popeye21 wrote:Sneggyblubird wrote:And yet one of our medical experts was praising them yesterday for handing over their research and other vital data so quickly and described their actions as a massive help.Just saying like.....................The Americans were responsible for the Spanish flu and they were also responsible for the 2008 market crash but no seems to have ostracized them.
I just searched for 'medical experts praise China for handing over research and other vital data so quickly', but no relevant articles etc from yesterday or previously. Furthermore, if the PRC hadn't lied about the virus in December, 95% of cases and deaths wouldn't have happened around the world. The research and data should have handed to the WHO in December as required by the International Health Regulations.
The International Health Regulations require that states monitor and share all information regarding “clinical descriptions, laboratory results, sources and type of risk, numbers of human cases and deaths, conditions affecting the spread of the disease, and the health measures employed” with respect to potential outbreaks.
' A University of Southampton study has previously found that — should strict quarantine measures have been introduced three weeks earlier — the disease’s spread would have been reduced by some 95%.'
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publica ... pensation/
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=214024
I thought that this discussion was about the PRC and their lying about the Coronavirus, yet you adopt the typical left wing defence and change the subject. This is the point where when talking face to face, those on the left usually raise their voices and interrupt answers with more questions. Anyway, my answers on the new subjects are below :-
We know that SARS, Swine Flu and Bird Flu originated in China and that Spanish flu has research suggesting that it also originated in China. China is a country with a huge population, with many exposed to the animals from which a lot of these viruses start.
'One of the few regions of the world seemingly less affected by the 1918 flu pandemic was China, where there may have been a comparatively mild flu season in 1918 (although this is disputed due to lack of data during the Warlord Period of China, see Around the globe). Multiple studies have documented that there were relatively few deaths from the flu in China compared to other regions of the world.[26][27][28] This has led to speculation that the 1918 flu pandemic originated in China.[29][27][30][31] The relatively mild flu season and lower rates of flu mortality in China in 1918 may be explained due to the fact that the Chinese population had already possessed acquired immunity to the flu virus.[32][29][27]
In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China. It then mutated in the United States near Boston and from there spread to Brest, France, Europe's battlefields, Europe, and the world with Allied soldiers and sailors as the main disseminators.[33]
In 2014, historian Mark Humphries argued that the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines might have been the source of the pandemic. Humphries, of the Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. John's, based his conclusions on newly unearthed records. He found archival evidence that a respiratory illness that struck northern China in November 1917 was identified a year later by Chinese health officials as identical to the Spanish flu.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
The 2008 crash did start in the US, but the crash did the most damage in the US and is arguably as much to do with global banking than US business practice and legislation. The PRC is also a member of the G20 and the IMF and both organisations are just as complicit in the 2008 crash.
The initial G20 agenda, as conceived by US, Canadian and German policy makers, was very much focused on the sustainability of sovereign debt and global financial stability,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G20
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is an organization of 189 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation, secure financial stability, facilitate international trade, promote high employment and sustainable economic growth, and reduce poverty around the world.
https://www.imf.org/en/countries
Foghorn65 wrote:Finger pointing!?!?
They are guilty.
Time for the rest of the World to act.
TopCat CCFC wrote:Top US diplomat again says China to blame
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has blamed China for the severity of the coronavirus outbreak, telling ABC News that the country “had the opportunity to prevent all of the calamity that has befallen the world” but tried to “conceal and hide and confuse” information.
The Trump administration has in recent weeks increasingly pointed the finger at China, in what BBC correspondent Barbara Plett Usher wrote recently was a co-ordinated effort to reframe Trump's handling of the pandemic ahead of November's election.
When asked about an unproven theory that the virus was manmade - a notion President Donald Trump has also repeatedly suggested - Pompeo said he did not disbelieve the theory, claiming “the best experts so far seem to think it was manmade”.
But last week, the US intelligence community stated that it agreed with a scientific consensus that the virus was not manmade or modified.
When asked about that assessment live on the show, Pompeo reversed course, saying he agreed with the intelligence analysis and had “no reason to doubt” its accuracy.
The secretary later said he couldn’t answer whether the virus was intentionally or accidentally released as “the Chinese Communist Party has refused to cooperate with world health experts”.
popeye21 wrote:TopCat CCFC wrote:Top US diplomat again says China to blame
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has blamed China for the severity of the coronavirus outbreak, telling ABC News that the country “had the opportunity to prevent all of the calamity that has befallen the world” but tried to “conceal and hide and confuse” information.
The Trump administration has in recent weeks increasingly pointed the finger at China, in what BBC correspondent Barbara Plett Usher wrote recently was a co-ordinated effort to reframe Trump's handling of the pandemic ahead of November's election.
When asked about an unproven theory that the virus was manmade - a notion President Donald Trump has also repeatedly suggested - Pompeo said he did not disbelieve the theory, claiming “the best experts so far seem to think it was manmade”.
But last week, the US intelligence community stated that it agreed with a scientific consensus that the virus was not manmade or modified.
When asked about that assessment live on the show, Pompeo reversed course, saying he agreed with the intelligence analysis and had “no reason to doubt” its accuracy.
The secretary later said he couldn’t answer whether the virus was intentionally or accidentally released as “the Chinese Communist Party has refused to cooperate with world health experts”.
We will probably never find out whether the virus was man-made, or whether it was accidentally released. IMHO those questions are irrelevant, as we know the virus didn't spread to other parts of China, but did spread around the world. Therefore, while lying about a HTH transmissible virus, the PRC locked down Wuhan, but allowed it to spread to other countries. Whether this was deliberate or to do with 'Saving Face' is immaterial, as the consequences are the same. I will be avoiding Chinese products whenever possible in future.
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