Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:08 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:45 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:58 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:10 pm
RadnorRoad wrote:Annis - I support your posts emphasising that we should isolate and treat COVID 19 seriously but your last post is copied from a misinformed source and could terrify people
There is no way that half the doctors and nurses in Italy have died. These are current facts:
1.COVID deaths in Italy to date = 7,503
2. Numbers of doctors = 336,000
3. Numbers of nurses = around 600,00 depending on how they are defined
Half the nurses and doctors in Italy are not dead
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:13 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:14 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:18 pm
RadnorRoad wrote:Ah ok, I understand
My son lives in northern Italy and is just about coping considering that he's been in lockdown for three weeks
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:27 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:RadnorRoad wrote:Ah ok, I understand
My son lives in northern Italy and is just about coping considering that he's been in lockdown for three weeks
Sorry if it wasn’t stated better.
I feel for you and your Son big time as it must be scary for you and him, you wondering how he is every day
I am worried for 19yr old daughter still stuck in Cardiff and now not allowed to join us.
Yes we are in our 12th day lockdown and it’s very boring, but worth it for my family.
This is why I go on so much , the UK Govt and citizens should learn from our mistakes .
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:42 pm
Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:RadnorRoad wrote:Ah ok, I understand
My son lives in northern Italy and is just about coping considering that he's been in lockdown for three weeks
Sorry if it wasn’t stated better.
I feel for you and your Son big time as it must be scary for you and him, you wondering how he is every day
I am worried for 19yr old daughter still stuck in Cardiff and now not allowed to join us.
Yes we are in our 12th day lockdown and it’s very boring, but worth it for my family.
This is why I go on so much , the UK Govt and citizens should learn from our mistakes .
Keep going on mate
You might just save some dopes life
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:47 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:28 pm
Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:36 pm
snoopystorm wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Don’t forget Annis the stats are out by 24-48hrs on the testing side as a test takes 24hrs to get the results...
Bluebinna I was talking to a critical care nurse last week and she said they already been told in her department the young (under 40) get the ventilators before the old. Not the nicest thing to decide and I wouldn’t like to be in their shoes either.
Certain areas of Newport are still treating it like an extended party weekend and they wonder why they’re the hotspot capital for Wales.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:17 pm
Bluebina wrote:snoopystorm wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Don’t forget Annis the stats are out by 24-48hrs on the testing side as a test takes 24hrs to get the results...
Bluebinna I was talking to a critical care nurse last week and she said they already been told in her department the young (under 40) get the ventilators before the old. Not the nicest thing to decide and I wouldn’t like to be in their shoes either.
Certain areas of Newport are still treating it like an extended party weekend and they wonder why they’re the hotspot capital for Wales.
She said the same, but a 34 year old with preconditions may not get one over a fit 50-year-old with no problems, because the fifty year old would have better survival odds, it's going to be hard for them in three weeks!
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:41 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:46 pm
Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:52 pm
RadnorRoad wrote:Keep ramming home the message Annis, I misread your post
I can't say too much but I am at the centre of all of this in terms of work although I am exiled in England. Isolation is fundamental as the USA is sadly showing and, to a lesser extent, London here
Someone is going to lose a relative and they'll be saying "why didn't anyone tell me"
Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:59 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:32 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:34 pm
Bluebina wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
Doctors are trained to save as many lives as possible and have to way up the greatest use of life-saving equipment, although age is important it's not the only factor they have to take into account. Fingers crossed they never have to make these terrible decisions and we will have enough ventilators for everyone that needs one
We can help by all staying in most of the time and if we do go out for exercise acting responsibly and following government guidelines.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:52 pm
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:11 pm
103 Barmy Army wrote:Triage has been used in a medical capacity for many years and is often associated with the battlefield.
Our Doctors and nurses will be more than aware of how it works as it’s a critical aspect of their job, but the scary thing is the potential scale of triage involved and the fear of the unknown.
What we need is a smaller and more manageable number of casualties (below the NHS operating threshold) over a longer term to save lives as kit and equipment is limited, as opposed to a high and untreatable number of casualties in a short time frame, which will result in a high number of deaths.
Just stay indoors unless it’s absolutely necessary and help reduce the spread of cross contamination.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:55 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:11 pm
dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:29 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
They certainly do and I’m positive that some difficult decisions may well be made during this awful time.
I was just making the point that the talk of nurses discussing the potential decisions to be made (saving a fit 50 year old as opposed to a 35 year old with medical problems) shouldn’t be discussed / mentioned on this forum as it could be potentially upsetting or worrying to its users.
My opinion, that’s all
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:34 pm
dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
They certainly do and I’m positive that some difficult decisions may well be made during this awful time.
I was just making the point that the talk of nurses discussing the potential decisions to be made (saving a fit 50 year old as opposed to a 35 year old with medical problems) shouldn’t be discussed / mentioned on this forum as it could be potentially upsetting or worrying to its users.
My opinion, that’s all
yes...what seems to be passing everyone by is the fact that corona virus itself is being prioritised over pretty much all other illnesses and procedures... our hospitals are empty of people that should be in hospital in preparation for the epidemic.. and people are 100% going to die because what illness they have is being trumped...
as an example of volume there are 165,000 cancer deaths every year in the UK, that's 450 a day..yet 50% of those diagnosed with cancer survive through treatment so an equal number who would once have died no longer do....god only knows how many possible diagnosis, treatments, procedures will be missed/not happen...
keeping this virus manageable and keeping things like above in place is one hell of a balancing act..
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:47 pm
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
They certainly do and I’m positive that some difficult decisions may well be made during this awful time.
I was just making the point that the talk of nurses discussing the potential decisions to be made (saving a fit 50 year old as opposed to a 35 year old with medical problems) shouldn’t be discussed / mentioned on this forum as it could be potentially upsetting or worrying to its users.
My opinion, that’s all
yes...what seems to be passing everyone by is the fact that corona virus itself is being prioritised over pretty much all other illnesses and procedures... our hospitals are empty of people that should be in hospital in preparation for the epidemic.. and people are 100% going to die because what illness they have is being trumped...
as an example of volume there are 165,000 cancer deaths every year in the UK, that's 450 a day..yet 50% of those diagnosed with cancer survive through treatment so an equal number who would once have died no longer do....god only knows how many possible diagnosis, treatments, procedures will be missed/not happen...
keeping this virus manageable and keeping things like above in place is one hell of a balancing act..
It certainly is.
Very sobering thoughts there.
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:17 pm
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:55 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
They certainly do and I’m positive that some difficult decisions may well be made during this awful time.
I was just making the point that the talk of nurses discussing the potential decisions to be made (saving a fit 50 year old as opposed to a 35 year old with medical problems) shouldn’t be discussed / mentioned on this forum as it could be potentially upsetting or worrying to its users.
My opinion, that’s all
yes...what seems to be passing everyone by is the fact that corona virus itself is being prioritised over pretty much all other illnesses and procedures... our hospitals are empty of people that should be in hospital in preparation for the epidemic.. and people are 100% going to die because what illness they have is being trumped...
as an example of volume there are 165,000 cancer deaths every year in the UK, that's 450 a day..yet 50% of those diagnosed with cancer survive through treatment so an equal number who would once have died no longer do....god only knows how many possible diagnosis, treatments, procedures will be missed/not happen...
keeping this virus manageable and keeping things like above in place is one hell of a balancing act..
It certainly is.
Very sobering thoughts there.
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:01 am
dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:dogfound wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:Bluebina wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Italy for the 4th day in a row deaths and catching the virus have dropped
But it’s still horrendous
Spain is also actually falling But again it is horrendous
BUT THIS HAS ONLY COME DOWN BY TOTAL LOCKDOWNS & ZERO TOLERANCE BY THE AUTHORITIES
Not continually playing happy families and friends going for walks and having their ice creams Sadly some of you will regret this big time .
I was chatting to a Nurse, she is very calm normally but pretty worried about the next three weeks, they have been deep in discussion on ethics, and who will be given the ventilator!
Mate I’m not sure a nurse should have made that info public in a discussion with you.
Not trying to be an arse mate just thinking if I was 35 with health problems - which I’m not - it would be upsetting to hear this info...,particularly if they’ve been following all government safety advice.
isn't this what doctors/ paramedics have always done in these circumstances
They certainly do and I’m positive that some difficult decisions may well be made during this awful time.
I was just making the point that the talk of nurses discussing the potential decisions to be made (saving a fit 50 year old as opposed to a 35 year old with medical problems) shouldn’t be discussed / mentioned on this forum as it could be potentially upsetting or worrying to its users.
My opinion, that’s all
yes...what seems to be passing everyone by is the fact that corona virus itself is being prioritised over pretty much all other illnesses and procedures... our hospitals are empty of people that should be in hospital in preparation for the epidemic.. and people are 100% going to die because what illness they have is being trumped...
as an example of volume there are 165,000 cancer deaths every year in the UK, that's 450 a day..yet 50% of those diagnosed with cancer survive through treatment so an equal number who would once have died no longer do....god only knows how many possible diagnosis, treatments, procedures will be missed/not happen...
keeping this virus manageable and keeping things like above in place is one hell of a balancing act..
It certainly is.
Very sobering thoughts there.
I never gave death.. well certainly the stats of who dies for what reason and how many die every year any real thought before this. but incredibly over half a million of us die every year. shocked me