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" CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:15 pm

BBC


Derby County have been charged by the English Football League for a breach of spending rules and now face a possible points deduction.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:20 pm

What happened to Keogh after?

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:28 pm

maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:35 pm

Villa will also be in trouble if relegated back to the Championship. I think Bournemouth too have something hanging over them from their promotion year.

Makes you glad that our club is run properly of the FFP stuff, even if some people think we should spend more on players

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:39 pm

Selling their stadium has not helped in fact it's made situation for club worse in long term...

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:52 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Selling their stadium has not helped in fact it's made situation for club worse in long term...

Also they are under investigation regarding the sale of stadium as it was on books as worth 41m but was sold for 80m to owner (norty boy) :o

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:08 pm

Snow chickens coming home to roost? Reap what you sow good enough for the cheating so and sos.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:14 pm

30 point deduction. End of. Arrest the deceitful.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm

Surprise surprise

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm

They might get lucky and the hearing could get postponed indefinitely by snow

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:33 pm

Fancy changing my post I posted at 4pm :lol:

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:34 pm

Forever Blue wrote:They might get lucky and the hearing could get postponed indefinitely by snow



Nah enquiry wont be at baseball ground weather as dodgy as the clubs finances! :lol:

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm

I’ve always wondered how they got away for it for so long.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:16 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:49 pm

maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:45 pm

Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...


But he was taking it further I thought.

Although I did read somewhere it was in his contract that they would be entitled to get shot of him.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:52 pm

maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...


But he was taking it further I thought.

Although I did read somewhere it was in his contract that they would be entitled to get shot of him.



If the last part is true, then he doesn't have a leg to stand kn (pardon the pun ;) ) :old: :bluebird:

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:20 am

maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...


But he was taking it further I thought.

Although I did read somewhere it was in his contract that they would be entitled to get shot of him.



it will go to court mate. he turned down the reduced contract on legal advice..

I don't see how you can not sack to convicted drink drivers but sack the fella they abandoned unconscious in the car ?

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:27 am

Club captain so more is expected of him.

FOR SALE... ONE SNOW MACHINE.. ONE OWNER.. HARDLY USED.. PLEASE CONTACT DERBY COUNTY FOOTBALL CLUB. :D



Sven...Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:
You may have to explain this to one or two... :old:

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:51 am

JulesK wrote:Club captain so more is expected of him.

FOR SALE... ONE SNOW MACHINE.. ONE OWNER.. HARDLY USED.. PLEASE CONTACT DERBY COUNTY FOOTBALL CLUB. :D



Sven...Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:
You may have to explain this to one or two... :old:



yes I know he was club captain and their chairmans view is more is expected..
don't think that's gonna wash in court though.. you cant be treating people who have done worse better ?

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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:20 am

dogfound wrote:
JulesK wrote:Club captain so more is expected of him.

FOR SALE... ONE SNOW MACHINE.. ONE OWNER.. HARDLY USED.. PLEASE CONTACT DERBY COUNTY FOOTBALL CLUB. :D



Sven...Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:
You may have to explain this to one or two... :old:



yes I know he was club captain and their chairmans view is more is expected..
don't think that's gonna wash in court though.. you cant be treating people who have done worse better ?


It would all depend on the terms and conditions of the individual contracts. I can't believe for one minute there was not a clause to terminate his contract should his conduct outside work bring the club into disrepute. His actions had a direct affect on Derby County as due to his own negligence he suffered a long term injury to his knee and the circumstances surrounding how it happened reflected badly on the club as he was Captain.

The other players involved whilst being just as guilty didn't injure themselves in the same way and were able to continue to play for the club, thus reducing the impact on their working time with the club.

It may seem harsh but I can perfectly see Derby County's point of view and I believe they would have a strong case in court.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:48 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
dogfound wrote:
JulesK wrote:Club captain so more is expected of him.

FOR SALE... ONE SNOW MACHINE.. ONE OWNER.. HARDLY USED.. PLEASE CONTACT DERBY COUNTY FOOTBALL CLUB. :D



Sven...Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:
You may have to explain this to one or two... :old:



yes I know he was club captain and their chairmans view is more is expected..
don't think that's gonna wash in court though.. you cant be treating people who have done worse better ?


It would all depend on the terms and conditions of the individual contracts. I can't believe for one minute there was not a clause to terminate his contract should his conduct outside work bring the club into disrepute. His actions had a direct affect on Derby County as due to his own negligence he suffered a long term injury to his knee and the circumstances surrounding how it happened reflected badly on the club as he was Captain.

The other players involved whilst being just as guilty didn't injure themselves in the same way and were able to continue to play for the club, thus reducing the impact on their working time with the club.

It may seem harsh but I can perfectly see Derby County's point of view and I believe they would have a strong case in court.



as I understand it he turned down the reduced wages offer on advice given him by the PFA.
but sorry I do not see the did not injure themselves bit , they crashed while drunk seriously injuring a passenger and its the passenger in the back seat getting sacked ? not because he was captain ,not for what he did or even for having an injury { because they did not initially sack him } but because of the extent of the injury . that cant be right..

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:07 pm

dogfound wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...


But he was taking it further I thought.

Although I did read somewhere it was in his contract that they would be entitled to get shot of him.



it will go to court mate. he turned down the reduced contract on legal advice..

I don't see how you can not sack to convicted drink drivers but sack the fella they abandoned unconscious in the car ?


I think it’s about the fact he can’t play due to reckless or negligent endeavour on his part. That in, getting in a car with drink drivers. The legal part is whether it counts as reckless or negligent endeavour. He will also quite rightly point to the person driving the car being a player who wasn’t sacked.

However they were different things entirely.

Certainly the club’s insurance would not pay anything towards his wages due to the circumstances of the crash.

Re: " CHAMPIONSHIP SIDE FACE POINTS DEDUCTION "

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:23 pm

maccydee wrote:
dogfound wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Sven wrote:
maccydee wrote:What happened to Keogh after?

Last seen heading out into the snow saying "I may be some time...!" ;) :laughing6:

On a more serious note, he is still recovering from the knee injury suffered in the road traffic collision that saw Mason Bennett and Tom Laurence banned for 2 years for a drink driving incident

Derby offered him reduced terms, which he declined under the terms of his contract, so they sacked him instead and he remains clubless


Wasn’t he appealing that?

Neil, according to reports his appeal was rejected by Derby County...


But he was taking it further I thought.

Although I did read somewhere it was in his contract that they would be entitled to get shot of him.



it will go to court mate. he turned down the reduced contract on legal advice..

I don't see how you can not sack to convicted drink drivers but sack the fella they abandoned unconscious in the car ?


I think it’s about the fact he can’t play due to reckless or negligent endeavour on his part. That in, getting in a car with drink drivers. The legal part is whether it counts as reckless or negligent endeavour. He will also quite rightly point to the person driving the car being a player who wasn’t sacked.

However they were different things entirely.

Certainly the club’s insurance would not pay anything towards his wages due to the circumstances of the crash.



I do understand Derbys point... truth is all 3 should be sacked..
they have however decided to pick and choose with the least responsible getting sacked { to my knowledge he was not charged with being a drunk passenger }
Derby have based their decisions on usefulness to them not on wrong doing. if it had been wrong doing there wouldnt be any offer of reduced wages

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Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:20 pm

Derby say efl action is unlawful and its they who have caused the problem with errors in way they dealt with derbys accounts..