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Postby Igovernor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:47 am

Sven wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high



where does this potentially culpable start and end .... ? its take your pick to suit your views.....how about going through airports and jumping on cramped planes all while wearing a joking mask not fit for purpose that has more to do with fashion than effectiveness...? as for figures they change constantly ... more double jabbed in hospital than un jabbed.... cases amongst the jabbed up 40% in a week and likely to overtake the unjabbed { down 22% } in the next few days.... and what ever happened to these vaccines being the magic bullet...


Big mistake here.
Over half of people in the UK being admitted to hospital with the coronavirus are unvaccinated, Sir Patrick Vallance (pictured) has clarified. He originally said 60 per cent of hospital admissions were people who received both jabs, when speaking at a No10 press conference last night. But he later tweeted to say the statistic was false, with the number actually applying to unvaccinated people

https://twitter.com/uksciencechief/stat ... gr%5Etweet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sions.html

Thanks, Rog. Part of the problem is people not understanding the huge reduction in death rates; although some are arguing tgat most of tge 'weak' have already succumbed to it

What an attitude... :roll:

It sure is Chris :banghead:
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Postby Igovernor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:51 am

Sven wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high

"Potentially culpable"....interesting use of words there Chris......I can't remember you stating that to people who chose not to have the influenza jab when offered, even though influenza is a killer, and not just to the old and vulnerable but to all ages. It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. :bluebird:

Jim, as usual you put it so well... :thumbup:

My choice of wording was a little deliberate, if maybe only to make the point that there are more good reasons to have the vaccine than not

You may be (probably are) correct on the 'flu comments (ironically I have that annually) but right or wrong on that, we are currently dealing with Covid-19 at both its infancy and likely peak

First time I've mentioned this but I am one of tge Long Covid suffers and it has hit me for six. Some of the downsides as it continues to affect me 9 months after having the actual virus are pretty scary and have affected many aspects of a usually fit and active work and social life in ways that have only strengthened my view that everyone who is able should have the vaccines as soon as they can

Of course views will differ; but from which point? A view point of experience or a view point of 'I think'?; the latter of which is something we often laud as a dangerous thing :laughing6:

To true Chris, people just don't realize when comparing Covid with Flu there are no long terms effects from flu, I expect someone will say there are :lol: :ayatollah:
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby Bluebina » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:51 am

Sven wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high



where does this potentially culpable start and end .... ? its take your pick to suit your views.....how about going through airports and jumping on cramped planes all while wearing a joking mask not fit for purpose that has more to do with fashion than effectiveness...? as for figures they change constantly ... more double jabbed in hospital than un jabbed.... cases amongst the jabbed up 40% in a week and likely to overtake the unjabbed { down 22% } in the next few days.... and what ever happened to these vaccines being the magic bullet...


Big mistake here.
Over half of people in the UK being admitted to hospital with the coronavirus are unvaccinated, Sir Patrick Vallance (pictured) has clarified. He originally said 60 per cent of hospital admissions were people who received both jabs, when speaking at a No10 press conference last night. But he later tweeted to say the statistic was false, with the number actually applying to unvaccinated people

https://twitter.com/uksciencechief/stat ... gr%5Etweet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sions.html

Thanks, Rog. Part of the problem is people not understanding the huge reduction in death rates; although some are arguing tgat most of tge 'weak' have already succumbed to it

What an attitude... :roll:


Amazing stat when you consider that 68% are double jabbed and more likely to be older and more susceptible to the virus, yet 60% of people in hospital are unvaccinated, and more likely to be young and healthy.

The vaccine is definitely working and making a difference, we just need more youngsters to have the vaccine or catch the virus to build up immunity in the under 30's and maybe we can gain the upper hand.
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby skidemin » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:14 am

Igovernor wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high



where does this potentially culpable start and end .... ? its take your pick to suit your views.....how about going through airports and jumping on cramped planes all while wearing a joking mask not fit for purpose that has more to do with fashion than effectiveness...? as for figures they change constantly ... more double jabbed in hospital than un jabbed.... cases amongst the jabbed up 40% in a week and likely to overtake the unjabbed { down 22% } in the next few days.... and what ever happened to these vaccines being the magic bullet...


Big mistake here.
Over half of people in the UK being admitted to hospital with the coronavirus are unvaccinated, Sir Patrick Vallance (pictured) has clarified. He originally said 60 per cent of hospital admissions were people who received both jabs, when speaking at a No10 press conference last night. But he later tweeted to say the statistic was false, with the number actually applying to unvaccinated people

https://twitter.com/uksciencechief/stat ... gr%5Etweet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sions.html




huge mistake by me ...i should have learned by now not to trust these people...not the first or even hundred and first time a figure has been changed...
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby skidemin » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am

Igovernor wrote:
Sven wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high

"Potentially culpable"....interesting use of words there Chris......I can't remember you stating that to people who chose not to have the influenza jab when offered, even though influenza is a killer, and not just to the old and vulnerable but to all ages. It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. :bluebird:

Jim, as usual you put it so well... :thumbup:

My choice of wording was a little deliberate, if maybe only to make the point that there are more good reasons to have the vaccine than not

You may be (probably are) correct on the 'flu comments (ironically I have that annually) but right or wrong on that, we are currently dealing with Covid-19 at both its infancy and likely peak

First time I've mentioned this but I am one of tge Long Covid suffers and it has hit me for six. Some of the downsides as it continues to affect me 9 months after having the actual virus are pretty scary and have affected many aspects of a usually fit and active work and social life in ways that have only strengthened my view that everyone who is able should have the vaccines as soon as they can

Of course views will differ; but from which point? A view point of experience or a view point of 'I think'?; the latter of which is something we often laud as a dangerous thing :laughing6:

To true Chris, people just don't realize when comparing Covid with Flu there are no long terms effects from flu, I expect someone will say there are :lol: :ayatollah:



did you stop and think before claiming Flu cannot have long term effects ?
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby Igovernor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:17 pm

skidemin wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Sven wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high

"Potentially culpable"....interesting use of words there Chris......I can't remember you stating that to people who chose not to have the influenza jab when offered, even though influenza is a killer, and not just to the old and vulnerable but to all ages. It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. :bluebird:

Jim, as usual you put it so well... :thumbup:

My choice of wording was a little deliberate, if maybe only to make the point that there are more good reasons to have the vaccine than not

You may be (probably are) correct on the 'flu comments (ironically I have that annually) but right or wrong on that, we are currently dealing with Covid-19 at both its infancy and likely peak

First time I've mentioned this but I am one of tge Long Covid suffers and it has hit me for six. Some of the downsides as it continues to affect me 9 months after having the actual virus are pretty scary and have affected many aspects of a usually fit and active work and social life in ways that have only strengthened my view that everyone who is able should have the vaccines as soon as they can

Of course views will differ; but from which point? A view point of experience or a view point of 'I think'?; the latter of which is something we often laud as a dangerous thing :laughing6:

To true Chris, people just don't realize when comparing Covid with Flu there are no long terms effects from flu, I expect someone will say there are :lol: :ayatollah:



did you stop and think before claiming Flu cannot have long term effects ?


No I did not, I should have known better :banghead:
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby pembroke allan » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:02 am

Igovernor wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Sven wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high

"Potentially culpable"....interesting use of words there Chris......I can't remember you stating that to people who chose not to have the influenza jab when offered, even though influenza is a killer, and not just to the old and vulnerable but to all ages. It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. :bluebird:

Jim, as usual you put it so well... :thumbup:

My choice of wording was a little deliberate, if maybe only to make the point that there are more good reasons to have the vaccine than not

You may be (probably are) correct on the 'flu comments (ironically I have that annually) but right or wrong on that, we are currently dealing with Covid-19 at both its infancy and likely peak

First time I've mentioned this but I am one of tge Long Covid suffers and it has hit me for six. Some of the downsides as it continues to affect me 9 months after having the actual virus are pretty scary and have affected many aspects of a usually fit and active work and social life in ways that have only strengthened my view that everyone who is able should have the vaccines as soon as they can

Of course views will differ; but from which point? A view point of experience or a view point of 'I think'?; the latter of which is something we often laud as a dangerous thing :laughing6:

To true Chris, people just don't realize when comparing Covid with Flu there are no long terms effects from flu, I expect someone will say there are :lol: :ayatollah:



did you stop and think before claiming Flu cannot have long term effects ?


No I did not, I should have known better :banghead:



Any respiratory virus can have long term effect even a cold can turn into something more serious if a person as other issues... cold for me can lead to breathing troubles for a period of time afterwards.. not something you'd think can happen with just a cold? :old:
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 22/07/21

Postby MR BIRCHGROVE » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:05 pm

I'm afraid I can't grasp why some people are so pessimistic and negative about the vaccines provided, when it's the main form of protection we have if we wish to release ourselves from the restrictions still in place.
It's my understanding that around 88% of the UK has had a first jab and around 69% has had both jabs.
Overall, I imagine around 90% of the UK adults will be protected by September.
Good result I say although still some way to go.
Currently, taking these figures into account, if anywhere around 60% of people being admitted to hospital are unvaccinated people, this has to be a major success.
In addition, it is suggested by many health experts that those who have been admitted to hospital that have been jabbed, have less severe symptoms.
Whatever other associated problems the pandemic has caused us, it was always made clear that the vaccinations do not give 100% protection, but nevertheless, give the programme some credit instead of constantly trying to find reasons to run it down!
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 24/07/21

Postby TopCat CCFC » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:27 pm

Covid: Food exemption scheme delayed until Monday -

New Covid daily contact testing sites for workers at supermarket depots and food manufacturers won't begin operating until next week.

Supermarket depot workers and food manufacturers in England will be exempt from quarantine rules as the government tries to prevent food supply problems.

The government had initially promised to begin testing at 15 "crucial" supermarket depots on Friday.

But the BBC has learned that testing will be delayed until Monday 26 July.

Up to 10,000 staff are expected to qualify for the scheme, but supermarket workers are not included .


Daily Covid cases down for third day in UK -

Covid cases are down for the third consecutive day in the UK, latest daily figures show.

The UK recorded 36,389 new infections - a further drop from 46,558 logged on 20 July.

It is too soon to say if cases have peaked, however, given that the statistics do not capture the impact of unlocking that happened on 19 July.

One expert said it will take a few weeks after relaxing restrictions to know for certain.
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 24/07/21

Postby Scoularite » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:14 pm

I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 24/07/21

Postby TheHangedMan » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:14 pm

Scoularite wrote:I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?

A few points to guide you on your learning path.....the facts as I see them.

1. I don't know anybody who purports that Covid 19 is not a virus.......but I do see massive exaggeration in the MSM and YOUR Govt. on how this plays out in real life....i.e. yours and my life.
2. The influenza comparrison is an interesting one, flu has been a massive killer for as long as I remember, but fortunately hardly anybody succumbed over the last 18 months, i guess we wiped that one out!
3. Be careful when you state "the vast majority of experts" as a default that all is true. "The vast majority of experts" who get media time are the ones you are probably quoting......not the many expert scientists who dispute the MSM narrative.

In summary, if you believe the MSM that is your choice and good luck with your knowledge quest. Others prefer to look at a wider source of news, and then make an informed decision on that. :bluebird:
Not a shred of evidence exists in favour of the idea that life is serious........
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 24/07/21

Postby WestCoastBlue » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:56 pm

TheHangedMan wrote:
Scoularite wrote:I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?

A few points to guide you on your learning path.....the facts as I see them.

1. I don't know anybody who purports that Covid 19 is not a virus.......but I do see massive exaggeration in the MSM and YOUR Govt. on how this plays out in real life....i.e. yours and my life.
2. The influenza comparrison is an interesting one, flu has been a massive killer for as long as I remember, but fortunately hardly anybody succumbed over the last 18 months, i guess we wiped that one out!
3. Be careful when you state "the vast majority of experts" as a default that all is true. "The vast majority of experts" who get media time are the ones you are probably quoting......not the many expert scientists who dispute the MSM narrative.

In summary, if you believe the MSM that is your choice and good luck with your knowledge quest. Others prefer to look at a wider source of news, and then make an informed decision on that. :bluebird:


You didn’t actually answer his main question.
Why is it that every country, government, healthcare systems, etc decided to enact socially and economically damaging measures if they weren’t needed? And why have they done this when the counter information is so readily available that even a guy like you who struggles to google “lockdown protests” has access to it?
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 19/07/21

Postby skidemin » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:32 pm

Igovernor wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Igovernor wrote:
Sven wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:
Sven wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:I know it's not easy for boris to get things right with covid but lately hes making a balls up of things? Firstly should never have removed mandatory face masks simply because young people who have not be vaccinated wont have jab why should they when everything is open? Now he's saying no double vaccination no entry into night clubs from sept? Ffs suppose to have experts helping him to get it right but it was blatantly obvious what would happen.. :banghead:



thin end of the wedge..




Maybe but a bit of common sense would tell him if people dont need to be vaccinated they wont be.... cannot have potentially millions of unvaccinated people running around potentially giving covid without realizing it especially as was avoidable ...but live and learn



trouble is double vaccinated people can run around giving covid without realising it too.....

Yrs, but the reality is that those double vaccinated are less likely to contract or transmit to the same levels as those who are not double vaccinated

Notwithstanding some people are simply unable to receive tgeir jabs for medical reasons, those who choose not to have them are at best unhelpful to the situation and maybe potentially culpable for keeping the serious cases unnecessarily high

"Potentially culpable"....interesting use of words there Chris......I can't remember you stating that to people who chose not to have the influenza jab when offered, even though influenza is a killer, and not just to the old and vulnerable but to all ages. It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. :bluebird:

Jim, as usual you put it so well... :thumbup:

My choice of wording was a little deliberate, if maybe only to make the point that there are more good reasons to have the vaccine than not

You may be (probably are) correct on the 'flu comments (ironically I have that annually) but right or wrong on that, we are currently dealing with Covid-19 at both its infancy and likely peak

First time I've mentioned this but I am one of tge Long Covid suffers and it has hit me for six. Some of the downsides as it continues to affect me 9 months after having the actual virus are pretty scary and have affected many aspects of a usually fit and active work and social life in ways that have only strengthened my view that everyone who is able should have the vaccines as soon as they can

Of course views will differ; but from which point? A view point of experience or a view point of 'I think'?; the latter of which is something we often laud as a dangerous thing :laughing6:

To true Chris, people just don't realize when comparing Covid with Flu there are no long terms effects from flu, I expect someone will say there are :lol: :ayatollah:



did you stop and think before claiming Flu cannot have long term effects ?


No I did not, I should have known better :banghead:



obviously ...
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 25/07/21

Postby Scoularite » Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:03 pm

TheHangedMan » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:14 pm

Scoularite wrote:
I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?

A few points to guide you on your learning path.....the facts as I see them.

1. I don't know anybody who purports that Covid 19 is not a virus.......but I do see massive exaggeration in the MSM and YOUR Govt. on how this plays out in real life....i.e. yours and my life.
2. The influenza comparrison is an interesting one, flu has been a massive killer for as long as I remember, but fortunately hardly anybody succumbed over the last 18 months, i guess we wiped that one out!
3. Be careful when you state "the vast majority of experts" as a default that all is true. "The vast majority of experts" who get media time are the ones you are probably quoting......not the many expert scientists who dispute the MSM narrative.

In summary, if you believe the MSM that is your choice and good luck with your knowledge quest. Others prefer to look at a wider source of news, and then make an informed decision on that. :bluebird:


I'll take your points in order:

1 "I don't know anybody who purports that covid is not a virus" either and I certainly didn't say it, and it might help if you could explain what is this massive exaggeration that the media and the governments around the world are promoting?

2 Annual flu deaths as published Dec. 13 in The Lancet medical journal.
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year. These deaths would normally be with large numbers of people having already taken a flu jab and not having been in any sort of lockdown.

With the advent of covid and no initial vaccinations available, almost immediate lockdowns for the most elderly and vulnerable followed by significant lockdowns for the general population, and the introduction of facemasks to prevent carriers passing on any infections, flu rates were naturally going to drop - no mystery. On the other hand, the World Health Organisation latest deaths from covid are 4,136,518, and still climbing as many countries are moving into yet another "spike" in infections, such as Japan.

3 You must have access to a pool of expert scientists that I am not aware of, so I made a few simple searches on the web.
I failed to find any scientists listed who disputed the risk of further mutations, so perhaps you could share your list.

Finally, I was wondering when you were going to answer any of the questions that I raised? :?:
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 26/07/21

Postby TopCat CCFC » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:51 am

Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK -

The number of people testing positive for Covid-19 has continued to fall in the UK, the latest daily figures show.

The UK recorded 29,173 new cases on Sunday - down from 48,161 logged a week earlier on 18 July.

The number of new infections by date reported has fallen for five days in a row for the first time since February.

It is also the first time since the start of the pandemic that a sustained drop in cases has not coincided with a national lockdown.

"The data at present is looking good for at least the summer," said Prof Paul Hunter from the University of East Anglia.

"Today's figures do not of course include any impact of last Monday's end of restrictions. It will not be until about next Friday before the data includes the impact of this change."
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 26/07/21

Postby katymcbride280 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:44 pm

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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 26/07/21

Postby MR BIRCHGROVE » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 pm

I'm surprised we haven't had any of the usual reminders of the thousands that turned up to Trafalgar Square on the weekend.

Maybe it was because it was attended by the likes of David Icke, Piers Corbyn, Katie Hopkins (fresh back from being kicked out of Australia) and included that unbelievable speech by the delightful ex-nurse and conspiracy theorist Kate Shemirani, who turned against members of her former profession by comparing NHS staff to those in Nazi-Germany who were hung for their crimes.....to which the crowd in attendance cheered and applauded.

I'm all in favour of protesting, but sorry my friends; these kind of people are a total disgrace
Pick on our NHS guys and the argument is lost!
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 24/07/21

Postby skidemin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 am

Scoularite wrote:I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?





well i dont get how i keep reading the claim ...some people claim its no worse than the flu ..its said far far more than ive actually read someone say it...its chuck enough mud and hope some will stick .. ...
you want to know why our media sensationalise everything ... maybe its to sell papers / get viewers ?
in this case sections of our MSM were reporting people dropping dead in the street in China in early March 2020
and reporting Italys hospitals were over run with patients dying in corridors , no doubt a couple of their hospitals were but Italys health service is pretty decent and overall have coped despite having to deal with 10 times the amount of patients that they were having to deal with in those early reports.... more recently India seemed to be their go to place for scaremongering but that came and went when Indias huge deaths and cases didnt materialise....they scared the crap out of a lot of people , some i think will never feel safe again....
no idea what trump,, brazil or global warming have to do with covid .... might as well have thrown neil harris/ durban and scoular in...
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 26/07/21

Postby skidemin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:33 am

MR BIRCHGROVE wrote:I'm surprised we haven't had any of the usual reminders of the thousands that turned up to Trafalgar Square on the weekend.

Maybe it was because it was attended by the likes of David Icke, Piers Corbyn, Katie Hopkins (fresh back from being kicked out of Australia) and included that unbelievable speech by the delightful ex-nurse and conspiracy theorist Kate Shemirani, who turned against members of her former profession by comparing NHS staff to those in Nazi-Germany who were hung for their crimes.....to which the crowd in attendance cheered and applauded.

I'm all in favour of protesting, but sorry my friends; these kind of people are a total disgrace
Pick on our NHS guys and the argument is lost!



quite surprised anyone was protesting as most of the country has returned to normality despite deaths in the last 7 days being double what they had been just prior to the first lockdown....and cases currently running at 60 times more..... makes perfect sense ? its guess guess and guess again.
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Re: UPDATED DAILY : UK CORONAVIRUS - UPDATED 27/07/21

Postby Scoularite » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:12 am

by skidemin » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 am

Scoularite wrote:
I just don't get how some people still seem to think that covid is no worse than flu and that the media are responsible for beefing the story up to scare the people for some reason. :? Maybe one of them could explain why the media would want to do it - what's in it for them, why governments all around the world are falling for it when having to take preventative action that is murdering their economies ( apart from Trump when in office, and the president of Brazil who, like Trump, also believes that Global Warming is a myth), why the World Health Organisation is pleading for vaccinations to be given to poorer countries, and what appears to be the vast majority of medical experts seem to be concerned about further mutations.

In particular, why are so many people with other major medical problems being denied timely treatment because the Health Boards across the country have also apparently been conned by the media? Are all the medical staff apparently all falling for this so-called scare-mongering? :? :? :?





well i dont get how i keep reading the claim ...some people claim its no worse than the flu ..its said far far more than ive actually read someone say it...its chuck enough mud and hope some will stick .. ...
you want to know why our media sensationalise everything ... maybe its to sell papers / get viewers ?
in this case sections of our MSM were reporting people dropping dead in the street in China in early March 2020
and reporting Italys hospitals were over run with patients dying in corridors , no doubt a couple of their hospitals were but Italys health service is pretty decent and overall have coped despite having to deal with 10 times the amount of patients that they were having to deal with in those early reports.... more recently India seemed to be their go to place for scaremongering but that came and went when Indias huge deaths and cases didnt materialise....they scared the crap out of a lot of people , some i think will never feel safe again....
no idea what trump,, brazil or global warming have to do with covid .... might as well have thrown neil harris/ durban and scoular in...
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Firstly, as far as Trump and Brazil are concerned, you might remember that they were the 2 world leaders who disputed the impact of covid.

As far as the comparison between flu and covid goes, the annual flu deaths as published Dec. 13 in The Lancet medical journal were that seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year. These deaths would normally be with large numbers of people having already taken a flu jab and not having been in any sort of lockdown.

With the advent of covid and no initial vaccinations available, almost immediate lockdowns for the most elderly and vulnerable followed by significant lockdowns for the general population, and the introduction of facemasks to prevent carriers passing on any infections, flu rates were naturally going to drop - no mystery. On the other hand, the World Health Organisation latest deaths from covid are 4,136,518, and still climbing as many countries are moving into yet another "spike" in infections, such as Japan where you might have noticed that there are no spectators at the Olympics.

Then, do you really think that putting virtually the same story in all the newspapers day after day would help to sell more papers?

And as far as cases not materializing in India is concerned, I would say that 31.4 million reported cases and 421 thousand deaths are hardly insignificant, particularly as it led to the start of the Indian variant, now regarded as one of the most contagious strains of covid.
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