Guys - IMPORTANT POST! Today or Tomorrow?

What do you care about?

Whats going on today at the club, or are you looking at the wider picture? tomorrow, nex week? next month? or after January?

Yes, Right now great things are happening at our club! Bellamy signing is just unbeleivable! and has brought me the greatest day to watch the city.....

But I for one am backing Annis 100% on this one......

PLAYERS CONTRACTS!

The club is working hard to bring players in, and thats brilliant, but Borley and Co were assigned back months ago to sort out these players contracts.......

IT MUST BE DONE SOON GUYS! or come January we'll have millions of pounds worth of Assets go walking free out the gates of the CCS, on pre contracts and what have you!!

You all say that this is the season we need to go up - WELL WITHOUT THE PLAYERS, we won't be able to. Until the contracts are sorted for the 5,6 or 7 or so players then i'm feeling a little bit worried for tomorrow, although today's feeling great.

Remember the majortiy of Jones signings are season loans, What happens if we can't hang on to them? are there clauses for re-calls to their parent clubs? Mixed with our players who's contracts are coming to an end, then the season finish could be catastrophic if it isnt sorted FAST!

SO GET ON IT BORLEY, JENKINS & CO - GET THE PLAYERS SIGNED UP!

Like I posted earlier (If anyone bothered to look at it) - Borley and Co. Will get it sorted, 100%. There'll be a revolt if we have more of the same out-of-contract players walking out.

They'll get it done when the Transfer Window is over, or when we've finished signing players for the window.

Like I posted earlier (If anyone bothered to look at it) - Borley and Co. Will get it sorted, 100%. There'll be a revolt if we have more of the same out-of-contract players walking out.

They'll get it done when the Transfer Window is over, or when we've finished signing players for the window.

With all due respect Dafydd, signing up our prize assets is more important than bringing in a season long loan! These players are VALUE to our club where as a loan player isnt..... (asset wise)

Borley and Co were assigned to do this a few months back, apart from (injury prone) McNaughton nobody else has been agreed.

I dont want to see another LEDLEY SAGA during this season! It upset the management, the players and more importantly the Fans..... We need to push this and get it sorted quickly....

Can you imagine Bothroyd, Whitts & burke walking for f**k all!!

Yeah I know - I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that yes, they should've done it before the transfer window is opened, but now that it is, they will (hopefully) sign a player or two to bolster the defence, then look at the situation as to who should get renewed contracts. I know they've already done McNaughton, and to be fair the probably could've done more, but I'm confident that it won't be another Ledley saga going on.

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Like I posted earlier (If anyone bothered to look at it) - Borley and Co. Will get it sorted, 100%. There'll be a revolt if we have more of the same out-of-contract players walking out.

They'll get it done when the Transfer Window is over, or when we've finished signing players for the window.

With all due respect Dafydd, signing up our prize assets is more important than bringing in a season long loan! These players are VALUE to our club where as a loan player isnt..... (asset wise)

Borley and Co were assigned to do this a few months back, apart from (injury prone) McNaughton nobody else has been agreed.

I dont want to see another LEDLEY SAGA during this season! It upset the management, the players and more importantly the Fans..... We need to push this and get it sorted quickly....

Can you imagine Bothroyd, Whitts & burke walking for f**k all!!

Don't have a go at Jenkins, Ridsdale should have signed them up with 2 years left on their contracts, now they are all in the driving seat, it's now a game of poker. The players won't be in any desperate rush unless we offer way over the odds, and the club won't want to pay way over the odds because we may want better next season in the premiership ?.

Personally I would imagine Jay especially will follow Ledley and talk it through until the end of the season and see how much cash he can get here or elsewhere in the premiership.

Leave it to TG everyone says he is such a good businessman and knows everything about the club, he will arrange for it to be done if we can, but it's not up to us anymore!

I think that it is vital that at the current time and for the next week or so, until the transfer window closes, that all efforts are put in to strengthening our squad and to be fair they haven't done a bad job on that to date, hopefully, with more to come.

Immediately, the transfer window closes or before that if all the squad strengthening is complete, then every effort must be put into securing the future of the likes of Jay and others. For their signatures not to be secured before the end of September 2010 would be both disappointing and extremely reckless, given what happened with Ledley.

It cannot be allowed to happen again.

Like I posted earlier (If anyone bothered to look at it) - Borley and Co. Will get it sorted, 100%. There'll be a revolt if we have more of the same out-of-contract players walking out.

They'll get it done when the Transfer Window is over, or when we've finished signing players for the window.

With all due respect Dafydd, signing up our prize assets is more important than bringing in a season long loan! These players are VALUE to our club where as a loan player isnt..... (asset wise)

Borley and Co were assigned to do this a few months back, apart from (injury prone) McNaughton nobody else has been agreed.

I dont want to see another LEDLEY SAGA during this season! It upset the management, the players and more importantly the Fans..... We need to push this and get it sorted quickly....

Can you imagine Bothroyd, Whitts & burke walking for f**k all!!

Don't have a go at Jenkins, Ridsdale should have signed them up with 2 years left on their contracts, now they are all in the driving seat, it's now a game of poker. The players won't be in any desperate rush unless we offer way over the odds, and the club won't want to pay way over the odds because we may want better next season in the premiership ?.

Personally I would imagine Jay especially will follow Ledley and talk it through until the end of the season and see how much cash he can get here or elsewhere in the premiership.

Leave it to TG everyone says he is such a good businessman and knows everything about the club, he will arrange for it to be done if we can, but it's not up to us anymore!

Pretty hard to get players signed up again with 2 yrs left on a contract especially when they originally signed on a 3 yr deal ?

I'm not having a go at anyone, but there is enough personnel working down that club to get all these jobs done at the same time.

Thank you for your view, all I wanted to see was people opinions and views. I just think that with such a great start for the club on and off the field, it would be a nightmare to watch it all drift away come the end of January ?

Am I mis-remembering or have the club previously stated their first priority was to sign players during this transfer window & once that was taken care off they would look at sorting out renewing contracts for exisitng players. Obviously, this isn't totally black and white otherwise Kev wouldn't have renewed, but this seems to be their priority.

Seems sensible to me, the current players weren't good enough to get promoted last year, so without new players we were going nowhere.
If the fact that you offer a contract to a player a couple of weeks after the season starts, is enough for that player to exercise his right to talk to other clubs, then you have to question how much he wants to stay with us anyway. If you don't want to stay with the club as it stansds at the moment, then I don't know what else the club can do.

Am I mis-remembering or have the club previously stated their first priority was to sign players during this transfer window & once that was taken care off they would look at sorting out renewing contracts for exisitng players. Obviously, this isn't totally black and white otherwise Kev wouldn't have renewed, but this seems to be their priority.

Seems sensible to me, the current players weren't good enough to get promoted last year, so without new players we were going nowhere.
If the fact that you offer a contract to a player a couple of weeks after the season starts, is enough for that player to exercise his right to talk to other clubs, then you have to question how much he wants to stay with us anyway. If you don't want to stay with the club as it stansds at the moment, then I don't know what else the club can do.

In May and June, They stated they were starting on them then.

Am I mis-remembering or have the club previously stated their first priority was to sign players during this transfer window & once that was taken care off they would look at sorting out renewing contracts for exisitng players. Obviously, this isn't totally black and white otherwise Kev wouldn't have renewed, but this seems to be their priority.

Seems sensible to me, the current players weren't good enough to get promoted last year, so without new players we were going nowhere.
If the fact that you offer a contract to a player a couple of weeks after the season starts, is enough for that player to exercise his right to talk to other clubs, then you have to question how much he wants to stay with us anyway. If you don't want to stay with the club as it stansds at the moment, then I don't know what else the club can do.

When the press and media are stating that the likes of Stoke, Birmingham and Aston Villa are already vultures flying above the skies of the CCS then surely some things take a priority?

Am i mis-remembering that sometimes what the club states doesnt always happen.....

Dont get me wrong, I'm loving being a Cardiff fan right now, but I like to look at the bigger picture as well. I understand what you are saying about questioning a players loyalty to their club, but football is also a business as well as a passionate sport. The players remaining here, and commiting sooner can only help with the commercial side of the club as well, including shirt sales, merchandise etc...... If my boy couldn't have Whitts or Bothroyd on the back of his top after xmas, due to some club blunder he'll be davastated!

I am sure the Malaysians have a short term, medium term and long term plan. They are currently working on the short term issues i.e stabilising the club financially while building a squad strong enough to challenge for promotion this season, they simply cannot do al three or they would be running around like headless chickens. The transfer window is a very busy time for the club, bringing players in shipping some out, all the pre season training and all with new owners and a new chief exec you cant really expect them to shit miracles. However once this transfer window is over I am sure the Malaysians will be dealing with the PMG, Michael Isaacs and Langstone debt, while Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins can then concentrate on renewing contracts for some of the players. Those players that are not on board will be shipped out in January but I suspect not only the fans have bought into the dream but the players also. Do you really think the players would have been so committed and showing such a togetherness last saturday and prior if all they were looking for was a transfer out? of course not!!!. stop panicking everyone, I think the people at the top are doing a wonderful job.

Gethin said that the contracts will be sorted after the window closes which happens on the 31st of August. Gethin has done nothing to me so I trust him and the board 100%.

I am sure the Malaysians have a short term, medium term and long term plan. They are currently working on the short term issues i.e stabilising the club financially while building a squad strong enough to challenge for promotion this season, they simply cannot do al three or they would be running around like headless chickens. The transfer window is a very busy time for the club, bringing players in shipping some out, all the pre season training and all with new owners and a new chief exec you cant really expect them to shit miracles. However once this transfer window is over I am sure the Malaysians will be dealing with the PMG, Michael Isaacs and Langstone debt, while Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins can then concentrate on renewing contracts for some of the players. Those players that are not on board will be shipped out in January but I suspect not only the fans have bought into the dream but the players also. Do you really think the players would have been so committed and showing such a togetherness last saturday and prior if all they were looking for was a transfer out? of course not!!!. stop panicking everyone, I think the people at the top are doing a wonderful job.

you said it in your own post above. I believe to stabalise a club financially you MUST at all costs secure you most valuable Assets - The Players, and I say ASAP!

Gethin said that the contracts will be sorted after the window closes which happens on the 31st of August. Gethin has done nothing to me so I trust him and the board 100%.

Nathan, He said in June he was Sitting down with them then .

Gethin said that the contracts will be sorted after the window closes which happens on the 31st of August. Gethin has done nothing to me so I trust him and the board 100%.

Nathan, He said in June he was Sitting down with them then .

But from what I recall Annis, He was specifically talking about Peter Whittingham and Kev. This offer that Gethin was talking about was then rejected by Peter but accepted by McNaughton. Then Gethin came out and said we will resume negotiations with players at the start of september after the transfer window.
Lets just wait and see

I am sure the Malaysians have a short term, medium term and long term plan. They are currently working on the short term issues i.e stabilising the club financially while building a squad strong enough to challenge for promotion this season, they simply cannot do al three or they would be running around like headless chickens. The transfer window is a very busy time for the club, bringing players in shipping some out, all the pre season training and all with new owners and a new chief exec you cant really expect them to shit miracles. However once this transfer window is over I am sure the Malaysians will be dealing with the PMG, Michael Isaacs and Langstone debt, while Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins can then concentrate on renewing contracts for some of the players. Those players that are not on board will be shipped out in January but I suspect not only the fans have bought into the dream but the players also. Do you really think the players would have been so committed and showing such a togetherness last saturday and prior if all they were looking for was a transfer out? of course not!!!. stop panicking everyone, I think the people at the top are doing a wonderful job.

you said it in your own post above. I believe to stabalise a club financially you MUST at all costs secure you most valuable Assets - The Players, and I say ASAP!

I also said that the people at the top cant shit miracles. At this moment in time they are dealing with getting players in. That simply does not happen with a wave of a wand, there are financial issues still ongoing which they also have to deal with. The powers that be made a decision to put a hold on contract negotiations while they deal with more pressing issues. I for one trust the Malaysians they have so far lived up to all their promises and I have no reason to doubt them now. Contract negotiation will begin on September 1st. It could be worse you know, we could be in administration or even totally out of business if the Malaysians failed to live up to expectations. Everyone needs to calm down and let them deal with all the issues in their own time as planned. They have a plan leave them to implement it please. All this is doing is rocking the boat at a time when the club needs all the support of it's fans.

I am sure the Malaysians have a short term, medium term and long term plan. They are currently working on the short term issues i.e stabilising the club financially while building a squad strong enough to challenge for promotion this season, they simply cannot do al three or they would be running around like headless chickens. The transfer window is a very busy time for the club, bringing players in shipping some out, all the pre season training and all with new owners and a new chief exec you cant really expect them to shit miracles. However once this transfer window is over I am sure the Malaysians will be dealing with the PMG, Michael Isaacs and Langstone debt, while Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins can then concentrate on renewing contracts for some of the players. Those players that are not on board will be shipped out in January but I suspect not only the fans have bought into the dream but the players also. Do you really think the players would have been so committed and showing such a togetherness last saturday and prior if all they were looking for was a transfer out? of course not!!!. stop panicking everyone, I think the people at the top are doing a wonderful job.

you said it in your own post above. I believe to stabalise a club financially you MUST at all costs secure you most valuable Assets - The Players, and I say ASAP!

I also said that the people at the top cant shit miracles. At this moment in time they are dealing with getting players in. That simply does not happen with a wave of a wand, there are financial issues still ongoing which they also have to deal with. The powers that be made a decision to put a hold on contract negotiations while they deal with more pressing issues. I for one trust the Malaysians they have so far lived up to all their promises and I have no reason to doubt them now. Contract negotiation will begin on September 1st. It could be worse you know, we could be in administration or even totally out of business if the Malaysians failed to live up to expectations. Everyone needs to calm down and let them deal with all the issues in their own time as planned. They have a plan leave them to implement it please. All this is doing is rocking the boat at a time when the club needs all the support of it's fans.

It is my opinion that Gethin Jenkins - doesnt really have a big say as to who comes into the club in repsect of playing personnel - I believe people higher up are pulling the strings on this front.

Nobody can shit miracles, but you'd expect the staff to be organised as to deal with their part of their working assignments within the club. you dont have one person bringing in players/negotiating/transfer dealings/working on contracts/liasing with malaysians thousands of miles away etc etc ..

We are not in administration so hindsight is something we should avoid. we are talking about the now and current.

They have a plan? maybe - but how do you know that, and also my post on a message board will do nothing to interfere with it as you suggest!

This is not an attack on anyone, nor do i want to rock the boat as you would call it! as i have said many times, I am a loyal CCFC season ticket holder - simply asking for your views and opinions.

I do however appreciate your valid and mature response, thank you.

Well footy is all about opinions and all I can say is I am very happy with the things that are going at our club at the moment. Yes things can be done better, of course they can but TG,VT and Gethin Jenkins are not football men and are having to learn as they go on. They took a decision to postpone contract negotiations until September 1st and it seems Dave Jones supports them in that decision, he hasn't complained about it. They are the ones working in the boiler room and I doubt it was a decision they took lightly. Gethin Jenkins is being paid to do a job, if he fails then he will be up the road but I chose to support him at this time and I hope for the good of our club the decision made to postpone contract negotiations is a successful one. The question I ask myself is what would have happened in the transfer market if our chief exec, Dave Jones and others chose to use much of their time negotiating contracts of current players. Would we then have signed Bellamy? Would we then have signed Koumas? Would we then have signed Olifinjana? would we then have signed Naylor? would we then have signed Drinkwater? would we then have signed Heaton? would we now be negotiating with other clubs and agents to bring in yet more players and maybe sell others or loan them out? I don't know the answer to that for sure. Maybe thats a question that should be asked of Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins. I suspect I may know what the answer may be though

Well footy is all about opinions and all I can say is I am very happy with the things that are going at our club at the moment. Yes things can be done better, of course they can but TG,VT and Gethin Jenkins are not football men and are having to learn as they go on. They took a decision to postpone contract negotiations until September 1st and it seems Dave Jones supports them in that decision, he hasn't complained about it. They are the ones working in the boiler room and I doubt it was a decision they took lightly. Gethin Jenkins is being paid to do a job, if he fails then he will be up the road but I chose to support him at this time and I hope for the good of our club the decision made to postpone contract negotiations is a successful one. The question I ask myself is what would have happened in the transfer market if our chief exec, Dave Jones and others chose to use much of their time negotiating contracts of current players. Would we then have signed Bellamy? Would we then have signed Koumas? Would we then have signed Olifinjana? would we then have signed Naylor? would we then have signed Drinkwater? would we then have signed Heaton? would we now be negotiating with other clubs and agents to bring in yet more players and maybe sell others or loan them out? I don't know the answer to that for sure. Maybe thats a question that should be asked of Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins. I suspect I may know what the answer may be though

appreciate your input - but certain players (especially when being touted by greedy agents) should be dealt with promptly as the matter arrives, especially those carrying the greatest profits for a business. thanks.

well said totaly agree wiyh you

Question? why were all these players not tied down to contracts last season?

i was responding 2 ihatealliens

Question? why were all these players not tied down to contracts last season?

Because that hopeless idiot Riddler was too busy robbing the coffers at the club to care about contracts! HENCE LEDLEY!

Do we need players on long term contracts, if we are successful this season, and need to change personnel for the premiership the thinking in football is they can get better foreign/overseas players cheaper and then the club have players with long contracts find them hard to unload, equally if we fail[ as nothing is guaranteed in football] do we want players that we cannot afford, the players and manager,would have failed for 3 years and their transfer fee would plummet. So far the current management team are doing pretty good, and are looking at the long term, for our club, do we need the money to sign Bellamy at the end of the season and maybe a couple of other loan signing that we have or maybe comming in, if we go up, this is just my opinion i do not really know as i have no inside info on anything, other than football is going into financial meltdown with agents fees and players wages and the cost of going to football.

Without reading through this, it's been well documented that certain players didn't want to commit until they saw things happening with regards to getting players in etc.

They wanted to see commitment from the top men before commiting themselves. That's been happening and I would fully expect to read about new contracts being signed through September and October.

I'm sure the club is thinking about all of these things.

Surely the club are doing it in the right order. Signing up new/loan players is a statement of intent and, as a result of the last few weeks they are strengthening their position and the players considering their futures can only be impressed.

It was said earlier that this was a situation that the present board inherited. Like it or not that is absolutely correct. Clubs, nowadays, look tie players to contracts well before the last 12 months because players are then in the driving seat.

I'm sure that negotiations will start in September and for some of those players it will be a decision that will be based on how confident they are that this team will get promoted, that position has improved over the last few weeks and therefore I think we have to stick with the current regime and stop looking to put pressure on them when they've done very little wrong lately

Great debate

Well DJ before when talking about Witts that he wanted to see what the future holds for the club, I think players like WItts and Jay are a lot more likely to sign new deals after the loans of Bellamy, Olly, Koumas and co than before when the future looked bleak (wasnt long ago ). It all feels like a game of chess at the moment with the club but I do have faith in TG and co to sort things the best way they think they can, they may not always be right and im sure mistakes will be made but I have faith they are doing things how they think is right and so far its working (I think) lol .