Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:16 pm
castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:I cannot see anyway that the Government will win the vote to hold a General Election because turkeys don't vote for Christmas and a GE at this time will bring certainly bring Christmas early for many current MP's.
In my opinion yesterdays events in Parliament only go to show how far detached from reality the rodents that currently infest the House Of Commons are from the British people. I believe the vast majority want Brexit over and done with, one way or another, but the rodents have had 3 opportunities to agree to support a "Deal" with the EU but voted it down, now they are seeking to delay leaving the EU for god knows how long. It simply beggers belief.
Comrade Corbyn has been the Chief architect of this chaos in my opinion and his motion calling for Parliament to "Take Control" only goes to show his ignorance of the UK Constitution. Parliament is not the "Sovereign Body" in the UK the real power is "The Crown In Parliament".
Even if this bill passes all it's stages in Parliament it will still require "Royal Assent" before it becomes law. We have seen so many twists and turn in this whole saga does anyone think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Boris Johnson would advise the Queen to refuse to grant Royal Assent because it is preventing completing the democratic decision of the British people as represented by the EU Referendum in 2016. It may be over 300 years since a Monarch refused to grant Royal Assent but normal practice is for the Monarch to take the advice of her Government, or her Prime Minister in particular. I can see Boris Johnson giving the Queen such advice.
Loads more twists and turns to come I think.
What an interesting post? It is amazing to think that the Government of the day has no majority and the opposition doesn't want to vote it down!!!!
His tactic seems to be to delay the legislation until after we leave the EU on 31 October. You wouldn't put it past Boris to go on holiday, develop man flu and then say he can't get to the Palace to see the Queen because his limo's MOT has run out Only for everything to get fixed on the 1 November
The fixed term Parliament Act does allow for a new GE "IF" Parliament passes a vote of No Confidence but Comrade Corbyn knows he would NEVER have got those Tory rebels to vote down their Government. The fact that he hasn't moved a vote of no confidence shows he is either running scared of the British Electorate or being faced with being PM and having to deliver Brexit.
The EU Referendum was about "Taking Back Control" from Brussels, maybe the buzz phrase for a GE should be "Take Back Control" from Parliament. Eventually there will be a General Election and we should use that as a means of "Pest Control" and get rid of the rodents who are infesting Parliament.
The Limo MOT Scenario sounds like a "Very Cunning Plan" mind.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:40 pm
pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:I cannot see anyway that the Government will win the vote to hold a General Election because turkeys don't vote for Christmas and a GE at this time will bring certainly bring Christmas early for many current MP's.
In my opinion yesterdays events in Parliament only go to show how far detached from reality the rodents that currently infest the House Of Commons are from the British people. I believe the vast majority want Brexit over and done with, one way or another, but the rodents have had 3 opportunities to agree to support a "Deal" with the EU but voted it down, now they are seeking to delay leaving the EU for god knows how long. It simply beggers belief.
Comrade Corbyn has been the Chief architect of this chaos in my opinion and his motion calling for Parliament to "Take Control" only goes to show his ignorance of the UK Constitution. Parliament is not the "Sovereign Body" in the UK the real power is "The Crown In Parliament".
Even if this bill passes all it's stages in Parliament it will still require "Royal Assent" before it becomes law. We have seen so many twists and turn in this whole saga does anyone think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Boris Johnson would advise the Queen to refuse to grant Royal Assent because it is preventing completing the democratic decision of the British people as represented by the EU Referendum in 2016. It may be over 300 years since a Monarch refused to grant Royal Assent but normal practice is for the Monarch to take the advice of her Government, or her Prime Minister in particular. I can see Boris Johnson giving the Queen such advice.
Loads more twists and turns to come I think.
What an interesting post? It is amazing to think that the Government of the day has no majority and the opposition doesn't want to vote it down!!!!
His tactic seems to be to delay the legislation until after we leave the EU on 31 October. You wouldn't put it past Boris to go on holiday, develop man flu and then say he can't get to the Palace to see the Queen because his limo's MOT has run out Only for everything to get fixed on the 1 November
The fixed term Parliament Act does allow for a new GE "IF" Parliament passes a vote of No Confidence but Comrade Corbyn knows he would NEVER have got those Tory rebels to vote down their Government. The fact that he hasn't moved a vote of no confidence shows he is either running scared of the British Electorate or being faced with being PM and having to deliver Brexit.
The EU Referendum was about "Taking Back Control" from Brussels, maybe the buzz phrase for a GE should be "Take Back Control" from Parliament. Eventually there will be a General Election and we should use that as a means of "Pest Control" and get rid of the rodents who are infesting Parliament.
The Limo MOT Scenario sounds like a "Very Cunning Plan" mind.
Thought can only have snap election if ,3/4 of house agrees it? Thats why corbyn wants no deal taken off table before election as he thinks boris will change date to November enabling uk to just slip out EU? Because corbyn knows he will lose election he wants to appear mr big and have no deal removed 1st.... gutless wonder he was mouthing off wants an election but all of sudden it's not good idea because he will lose without no deal off table.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:49 pm
castleblue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:castleblue wrote:Tony Blue Williams wrote:castleblue wrote:I cannot see anyway that the Government will win the vote to hold a General Election because turkeys don't vote for Christmas and a GE at this time will bring certainly bring Christmas early for many current MP's.
In my opinion yesterdays events in Parliament only go to show how far detached from reality the rodents that currently infest the House Of Commons are from the British people. I believe the vast majority want Brexit over and done with, one way or another, but the rodents have had 3 opportunities to agree to support a "Deal" with the EU but voted it down, now they are seeking to delay leaving the EU for god knows how long. It simply beggers belief.
Comrade Corbyn has been the Chief architect of this chaos in my opinion and his motion calling for Parliament to "Take Control" only goes to show his ignorance of the UK Constitution. Parliament is not the "Sovereign Body" in the UK the real power is "The Crown In Parliament".
Even if this bill passes all it's stages in Parliament it will still require "Royal Assent" before it becomes law. We have seen so many twists and turn in this whole saga does anyone think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Boris Johnson would advise the Queen to refuse to grant Royal Assent because it is preventing completing the democratic decision of the British people as represented by the EU Referendum in 2016. It may be over 300 years since a Monarch refused to grant Royal Assent but normal practice is for the Monarch to take the advice of her Government, or her Prime Minister in particular. I can see Boris Johnson giving the Queen such advice.
Loads more twists and turns to come I think.
What an interesting post? It is amazing to think that the Government of the day has no majority and the opposition doesn't want to vote it down!!!!
His tactic seems to be to delay the legislation until after we leave the EU on 31 October. You wouldn't put it past Boris to go on holiday, develop man flu and then say he can't get to the Palace to see the Queen because his limo's MOT has run out Only for everything to get fixed on the 1 November
The fixed term Parliament Act does allow for a new GE "IF" Parliament passes a vote of No Confidence but Comrade Corbyn knows he would NEVER have got those Tory rebels to vote down their Government. The fact that he hasn't moved a vote of no confidence shows he is either running scared of the British Electorate or being faced with being PM and having to deliver Brexit.
The EU Referendum was about "Taking Back Control" from Brussels, maybe the buzz phrase for a GE should be "Take Back Control" from Parliament. Eventually there will be a General Election and we should use that as a means of "Pest Control" and get rid of the rodents who are infesting Parliament.
The Limo MOT Scenario sounds like a "Very Cunning Plan" mind.
Thought can only have snap election if ,3/4 of house agrees it? Thats why corbyn wants no deal taken off table before election as he thinks boris will change date to November enabling uk to just slip out EU? Because corbyn knows he will lose election he wants to appear mr big and have no deal removed 1st.... gutless wonder he was mouthing off wants an election but all of sudden it's not good idea because he will lose without no deal off table.
There are two reasons which allow for a GE within the fixed term, one is a 2/3 majority in favour the other is a successful motion of no confidence in the Government.
Comrade Corbyn has played politics throughout this whole Brexit farce but he doesn't want a GE because if some miracle happens and he gets to PM he will have to deliver the will of the British people. In my opinion he simply isn't up to it.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:33 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:21 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:08 pm
piledriver64 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:i take it you voted remain thenpiledriver64 wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Gavin wrote:The ironic thing is, it will now be Agent Corbyn who will block a GE so his party doesnt get wiped out by the public....
Said tonight he'll support it as soon as the bill is passed.
Quite right but don't let the facts get in the way of a bit of Corbyn bashing
Boris is an upper class buffoon only out for himself and his upper class chums and I'm not sure Corbyn could lead a class of school kids let alone the country.
However, when it comes to being trustworthy and doing something for the greater good rather than himself I would take Corbyn over Boris everytime.
Let's get the bill passed to ensure Boris can't change the date of the election once it's been set and then see what the country votes for.
Seems pretty simply to me. Boris and his chums for "no deal leave" and everyone else against that.
I think the Tories will get in because the anti-no deal vote will be split across a number of other parties but I don't think anybody would place much money on any outcome at the moment !!
I did but I'm not for another referendum. I think the country voted to leave and we should do so now but WITH A DEAL as that was the only scenario discussed at referendum time. It's even too late to formerly agree on WTO terms before the 31/10/2019 now !!
Thats great and i dont really disagree with you, but how do you get a deal now?
Unfortunately, due to the incompetence of our negotiators, the only way we can do it is to ask for a further extension as has been included in the bill.
Frustrating for all sides of the argument but, in my opinion, the only way we can negotiate an exit and minimise the risk to both us and the EU.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:12 pm
paulh_85 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:troobloo3339 wrote:i take it you voted remain thenpiledriver64 wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Gavin wrote:The ironic thing is, it will now be Agent Corbyn who will block a GE so his party doesnt get wiped out by the public....
Said tonight he'll support it as soon as the bill is passed.
Quite right but don't let the facts get in the way of a bit of Corbyn bashing
Boris is an upper class buffoon only out for himself and his upper class chums and I'm not sure Corbyn could lead a class of school kids let alone the country.
However, when it comes to being trustworthy and doing something for the greater good rather than himself I would take Corbyn over Boris everytime.
Let's get the bill passed to ensure Boris can't change the date of the election once it's been set and then see what the country votes for.
Seems pretty simply to me. Boris and his chums for "no deal leave" and everyone else against that.
I think the Tories will get in because the anti-no deal vote will be split across a number of other parties but I don't think anybody would place much money on any outcome at the moment !!
I did but I'm not for another referendum. I think the country voted to leave and we should do so now but WITH A DEAL as that was the only scenario discussed at referendum time. It's even too late to formerly agree on WTO terms before the 31/10/2019 now !!
Thats great and i dont really disagree with you, but how do you get a deal now?
Unfortunately, due to the incompetence of our negotiators, the only way we can do it is to ask for a further extension as has been included in the bill.
Frustrating for all sides of the argument but, in my opinion, the only way we can negotiate an exit and minimise the risk to both us and the EU.
but you wont get a deal. when the other side know we will just keep extending and extending until we stay forever, why would they do a deal.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:36 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:41 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:48 pm
Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:27 pm
Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:31 pm
Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:37 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Bill passes second reading by 329 votes to 300.
Next vote at around 7pm, after amendments have been selected.
Any possible vote on a General Election will start being debated at around 8.30pm, with a vote to follow.
Plaid Cymru are saying they won't back election. Labour frontbench suggest they will abstain, although that's unclear. SNP now saying they will back an election.
All depends on Labour's position, which seems to have changed several times already today.
Number Ten not keen on having an election past October 17th - meaning this is the chance to vote for it.
There have also been suggestions that if a GE is not backed tonight, then Bercow could block a second vote on it on Friday or Monday.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:00 pm
Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:41 pm
pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Bill passes second reading by 329 votes to 300.
Next vote at around 7pm, after amendments have been selected.
Any possible vote on a General Election will start being debated at around 8.30pm, with a vote to follow.
Plaid Cymru are saying they won't back election. Labour frontbench suggest they will abstain, although that's unclear. SNP now saying they will back an election.
All depends on Labour's position, which seems to have changed several times already today.
Number Ten not keen on having an election past October 17th - meaning this is the chance to vote for it.
There have also been suggestions that if a GE is not backed tonight, then Bercow could block a second vote on it on Friday or Monday.
Bercow as said basically he'll do anything nessasary to get what remain MPs want! Stopping a 2nd vote is certainly not democracy in action it smacks of dictatorial behaviour from someone who is suppose to be impartial?
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:14 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:16 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:50 pm
Brianclark5 wrote:Bring on the election and a victory for the labour manifesto . Can’t be arsed with personality politics !
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:57 pm
Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:45 pm
banana bob wrote:Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
At last someone who talks sense. If anyone thinks that the tubby Bullingdon Boy has any connection with us folk is deluded, in his eyes we are no more than third world peasants.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:49 pm
epping blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Bill passes second reading by 329 votes to 300.
Next vote at around 7pm, after amendments have been selected.
Any possible vote on a General Election will start being debated at around 8.30pm, with a vote to follow.
Plaid Cymru are saying they won't back election. Labour frontbench suggest they will abstain, although that's unclear. SNP now saying they will back an election.
All depends on Labour's position, which seems to have changed several times already today.
Number Ten not keen on having an election past October 17th - meaning this is the chance to vote for it.
There have also been suggestions that if a GE is not backed tonight, then Bercow could block a second vote on it on Friday or Monday.
Bercow as said basically he'll do anything nessasary to get what remain MPs want! Stopping a 2nd vote is certainly not democracy in action it smacks of dictatorial behaviour from someone who is suppose to be impartial?
I hope the tories put someone up against him in the next election.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:51 pm
Andy1927 wrote:Lengee wrote:Can anyone explain why this thread is a sticky.
As usual it is infected by the usual group of extreme right wing posters.
A bit boring to see the same old nonsense regurgitated.
All those with common sense or even half a brain realise that no deal is a ridiculous option. Even the more sensible conservative MPs who have stood by their principles. But posters on here line up behind Boris Johnstone, Gove Duncan Smith and Rees-mogg!!
If I want to read garbage like this I can buy a Daily Mail. So I wont be re opening this thread as I find it very sad that grown men hold such views.
I will stick to footie threads.
It staggers belief that any Welshman could even consider voting Tory after what they've done to us over the years, and like you, the right-wing intimidation and aggression on here frightens me, so time to avoid these political posts and stick to the football ones, me thinks..
Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:56 pm
pembroke allan wrote:epping blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Bill passes second reading by 329 votes to 300.
Next vote at around 7pm, after amendments have been selected.
Any possible vote on a General Election will start being debated at around 8.30pm, with a vote to follow.
Plaid Cymru are saying they won't back election. Labour frontbench suggest they will abstain, although that's unclear. SNP now saying they will back an election.
All depends on Labour's position, which seems to have changed several times already today.
Number Ten not keen on having an election past October 17th - meaning this is the chance to vote for it.
There have also been suggestions that if a GE is not backed tonight, then Bercow could block a second vote on it on Friday or Monday.
Bercow as said basically he'll do anything nessasary to get what remain MPs want! Stopping a 2nd vote is certainly not democracy in action it smacks of dictatorial behaviour from someone who is suppose to be impartial?
I hope the tories put someone up against him in the next election.
Not sure it works that way as surely they would have got rid of him when he declared he was a remainer so not impartial which is supposed to be required for the post?
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:26 pm
epping blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:epping blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Bill passes second reading by 329 votes to 300.
Next vote at around 7pm, after amendments have been selected.
Any possible vote on a General Election will start being debated at around 8.30pm, with a vote to follow.
Plaid Cymru are saying they won't back election. Labour frontbench suggest they will abstain, although that's unclear. SNP now saying they will back an election.
All depends on Labour's position, which seems to have changed several times already today.
Number Ten not keen on having an election past October 17th - meaning this is the chance to vote for it.
There have also been suggestions that if a GE is not backed tonight, then Bercow could block a second vote on it on Friday or Monday.
Bercow as said basically he'll do anything nessasary to get what remain MPs want! Stopping a 2nd vote is certainly not democracy in action it smacks of dictatorial behaviour from someone who is suppose to be impartial?
I hope the tories put someone up against him in the next election.
Not sure it works that way as surely they would have got rid of him when he declared he was a remainer so not impartial which is supposed to be required for the post?
Not easy to get shot of him but there's no rule stating you cant stand against him, its just that the main parties stand aside to let him take the seat. The minor parties nearly always put someone up against him. It was a Tory seat originally when he was elected so no reason why it couldn't be again.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:06 pm
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:13 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:There will be an Election before the end of the month. Find it hard to believe that tonight stops that.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:42 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:There will be an Election before the end of the month. Find it hard to believe that tonight stops that.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:46 pm
epping blue wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:There will be an Election before the end of the month. Find it hard to believe that tonight stops that.
They've got the wind in their sails now. Wouldn't be surprised if they try and push through a 2nd referendum before they go back to the country.
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:30 pm