Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:09 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:snoopystorm wrote:So the question now is.....
Where the hell has the £100mill parachute payment and tv income gone?? There is absolutely no way our clubs wage bill is that high
The season we went up we lost 38 million ,last season our wage bill was 60million
Just saw article and it's a very odd statement to make unless it's out of context and something was said before "we dont have the money " not sure how true that is but strange in any case considering he was suppose to be putting across clubs side of the story to counter bad publicity by press? Hes only added to that equation odd very odd n:roll:
I read a similar article a couple of weeks back where Dalman said it could bankrupt the club..
What is apparent is people at club need to have media lessons like footballers do so that they dont say things that are misconstrued... both the statements lack clarity and can be misinterpreted if people so desire! Dont believe for one minute we dont have the money
Or we'll go bankrupt but thats how both statements sounded like very poor indeed.
Yes I suppose Dalman isn’t exactly going to say “We have the money ready, just in case we have to pay”
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:15 pm
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:22 pm
valleyrambill wrote:Don't think you are reading it right , what he saying we have not got the money to throw away to a bunch of crooks .
Even if we had loads of money he wouldn't have paid it
And I totally agree Nantes and Mackay are bent and all they are interested in was the money and still is they didn't care about the poor kid just the money and they were so keen to get rid of him they couldn't wait for the flight Cardiff City had arranged
and put on a plane that was not fit and a pilot who was not fit .
I fully support Cardiff on this something is totally wrong in all this not just the money I feel someone should be put in prison Mackay for 1
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:27 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:snoopystorm wrote:So the question now is.....
Where the hell has the £100mill parachute payment and tv income gone?? There is absolutely no way our clubs wage bill is that high
The season we went up we lost 38 million ,last season our wage bill was 60million
Just saw article and it's a very odd statement to make unless it's out of context and something was said before "we dont have the money " not sure how true that is but strange in any case considering he was suppose to be putting across clubs side of the story to counter bad publicity by press? Hes only added to that equation odd very odd n:roll:
I read a similar article a couple of weeks back where Dalman said it could bankrupt the club..
What is apparent is people at club need to have media lessons like footballers do so that they dont say things that are misconstrued... both the statements lack clarity and can be misinterpreted if people so desire! Dont believe for one minute we dont have the money
Or we'll go bankrupt but thats how both statements sounded like very poor indeed.
Yes I suppose Dalman isn’t exactly going to say “We have the money ready, just in case we have to pay”
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:43 pm
dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:snoopystorm wrote:So the question now is.....
Where the hell has the £100mill parachute payment and tv income gone?? There is absolutely no way our clubs wage bill is that high
The season we went up we lost 38 million ,last season our wage bill was 60million
Just saw article and it's a very odd statement to make unless it's out of context and something was said before "we dont have the money " not sure how true that is but strange in any case considering he was suppose to be putting across clubs side of the story to counter bad publicity by press? Hes only added to that equation odd very odd n:roll:
I read a similar article a couple of weeks back where Dalman said it could bankrupt the club..
What is apparent is people at club need to have media lessons like footballers do so that they dont say things that are misconstrued... both the statements lack clarity and can be misinterpreted if people so desire! Dont believe for one minute we dont have the money
Or we'll go bankrupt but thats how both statements sounded like very poor indeed.
Yes I suppose Dalman isn’t exactly going to say “We have the money ready, just in case we have to pay”
the trouble is , he has said many times we will pay .
Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:48 pm
dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:snoopystorm wrote:So the question now is.....
Where the hell has the £100mill parachute payment and tv income gone?? There is absolutely no way our clubs wage bill is that high
The season we went up we lost 38 million ,last season our wage bill was 60million
Just saw article and it's a very odd statement to make unless it's out of context and something was said before "we dont have the money " not sure how true that is but strange in any case considering he was suppose to be putting across clubs side of the story to counter bad publicity by press? Hes only added to that equation odd very odd n:roll:
I read a similar article a couple of weeks back where Dalman said it could bankrupt the club..
What is apparent is people at club need to have media lessons like footballers do so that they dont say things that are misconstrued... both the statements lack clarity and can be misinterpreted if people so desire! Dont believe for one minute we dont have the money
Or we'll go bankrupt but thats how both statements sounded like very poor indeed.
Yes I suppose Dalman isn’t exactly going to say “We have the money ready, just in case we have to pay”
the trouble is , he has said many times we will pay .
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:01 pm
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:09 pm
wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:11 pm
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:15 pm
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:26 pm
wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:35 pm
dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:35 pm
dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:06 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
We've been discussing this far to long its causing things to be like Chinese whispers changing everytime theres a thread about it! Isn't the issue about whether the contract was fully sighned sealed and delivered correctly?
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:19 am
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
We've been discussing this far to long its causing things to be like Chinese whispers changing everytime theres a thread about it! Isn't the issue about whether the contract was fully sighned sealed and delivered correctly?
I don't know Allan. one minute its the contract , the next its Nantes are liable because of the flight..
I don't know what to think about MD going to France and offering them half either.. he feels very strongly blah blah.. but its Nantes that felt they were wronged and stood firm . ? no doubt that can be twisted to us being reasonable and them not so..
but wez asked me would I pay etc.. if I thought I was being wronged id not be offering half.. or accepting half.
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:24 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
We've been discussing this far to long its causing things to be like Chinese whispers changing everytime theres a thread about it! Isn't the issue about whether the contract was fully sighned sealed and delivered correctly?
I don't know Allan. one minute its the contract , the next its Nantes are liable because of the flight..
I don't know what to think about MD going to France and offering them half either.. he feels very strongly blah blah.. but its Nantes that felt they were wronged and stood firm . ? no doubt that can be twisted to us being reasonable and them not so..
but wez asked me would I pay etc.. if I thought I was being wronged id not be offering half.. or accepting half.
Non payment is about contract hence CAS...flight is another matter ? would I pay no not under the circumstances. And feel city are right not yo pay because you've got to believe that the contract was not legally finished, fifa only looked at one aspect of deal and they were very keen to pass buck over to both clubs why else would they say both clubs could appeal to CAS fifa's decision? Was there grounds to appeal you suspect there was or surely city wouldn't have taken that route as they know if contract was legitimate, and appealling to CAS won't change that..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:37 am
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
We've been discussing this far to long its causing things to be like Chinese whispers changing everytime theres a thread about it! Isn't the issue about whether the contract was fully sighned sealed and delivered correctly?
I don't know Allan. one minute its the contract , the next its Nantes are liable because of the flight..
I don't know what to think about MD going to France and offering them half either.. he feels very strongly blah blah.. but its Nantes that felt they were wronged and stood firm . ? no doubt that can be twisted to us being reasonable and them not so..
but wez asked me would I pay etc.. if I thought I was being wronged id not be offering half.. or accepting half.
Non payment is about contract hence CAS...flight is another matter ? would I pay no not under the circumstances. And feel city are right not yo pay because you've got to believe that the contract was not legally finished, fifa only looked at one aspect of deal and they were very keen to pass buck over to both clubs why else would they say both clubs could appeal to CAS fifa's decision? Was there grounds to appeal you suspect there was or surely city wouldn't have taken that route as they know if contract was legitimate, and appealling to CAS won't change that..
same can be said for Nantes though. if they thought we had a decent case with this contract argument wouldn't they have bitten Dalmans hand off for half. ?
as for the flight.. well CAS have to find against Cardiff for us to benefit from that...which is strange in itself..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:45 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:dogfound wrote:wez1927 wrote:paulh_85 wrote:Moving aside the point of weather we should or shouldn't pay for a moment.... How the hell do we not have the money? If this never happened we would have paid the money... So what's the difference
We would of had an asset ,the player to sell on ,this excuse the word is dead money now ,no asset just paying out
would you buy something expensive for your business on credit knowing the only way your getting the money to make repayments was to sell it ?
Would you pay something you believe was lost due to someone else's negligence?
there is a photo of him here at our ground mate. trust me he wasn't lost he arrived here and passed a medical..
now AFTER that he decided not to travel with the team but go back to France to say goodbyes.. turned down the commercial flight the club offered.. and made his own arrangements , turned out to be through McKay, but was looking for alternative means to go back even before the McKays got involved.
mate, id rather our club have 15 mill than not have it.. its just so far ive not seen anything that makes me think we shouldn't pay..
this lost in transit idea proper don't work..
We've been discussing this far to long its causing things to be like Chinese whispers changing everytime theres a thread about it! Isn't the issue about whether the contract was fully sighned sealed and delivered correctly?
I don't know Allan. one minute its the contract , the next its Nantes are liable because of the flight..
I don't know what to think about MD going to France and offering them half either.. he feels very strongly blah blah.. but its Nantes that felt they were wronged and stood firm . ? no doubt that can be twisted to us being reasonable and them not so..
but wez asked me would I pay etc.. if I thought I was being wronged id not be offering half.. or accepting half.
Non payment is about contract hence CAS...flight is another matter ? would I pay no not under the circumstances. And feel city are right not yo pay because you've got to believe that the contract was not legally finished, fifa only looked at one aspect of deal and they were very keen to pass buck over to both clubs why else would they say both clubs could appeal to CAS fifa's decision? Was there grounds to appeal you suspect there was or surely city wouldn't have taken that route as they know if contract was legitimate, and appealling to CAS won't change that..
same can be said for Nantes though. if they thought we had a decent case with this contract argument wouldn't they have bitten Dalmans hand off for half. ?
as for the flight.. well CAS have to find against Cardiff for us to benefit from that...which is strange in itself..
Not unless they thought contracts weren't legitimate difficult to see it from their perspective as it's not our club!
Not sure of CAS decision will effect flight recriminations as if CAS say hes our player then we pay nante but would go after whoever responsible for the flight? if we win nante stand lose 15m unless they can sue somebody , Or they still had ameliano insured at that time? Tbh so many different things involved regarding the money side of things wont be surprised to see it last several years! Hence city doing trust fund for his family in case there is a problem..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:54 am
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:54 am
Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:56 am
dogfound wrote:jesus.. its like the Paul Daniels show here..
I just replied to the idiot but by the time I pressed submit.. his post had been deleted and didn't exist..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:01 am
pembroke allan wrote:Dog
clubs have to ensure them that covers career ending injuries ect ect so presume it's not essential to be personally insured unless you want to be? And of course like everything else in this saga bet it's not simply a case of one clubs insurer paying up as could be clauses in it that prevents this happening, we wont know that of course ...
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:02 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:jesus.. its like the Paul Daniels show here..
I just replied to the idiot but by the time I pressed submit.. his post had been deleted and didn't exist..
Like I said he buts in your conversation to get a response
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:06 am
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:jesus.. its like the Paul Daniels show here..
I just replied to the idiot but by the time I pressed submit.. his post had been deleted and didn't exist..
Like I said he buts in your conversation to get a response
I think sven zapped him before I could have my sixpence worth..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:11 am
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Dog
clubs have to ensure them that covers career ending injuries ect ect so presume it's not essential to be personally insured unless you want to be? And of course like everything else in this saga bet it's not simply a case of one clubs insurer paying up as could be clauses in it that prevents this happening, we wont know that of course ...
yes im aware of club insurance which covers loss of an asset { hate using that word } and of course players future wages.. but players can have life changing injuries on holidays, out with mates, in the garden. or while out of contract etc.. so was of the idea this was all part of agents work..
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:25 am
pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Dog
clubs have to ensure them that covers career ending injuries ect ect so presume it's not essential to be personally insured unless you want to be? And of course like everything else in this saga bet it's not simply a case of one clubs insurer paying up as could be clauses in it that prevents this happening, we wont know that of course ...
yes im aware of club insurance which covers loss of an asset { hate using that word } and of course players future wages.. but players can have life changing injuries on holidays, out with mates, in the garden. or while out of contract etc.. so was of the idea this was all part of agents work..
Yes forgot about holidays
But judging by agents performance so far you've got to doubt anything he does, again is the questions about legitimacy of flight a problem with the insurers as you know they will find anything not to pay and we are talking millions. Here
Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:36 am
dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:dogfound wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Dog
clubs have to ensure them that covers career ending injuries ect ect so presume it's not essential to be personally insured unless you want to be? And of course like everything else in this saga bet it's not simply a case of one clubs insurer paying up as could be clauses in it that prevents this happening, we wont know that of course ...
yes im aware of club insurance which covers loss of an asset { hate using that word } and of course players future wages.. but players can have life changing injuries on holidays, out with mates, in the garden. or while out of contract etc.. so was of the idea this was all part of agents work..
Yes forgot about holidays
But judging by agents performance so far you've got to doubt anything he does, again is the questions about legitimacy of flight a problem with the insurers as you know they will find anything not to pay and we are talking millions. Here
the flight was wrong on many levels. but not sure how negligent Mckay was, everyone wants a villain and he fits. but do you think when Vince phones up for 10 coaches he then checks they are all currently PSV MOTd , have tachometers legally calibrated up to date, are covered under the insurance policy of the coach company , the drivers all have correct licences and current CPC cards. or does he just trust whoever he speaks to on phone ? and if you ring a taxi company , do you jump in the cab or do the checks ? I think if he rang Henderson and Henderson is legit the negligence moves from Mckay to him..
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