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Postby Foghorn65 » Thu May 21, 2020 6:37 pm

We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby bluebirdoct1962 » Thu May 21, 2020 6:47 pm

Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?

This is something that some of Tom's money could maybe be used for perhaps :clap:
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby pembroke allan » Thu May 21, 2020 8:09 pm

Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



Not enough people want to do the degree nessasary to be a qualified nurse plus when do qualify they go off to private sector/agencies
or abroad after a years experience! Also cut backs mean often or not when someone leaves a post they're not replaced and this applies to all levels of staff drs physio nurses ...
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby glas » Fri May 22, 2020 11:33 am

pembroke allan wrote:
Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



Not enough people want to do the degree nessasary to be a qualified nurse plus when do qualify they go off to private sector/agencies
or abroad after a years experience! Also cut backs mean often or not when someone leaves a post they're not replaced and this applies to all levels of staff drs physio nurses ...


Degrees for nurses are a stupid waste of time. It is an ego thing.
Being able to write an essay is not going top make you a caring person.
Why do you need a degree to make a bed, hand out paracetamol, or change a drip?
These tasks can be learnt "on the job" in a short period of time under guidance from a more experienced person.

The vast majority of nurses have no decision making, responsibility, accountability roles anyway
They just carry out the decisions and orders that doctors make. A nurse can only issue medicine that a doctor has prescribed, they can only alter a drip if the doctor gives them permission to do so.

Why does a theatre nurse need a degree to just hand instruments to a surgeon? He/she has no input into an operation other than as a goffer for the surgeon. A day or 2 spent learning instruments names (Scalpel, forceps, needle etc) would suffice.
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby CF14 Blue » Fri May 22, 2020 12:06 pm

glas wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



Not enough people want to do the degree nessasary to be a qualified nurse plus when do qualify they go off to private sector/agencies
or abroad after a years experience! Also cut backs mean often or not when someone leaves a post they're not replaced and this applies to all levels of staff drs physio nurses ...


Degrees for nurses are a stupid waste of time. It is an ego thing.
Being able to write an essay is not going top make you a caring person.
Why do you need a degree to make a bed, hand out paracetamol, or change a drip?
These tasks can be learnt "on the job" in a short period of time under guidance from a more experienced person.

The vast majority of nurses have no decision making, responsibility, accountability roles anyway
They just carry out the decisions and orders that doctors make. A nurse can only issue medicine that a doctor has prescribed, they can only alter a drip if the doctor gives them permission to do so.

Why does a theatre nurse need a degree to just hand instruments to a surgeon? He/she has no input into an operation other than as a goffer for the surgeon. A day or 2 spent learning instruments names (Scalpel, forceps, needle etc) would suffice.



Ever heard of nurse prescribers? Also it is the nurses who correct the doctors when they make mistakes in the prescribing process. Nurses need the knowledge of medications with Indications, dosing and reactions as well as knowing when to withhold given drugs. The nurse isn't the yes person to the doctor's, they are there as the voice to the patient and ultimately it is the nurse who makes the decision upon recommendation of the doctors and other members of the multi-disciplinary team.

I agree to some extent that the nursing degree isn't up to standard in regards to delivering holistic care and more focussed on evidence based practice but the rest of your comments are a bit insulting to the many brilliant nurses I work with who are extremely intelligent and very highly skilled.
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby pembroke allan » Fri May 22, 2020 2:44 pm

CF14 Blue wrote:
glas wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



Not enough people want to do the degree nessasary to be a qualified nurse plus when do qualify they go off to private sector/agencies
or abroad after a years experience! Also cut backs mean often or not when someone leaves a post they're not replaced and this applies to all levels of staff drs physio nurses ...


Degrees for nurses are a stupid waste of time. It is an ego thing.
Being able to write an essay is not going top make you a caring person.
Why do you need a degree to make a bed, hand out paracetamol, or change a drip?
These tasks can be learnt "on the job" in a short period of time under guidance from a more experienced person.

The vast majority of nurses have no decision making, responsibility, accountability roles anyway
They just carry out the decisions and orders that doctors make. A nurse can only issue medicine that a doctor has prescribed, they can only alter a drip if the doctor gives them permission to do so.

Why does a theatre nurse need a degree to just hand instruments to a surgeon? He/she has no input into an operation other than as a goffer for the surgeon. A day or 2 spent learning instruments names (Scalpel, forceps, needle etc) would suffice.



Ever heard of nurse prescribers? Also it is the nurses who correct the doctors when they make mistakes in the prescribing process. Nurses need the knowledge of medications with Indications, dosing and reactions as well as knowing when to withhold given drugs. The nurse isn't the yes person to the doctor's, they are there as the voice to the patient and ultimately it is the nurse who makes the decision upon recommendation of the doctors and other members of the multi-disciplinary team.

I agree to some extent that the nursing degree isn't up to standard in regards to delivering holistic care and more focussed on evidence based practice but the rest of your comments are a bit insulting to the many brilliant nurses I work with who are extremely intelligent and very highly skilled.



What degree did was to shift from patient care to academic status not sure about now but in my years in nhs main complaint was that qualified staff did not want to or couldn't do basic nursing care as degree is focused on documentation and procedures ! You go on ward and ask how mrs jones is doing and you'll get common response I dont know she is not my patient!! The culprit in all this is the Americans as lots of nursing work is based on their ways of doing things that simply dont work in our system.
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby skidemin » Fri May 22, 2020 7:10 pm

Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



there will be no money left mate..
god knows how many temporary hospitals they have wasted money on and in some cases are not yet complete....and rumour has it in one case { awaiting announcement } is not fit for use. :o and to be dismantled and possibly be re fitted
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby Foghorn65 » Fri May 22, 2020 7:17 pm

Massive knee jerk reaction. What if we have loads of patients with Covid?

Better build some temp hospital to house em all else we be slagged off.

Nah we'll be fine

Errr... Don't wanna risk public criticism and backlash.

What if we build these Nightingale hospitals and they sit empty?

No worries at least we were proactive and built them.
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby MOZZER1 » Fri May 22, 2020 7:17 pm

glas wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Foghorn65 wrote:We should be training people to perform all aspects of health care. There is always vacancies for health care professionals.

Why don't we invest in this essential area?

I've no issue with overseas recruitment but with many unemployed here, why don't we concentrate on filling the gaps?



Not enough people want to do the degree nessasary to be a qualified nurse plus when do qualify they go off to private sector/agencies
or abroad after a years experience! Also cut backs mean often or not when someone leaves a post they're not replaced and this applies to all levels of staff drs physio nurses ...


Degrees for nurses are a stupid waste of time. It is an ego thing.
Being able to write an essay is not going top make you a caring person.
Why do you need a degree to make a bed, hand out paracetamol, or change a drip?
These tasks can be learnt "on the job" in a short period of time under guidance from a more experienced person.

The vast majority of nurses have no decision making, responsibility, accountability roles anyway
They just carry out the decisions and orders that doctors make. A nurse can only issue medicine that a doctor has prescribed, they can only alter a drip if the doctor gives them permission to do so.

Why does a theatre nurse need a degree to just hand instruments to a surgeon? He/she has no input into an operation other than as a goffer for the surgeon. A day or 2 spent learning instruments names (Scalpel, forceps, needle etc) would suffice.


This

Degrees are just a business model these days . No justification in many professions not just the NHS just a money making scam
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Re: NHS recruitment

Postby pembroke allan » Fri May 22, 2020 8:14 pm

Foghorn65 wrote:Massive knee jerk reaction. What if we have loads of patients with Covid?

Better build some temp hospital to house em all else we be slagged off.

Nah we'll be fine

Errr... Don't wanna risk public criticism and backlash.

What if we build these Nightingale hospitals and they sit empty?

No worries at least we were proactive and built them.




£140m 6k beds and 35 patients theres the nightingale hospitals worth! Total ott reaction.....
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