Bigmarkw wrote:bluesince62 wrote:Bigmarkw wrote:You ask them the reason behind they think and they nowhere to be seen.
Well I gave you my reasons,wether you agree with them is another matter surely? Not one person,yourself included,has been given any clue as to how many people have recovered, the figures are twisted,as how can they be correct, when there are some being recorded without any test taking place?and considering the list of symtoms continues to grow,how can they be listed as covid deaths,as it may have been any other condition that was cause of death? Plus there is a huge difference in dying of something,and dying with something !! My dad (rip) died of dementia,but also had two other underlying serious issues,any one of them could have eventually killed him,but only dementia was given as cause of death, with a triple A,and cancer being listed as "with" on death certificate! As neither of them were determined as the cause of death, even though they at some stage would have ended his life,my concern around the figures are for these very reasons.the deaths in Italy where covid 19 was listed as cause of death,was very low indeed,around 12/15 % of death certificates stated covid as direct cause of death,the rest died "with covid 19,but not of it" most deaths were of another cause,but with covid.I have said it once and I will continue to say it,just because people think and view things differently, do not deserve to be name called ,it's all about opinions isn't it? Or is It easier for you to write off people's differing opinions,and ridicule them as nuts,idiots etc (the list is huge!) I also said boris was a dick,bungling his way to the top, leaving the most vulnerable in care homes to suffer so badly is not something I will find easy to forgive, I mean ffs,we are past the peak, so let's roll out testing now
8 weeks too f@cking late imho.and I stand by my opinion, that the mainstream media have been complicit in trying to scare the shit out of the nation,and to a degree has succeeded,even on here some are saying continue lockdown /restricons until a vaccine is found,well that could be a couple of years away, and by then,if restrictions are still in place,we will lose thousands of businesses and millions of jobs,and our grandkids will still be paying for it,
In terms of numbers I agree with you that they are accurate. But through some evil plan but just because it’s impossible for them to be accurate. Most people don’t get tested and don’t get to Illand survive. But they not in the numbers that’s just life.
I’ve think Covid is very survival by the vast majority except old and vulnerable which they can do survive. I urged people to watch the bbc show hospital showing how many so called vulnerable people have survived Covid. It’s just not that dangerous to the whole population. But it is to some and a lot are getting it at the same time which is why we doing what we are to give them the best chance by keeping beds open for them. Just like we would if flu was a new disease.
Well we seem to agree on a couple of points,
if you have read any of my previous posts on various threads, I usually add ? As to what ends that this isn't al, it's cracked up to be,the figures imho are being inflated,why else are deaths with no test, being recorded as covid, why are there no survival figures? How come so few death certificates in Italy list covid as actual cause of death?are they wrong?how come every so often,usually on mainstream news,they keep showing a picture from an intensive care unit,that's not even here,it's in bergamo hospital in spain,it's even been on here a few times too?? I haven't used the word "flu" in reference to covid,as that would be demeaning it,but I will say one thing flu related,and that is anywhere between 350,000 to 750,000 people die annually around the globe of it, we are on around 320,000 deaths related (not of covid) to this virus to date,yet the world hasn't ground to a halt for this annual loss of life to flu every year? To me it seems a little bit suspicious, and I'm no conspiracy theorist either,I just read and watch people's take on this, and who have a wider knowledge than myself,even the guardians headline today is along the lines of"how can the country trust this floundering? Lot to protect us with covid 19" accompanied by a photo of boris and his minions sat at the table,so I guess I'm not alone is not trusting the government. On the point of the elderly bearing the brunt,this is also what I have been saying,and cursing the government over the huge delay in getting testing done in care homes,in my eyes that is unforgivable,considering the percentage of deaths in them.I did watch that programme as you advised,but my argument on that,would be,that is ONE programme that showed positivity, the rest have been doom and bloody gloom to say the very least.my 80 year old mother had serious flu in February, we as a family feared the worst,as she has poor lung function due to contracted tb as a young girl.so believe me when I day, we have ALL been doing as asked of us by the top brass,but in my case it's because of her fragility and age ,more than for myself,I shop for her once a week,and drop it off with a quick chat through the french doors,and off I go,she has been at home for ten weeks already, but is not stupid enough to put herself in danger (she is a very independent lady,who does her own shop, goes to keep fit twice weekly,and loves social occasions where she can"dress up" I volunteered a week into lockdown to deliver meds to the people who were/are in isolation,mainly elderly and infirm patients,so I do take it as a serious virus,but won't be forced to panic,at the behest of mainstream media's sake,maybe if/when the total death toll for the virus reaches the highest flu death rate annually, then maybe I will,but not really,as a million deaths annually of any other cause worldwide is not headline news.