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“ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:31 pm

Cardiff City manager job between these two candidates as decision imminent

The Bluebirds are looking to appoint Neil Warnock's successor in the next three days

TUESDAY 12 NOV 2019

By Glen Williams


The Bluebirds are looking to appoint Neil Warnock's successor in the next three days

Cardiff City have narrowed down the candidates for Neil Warnock's successor to Neil Harris and Lee Bowyer.



We understand that the club have whittled down a longlist of candidates to just two names and are hoping to appoint Warnock's replacement within the next 72 hours. You can follow live updates here .

Warnock handed in his resignation following the 1-0 Severnside derby defeat on Sunday and has wished the next manager every success in the job.

While a number of popular candidates have been touted since Warnock's departure, Chris Hughton and Craig Bellamy among them, we can reveal that Harris and Bowyer are the only two people in serious contention for the job.

Harris earned plaudits for his work as Millwall manager, lifting the Lions to the Championship from League One during his time there. He also steered Millwall to the FA Cup quarter-finals in 2016/17.

The 42-year-old has been out of a job since leaving The Den last month.

Bowyer, meanwhile, has seen his reputation shoot through the roof at Charlton in recent seasons and as such he is another leading contender to take the job.


Bowyer, also 42, led Charlton into the Championship last season and is thought to be one of the brightest British managers in the game.

Bluebirds chairman Mehmet Dalman has also revealed that owner Vincent Tan will have a more hands-on approach in this appointment, with the club seeking a younger, more offensive style of manager.




DALMAN:

"We want a manager that can have 35 shots in every game," Dalman told BBC Radio Wales.

"I think (the owner) Vincent Tan wants to take a more hands-on involvement with the next manager with I think is right, after all he's the owner of the club. I think he wants someone younger with a more offensive type of manager.

"The process is ongoing on at the moment, we're down to a very small number of names.

"I'll be very surprised if we don't announce something within the next 72 hours, certainly by the weekend."

It has been an underwhelming start to the season for the Bluebirds and whoever takes the job will have a task on their hands to propel them up the table.

They currently sit 14th in the Championship table, seven points off the play-off spots.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:35 pm

Bowyer out of those two :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Although Jim White at Talksport was saying they think it's Harris?

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:44 pm

Bluebina wrote:Bowyer out of those two :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Although Jim White at Talksport was saying they think it's Harris?


I'd true think it's time Dalman left. Awful choice but then he picked Ole as well.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:04 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Bowyer out of those two :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Although Jim White at Talksport was saying they think it's Harris?


I'd true think it's time Dalman left. Awful choice but then he picked Ole as well.



trouble with that is who replaces him ?
I do think the board are well meaning...but

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:25 pm

As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:30 pm

theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.


Is he in a weekly contract or something?

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:09 pm

theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:07 pm

Surely that rules Neil Harris out then? In what universe does Neil Harris play Offensive, attacking football where his teams have 35 shots a game :lol: If Harris does get the job then Tan's in for a big shock when he sees the style of football. That quote would tell me that Bowyer would be the better choice or perhaps they'll make a left field appointment that hasn't been mentioned.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:30 pm

I'd prefer bowyer if it is out of him and Harris,but am feeling a little apprehensive if I'm honest, anyway whoever gets the job needs our full support from the start,neil was lucky in the fact he was accepted very quickly,due to his fantastic record no doubt. :bluescarf: :old: :bluebird:

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:43 pm

Hi folks any thoughts on osian Roberts just a thought

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:56 pm

No one out there available of any good to take this club forward with all the behind the scenes issues - will end up going backwards again : Have the club had a press conference stating their future plans ?

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:00 pm

All speculation, no one knows including the OP. That's the way it should be, let's wait and see what happens.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:53 pm

dogfound wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Bowyer out of those two :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Although Jim White at Talksport was saying they think it's Harris?


I'd true think it's time Dalman left. Awful choice but then he picked Ole as well.



trouble with that is who replaces him ?
I do think the board are well meaning...but


I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure there would be a few applications..

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:07 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
dogfound wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Bowyer out of those two :thumbup: :ayatollah:

Although Jim White at Talksport was saying they think it's Harris?


I'd true think it's time Dalman left. Awful choice but then he picked Ole as well.



trouble with that is who replaces him ?
I do think the board are well meaning...but


I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure there would be a few applications..



my point was that Dalman seems to be the guy behind those sort of appointments.
so who would pick out of the applicants ?
we don't seem to have experienced football people around the club..

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:11 pm

my choice would be Carl Robinson former manager of Vancouver Whitecaps, he did a good job there reaching the playoff on three occasions in four seasons, with a very small budget compared to other teams in the MLS.
He was also on the short list for the Wales job and turned down the offer of being manager of Costa Rica.

He is said to be in Europe at the present time looking at youngsters for when he gets his next job

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:49 pm

rontom wrote:my choice would be Carl Robinson former manager of Vancouver Whitecaps, he did a good job there reaching the playoff on three occasions in four seasons, with a very small budget compared to other teams in the MLS.
He was also on the short list for the Wales job and turned down the offer of being manager of Costa Rica.

He is said to be in Europe at the present time looking at youngsters for when he gets his next job


What about the Karl Robinson who is at Oxford ???

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:08 pm

dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:25 pm

Wasn’t Dalman linked with buying Charlton a couple of months ago? If so, that might explain a close relationship with Bowyer who he presumably spoke to then.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Calzaghes trainset wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!

Yes, in as much as there was no compensation to pay...as in the appointment of Neil Warnock ;)

You can be as "tired" as you want, the simple fact is this club (often to their credit) will spend its money in a direct rather than indirect fashion. This has (on occasion) cost us regarding transfers because of Agents fees, etc., so I don't expect too much difference when out comes to paying another club compensation when there's a 'cheaper' option out there

Surely the wages on offer won't be massively different between those two? :?

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:47 pm

Llantwit fardre blue wrote:Hi folks any thoughts on osian Roberts just a thought


Alright osian?

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:50 pm

Calzaghes trainset wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!




well he had only been employed for 8 months in the 3 years prior to joining us. had been interviews but failed to get a couple of jobs. and was desperate to try to get another promotion and his last club had been Rotherham . might be wrong but I don't think it was top dollar
but as Sven says no compensation to pay either.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:00 pm

dogfound wrote:
Calzaghes trainset wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!




well he had only been employed for 8 months in the 3 years prior to joining us. had been interviews but failed to get a couple of jobs. and was desperate to try to get another promotion and his last club had been Rotherham . might be wrong but I don't think it was top dollar
but as Sven says no compensation to pay either.


Also stated publicly that he knew his worth so doubt he was very cheap at all.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:07 pm

Calzaghes trainset wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Calzaghes trainset wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!




well he had only been employed for 8 months in the 3 years prior to joining us. had been interviews but failed to get a couple of jobs. and was desperate to try to get another promotion and his last club had been Rotherham . might be wrong but I don't think it was top dollar
but as Sven says no compensation to pay either.


Also stated publicly that he knew his worth so doubt he was very cheap at all.



massive fan of Neil and gutted doesn't begin to cover how I feel about him leaving, but I always took a lot of what he said with a big pinch of salt....retire at end of year, I really don't see it...don't want to manage in prem but did. always underdogs when we were not.. I doubt Rotherham paid him a wage in line with a top championship manager..

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:19 pm

dogfound wrote:
Calzaghes trainset wrote:
dogfound wrote:
Calzaghes trainset wrote:
Sven wrote:
dogfound wrote:
theclaw wrote:As Bowyer is still a manager how are we not “tapping him up” as so to speak.



must have asked permission ?
or maybe he has it in his contract.. if I remember correctly there was a question on whether he would be there at all this season and eventually signed short term ? maybe with a release clause

My only thoughts are that surely this would have 'leaked out' from the Charlton Athletic end by now? :?

That said, Bowyer would be my preferred choice of the two and I just don't see what 'Arris has to offer the club IF it wants to progress this season and beyond? :?

At least Bowyer would bring some excitement!

Hopefully proved wrong but the City (nee Vincent Tan) I know will likely take the cheaper option ('Arris) rather than the more dynamic one (Bowyer) assuming it is actually to be one of those ;)


Was warnock the cheaper option?

This cheaper option talk is starting to frustrate me!




well he had only been employed for 8 months in the 3 years prior to joining us. had been interviews but failed to get a couple of jobs. and was desperate to try to get another promotion and his last club had been Rotherham . might be wrong but I don't think it was top dollar
but as Sven says no compensation to pay either.


Also stated publicly that he knew his worth so doubt he was very cheap at all.



massive fan of Neil and gutted doesn't begin to cover how I feel about him leaving, but I always took a lot of what he said with a big pinch of salt....retire at end of year, I really don't see it...don't want to manage in prem but did. always underdogs when we were not.. I doubt Rotherham paid him a wage in line with a top championship manager..


He was on £15k a week at qpr in 2010. So I would be shocked if he was on less than £20k at Cardiff.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:23 pm

From what I've read Bowyer seems to be on a week to week contract. If so, there would be very little if any compensation.
If the talk of Harris is true, then we will be no better than sticking with Warnock.
I would personally go for Hughton or 2nd choice Bowyer but everyone has their own opinions on the matter.

Re: “ Cardiff City are down to two Candidates “

Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:34 pm

I got this from my friend, who is a Millwall supporter and knowledgeable about Harris:

I was very surprised to hear Harris was in the running at Cardiff. He is a solid but ultimately uninspired manager. He brought us back up from Div One quickly and we had one unexpectedly good year, but sold a key player and were struggling when he left. I don't know the real story behind his departure, but suspect he left before he was pushed, and is probably the sort of character who did not want to force them to fire him. He basically did quite well with very little money, but you always felt it was a slog. Our new man, three or four games in, has not changed much but has them playing more freely, more creatively, and I suspect this is the problem with Harris - solid, but lacks that real spark.
Despite my reservations about what I heard on his financial dealings, it was hard to criticise Warnock for what he achieved with a thin squad at Cardiff, and it was a surprise to see him fired. Unless the owners put more money in, you might struggle. Bowyer has less of a record than Harris, but looks to me like a more ambitious candidate - but another (from what was going on at Charlton) who might be picked because he has a fair record without much money to spend.