are actually gleeful, c'mon admit it. Are you really suggesting our club should hand over 15m just like that when the club's lawyers would be instructing them not to (the lawyers know their field)? There's a whole number of acts of negligence by third parties involved in all of this. It's not about trying to worm out of any commitment - it's about what's right and wrong on a legal basis.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:58 am
Alan_in_China wrote:JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
A Jack being impartial on Cardiff City matters?... Yeah, right!
You don't fear for us at all, you are actually gleeful, c'mon admit it. Are you really suggesting our club should hand over 15m just like that when the club's lawyers would be instructing them not to (the lawyers know their field)? There's a whole number of acts of negligence by third parties involved in all of this. It's not about trying to worm out of any commitment - it's about what's right and wrong on a legal basis.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:58 am
JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:59 am
pembroke allan wrote:
If memory serves me right didn't swans reneged out of paying a club money for a player? Not sure in what context but sure it happened ! They are only on here while they are where they are will they be here after xmas hope not...
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:03 am
pembroke allan wrote:Alan_in_China wrote:JackSensealot wrote:I’m sorry to say this, and I am as impartial as they come... but the fact you still haven’t paid is horrendous. You bought him, announced him and was about to take part in training. Then the hunt for technicalities started, which I’m sure could be found in most transfers at that stage if you look hard enough. The transfer should have been honoured and then looked at a legal route if you wanted to take it up with owner of plane etc. I fear this won’t look good for you.
A Jack being impartial on Cardiff City matters?... Yeah, right!
You don't fear for us at all, you are actually gleeful, c'mon admit it. Are you really suggesting our club should hand over 15m just like that when the club's lawyers would be instructing them not to (the lawyers know their field)? There's a whole number of acts of negligence by third parties involved in all of this. It's not about trying to worm out of any commitment - it's about what's right and wrong on a legal basis.
If memory serves me right didn't swans reneged out of paying a club money for a player? Not sure in what context but sure it happened ! They are only on here while they are where they are will they be here after xmas hope not...
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:03 am
piledriver64 wrote:
You really got a clue, or maybe a brain.
We will pay what's due when the legal experts can tell us what’s due.
There are insurances and parties all trying to work out who owes what.
Nantes aren’t squeeky clean in this.
Let’s just wait to see who’s liable for what and then deal with it.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:09 am
pembroke allan wrote:
Sounds familiar?
Swansea City transfer ban over Tamas Priskin row
• Town claim Welsh club still owe them for loan striker's wages
• Premier League new boys deny knowledge of wrongdoing
Press Association
Fri 24 Jun 2011 18.23 EDT
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Ipswich Town have reported Swansea City to the Premier League and asked for a transfer embargo to be placed on the top-flight newcomers for alleged non-payment of invoices.
Ipswich's chief executive, Simon Clegg, claims Swansea have reneged on a deal relating to the payment of Tamas Priskin's wages while he was on loan last season and subsequent add-ons as a result of their promotion. Clegg said: "I am hugely disappointed a legally binding agreement reached in good faith by both clubs as part of Swansea's final push for promotion is now being disputed."
Ipswich claim the loan agreement made provision for Swansea to pay for the Hungarian striker's wages up to 31 May even though he was injured on April 22. They also say the contract provided for "cumulative payments for each stage of the play-off competition".
Clegg added: "I am genuinely delighted for Swansea and their fans but the attempted renegotiation and deliberate misinterpretation of agreed terms by their chairman [Huw Jenkins] is not fitting for a club which has just secured the ultimate prize in Championship football and its £90m windfall. Tamas arrived in Swansea fit and became injured while under their care – that's football but contracts have to be honoured and I have absolutely no interest in renegotiating this agreement.
"As a result of Swansea refusing to pay our invoices I have reported them to the Premier League, sought an immediate transfer embargo and am now seeking full payment of all outstanding sums with the agreed contractual interest rate of 5% above base."
Swansea responded by saying they were "completely unaware of any dispute with Ipswich". Jenkins said: "In response to Ipswich Town's statement, as a club we are completely unaware of any dispute with Ipswich. Myself and Simon Clegg talked a few weeks
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:23 am
JackSensealot wrote:piledriver64 wrote:
You really got a clue, or maybe a brain.
We will pay what's due when the legal experts can tell us what’s due.
There are insurances and parties all trying to work out who owes what.
Nantes aren’t squeeky clean in this.
Let’s just wait to see who’s liable for what and then deal with it.
It’s about what is right, not technicalities.
OJ Simpson is technically and legally didn’t murder his wife... technicalities get exploited in cases such as this all the time, but it’s not often thought about regarding the costs and damage of the long term reputation damage to the person/business.
I have a feeling should Tan worm his way out of this, the club will feel the effects of that for dozens of transfer windows to come, to a point where Tan would look back at this and realise that paying was probably the cheap option.
Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:25 am
Isawgarystevensscoreagoal wrote:Until its told it doesn't have to, club has to factor in full financial commitment in to its ongoing finances so it has obviously effected transfers.
Fifa were never at this stage going to come down with any judgement.
Club are wriggling. Announced as our player. End of really in my view.
I know it's all been said before and legalities are complex but with holding monies as we have will not help with future transfers as clubs, agents and players will be wary.
Another point but the whole stage payment arrangements of lots of transfers needs more transparency. As do undisclosed fees.
Almost everything in public domain these days even how much you pay for your house and I'm surprised transfer fees aren't the same. How much the actual fee is and when plus levies and agents fees should all be fully published in my view.