Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:25 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:37 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:03 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:18 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:26 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:37 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:44 am
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Trying to wriggle out of paying on a contract technicality by us is out of order
We all know that that would have been “sorted” with a few minor alterations to the original contract. (I would imagine many contracts have to be amended slightly after going to the Premier League for final approval)
However, I do believe we have a case with the ill fated flight.
This was organised by the representatives of Nantes and there are serious questions as to whether it was safe for this flight to ever take place
No wonder Nantes have kept a so called “dignified silence about this flight” they arranged it through a dodgy unlicensed agent who was acting under their instructions
Just highlights the “murky world “ many of these agents and clubs work in. Unfortunately an innocent young man lost his life because of it and people like the loathsome parasite McKay get to walk away and carry on with their dodgy dealings
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:03 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:Let’s be honest here. It’s an insurance issue that has caused the club to refuse to pay and look for technicalities (that don’t exist), nothing else. A club cannot insure a player that isn’t theirs and they have done everything they can to refuse ownership, so if they think they never owned him then surely they can’t have insured him.
Further to that, If he was insured then Dalman would not have said, “It is obvious we cannot hand over £15million , without heading toward bankruptcy”.
The amount of money wasted on this is unbelievable. The interest is building on that €17m plus legal fees that must be staggering on a case that is essentially flogging a dead horse.
I said it before and maintain it, I think they just want to delay it as long as possible before sanctions are handed down on the off chance the club will gain promotion and be able to absorb the hit better. But that’s a huge gamble.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:18 am
GENERAL CHAT wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:Let’s be honest here. It’s an insurance issue that has caused the club to refuse to pay and look for technicalities (that don’t exist), nothing else. A club cannot insure a player that isn’t theirs and they have done everything they can to refuse ownership, so if they think they never owned him then surely they can’t have insured him.
Further to that, If he was insured then Dalman would not have said, “It is obvious we cannot hand over £15million , without heading toward bankruptcy”.
The amount of money wasted on this is unbelievable. The interest is building on that €17m plus legal fees that must be staggering on a case that is essentially flogging a dead horse.
I said it before and maintain it, I think they just want to delay it as long as possible before sanctions are handed down on the off chance the club will gain promotion and be able to absorb the hit better. But that’s a huge gamble.
White Dragon ....Rothie.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:24 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:31 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:Nobody is slagging anybody off. This is the facts of the case after a merry go round of confused discussions with people not understanding key parts of the case. The case is far from complicated as I have shown, I even broke it down into manageable pieces so you could understand it.
Keep this on topic please chaps. My PM is there if you want to talk about me, happy to answer them.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:33 am
Bluebina wrote:
Don't waste our time it's been done to death, some people think we owe it some don't, 99.9% haven't got a fecking clue, and 100% don't give a feck what you think.
Courts will decide end of the thread, anything else is just talking bollox for the sake of it.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:45 am
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:57 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:Bluebina wrote:
Don't waste our time it's been done to death, some people think we owe it some don't, 99.9% haven't got a fecking clue, and 100% don't give a feck what you think.
Courts will decide end of the thread, anything else is just talking bollox for the sake of it.
You don’t have to click on the thread. As has been stated many people have not read the document and don’t understand key aspects of the case. You have even said yourself you find it complicated - this thread will help some people with that.
If you don’t like it then you don’t have to contribute.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:20 am
Bluebina wrote:
You've made up your mind, which is of course against Cardiff City, as it always is because you are biased, and painted a timeline as a case for the prosecution.
You haven't got a clue and nor does anyone else, the courts will decide not you!
Any comments mine included are totally irrelevant on the outcome, other than no one has a clue and the lawyers will settle this one way or another
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:07 pm
A Quiet Monkfish wrote:It's not about the rights or wrongs of the case - I doubt many City fans would argue that the club have a moral argument not to pay. However because of the large fee and the probability of insurance claims/counter-claims, the evidence has to be scrutinized and clinically examined 100%. It could be the difference, for example, between the club paying Nantes £13million or the insurance paying up.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:39 pm
A Quiet Monkfish wrote:It's not about the rights or wrongs of the case - I doubt many City fans would argue that the club have a moral argument not to pay. However because of the large fee and the probability of insurance claims/counter-claims, the evidence has to be scrutinized and clinically examined 100%. It could be the difference, for example, between the club paying Nantes £13million or the insurance paying up.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:42 pm
skidemin wrote:A Quiet Monkfish wrote:It's not about the rights or wrongs of the case - I doubt many City fans would argue that the club have a moral argument not to pay. However because of the large fee and the probability of insurance claims/counter-claims, the evidence has to be scrutinized and clinically examined 100%. It could be the difference, for example, between the club paying Nantes £13million or the insurance paying up.
there was a rumour..i heard it, others heard it and its been on here a few times about us not having insurance..
the longer its gone on the more I think the rumour was correct.. both our FA and FIFA have confirmed we owned his contract. so this really should then be an insurance case and not us spending a fortune on legal fees taking it from one court to the next, employing French as well as UK lawyers and PIs? isn't that what insurance is for ..
plus its been said a number of times that money has been put one side should the CAS outcome go against us...
in my life ive seen innocent men go to jail and guilty men be found not guilty most courts and tribunals throw these decisions up from time to time but its hard to see this as anything more than rolling the dice in hope..
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:50 pm
bluebird58 wrote:skidemin wrote:A Quiet Monkfish wrote:It's not about the rights or wrongs of the case - I doubt many City fans would argue that the club have a moral argument not to pay. However because of the large fee and the probability of insurance claims/counter-claims, the evidence has to be scrutinized and clinically examined 100%. It could be the difference, for example, between the club paying Nantes £13million or the insurance paying up.
there was a rumour..i heard it, others heard it and its been on here a few times about us not having insurance..
the longer its gone on the more I think the rumour was correct.. both our FA and FIFA have confirmed we owned his contract. so this really should then be an insurance case and not us spending a fortune on legal fees taking it from one court to the next, employing French as well as UK lawyers and PIs? isn't that what insurance is for ..
plus its been said a number of times that money has been put one side should the CAS outcome go against us...
in my life ive seen innocent men go to jail and guilty men be found not guilty most courts and tribunals throw these decisions up from time to time but its hard to see this as anything more than rolling the dice in hope..
You can sure that if the paperwork was not correct at the Premier League, then insurance companies won’t be paying anything. It’s a legal mess.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:01 pm
bluebird58 wrote:skidemin wrote:A Quiet Monkfish wrote:It's not about the rights or wrongs of the case - I doubt many City fans would argue that the club have a moral argument not to pay. However because of the large fee and the probability of insurance claims/counter-claims, the evidence has to be scrutinized and clinically examined 100%. It could be the difference, for example, between the club paying Nantes £13million or the insurance paying up.
there was a rumour..i heard it, others heard it and its been on here a few times about us not having insurance..
the longer its gone on the more I think the rumour was correct.. both our FA and FIFA have confirmed we owned his contract. so this really should then be an insurance case and not us spending a fortune on legal fees taking it from one court to the next, employing French as well as UK lawyers and PIs? isn't that what insurance is for ..
plus its been said a number of times that money has been put one side should the CAS outcome go against us...
in my life ive seen innocent men go to jail and guilty men be found not guilty most courts and tribunals throw these decisions up from time to time but its hard to see this as anything more than rolling the dice in hope..
You can sure that if the paperwork was not correct at the Premier League, then insurance companies won’t be paying anything. It’s a legal mess.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:04 pm
YDdraigGwyn wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Trying to wriggle out of paying on a contract technicality by us is out of order
We all know that that would have been “sorted” with a few minor alterations to the original contract. (I would imagine many contracts have to be amended slightly after going to the Premier League for final approval)
However, I do believe we have a case with the ill fated flight.
This was organised by the representatives of Nantes and there are serious questions as to whether it was safe for this flight to ever take place
No wonder Nantes have kept a so called “dignified silence about this flight” they arranged it through a dodgy unlicensed agent who was acting under their instructions
Just highlights the “murky world “ many of these agents and clubs work in. Unfortunately an innocent young man lost his life because of it and people like the loathsome parasite McKay get to walk away and carry on with their dodgy dealings
Willie McKay was not a representative of Nantes. The deal was completed days previous, why would Nantes or their representatives arrange a flight for another clubs player?
On completion of the contract McKay had fulfilled his role in brokering the deal and Sala was no longer a Nantes player. Willie McKay was acting on behalf of Emiliano Sala himself at that stage, not Nantes.
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:39 pm
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Trying to wriggle out of paying on a contract technicality by us is out of order
We all know that that would have been “sorted” with a few minor alterations to the original contract. (I would imagine many contracts have to be amended slightly after going to the Premier League for final approval)
However, I do believe we have a case with the ill fated flight.
This was organised by the representatives of Nantes and there are serious questions as to whether it was safe for this flight to ever take place
No wonder Nantes have kept a so called “dignified silence about this flight” they arranged it through a dodgy unlicensed agent who was acting under their instructions
Just highlights the “murky world “ many of these agents and clubs work in. Unfortunately an innocent young man lost his life because of it and people like the loathsome parasite McKay get to walk away and carry on with their dodgy dealings
Willie McKay was not a representative of Nantes. The deal was completed days previous, why would Nantes or their representatives arrange a flight for another clubs player?
On completion of the contract McKay had fulfilled his role in brokering the deal and Sala was no longer a Nantes player. Willie McKay was acting on behalf of Emiliano Sala himself at that stage, not Nantes.
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:41 pm
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Trying to wriggle out of paying on a contract technicality by us is out of order
We all know that that would have been “sorted” with a few minor alterations to the original contract. (I would imagine many contracts have to be amended slightly after going to the Premier League for final approval)
However, I do believe we have a case with the ill fated flight.
This was organised by the representatives of Nantes and there are serious questions as to whether it was safe for this flight to ever take place
No wonder Nantes have kept a so called “dignified silence about this flight” they arranged it through a dodgy unlicensed agent who was acting under their instructions
Just highlights the “murky world “ many of these agents and clubs work in. Unfortunately an innocent young man lost his life because of it and people like the loathsome parasite McKay get to walk away and carry on with their dodgy dealings
Willie McKay was not a representative of Nantes. The deal was completed days previous, why would Nantes or their representatives arrange a flight for another clubs player?
On completion of the contract McKay had fulfilled his role in brokering the deal and Sala was no longer a Nantes player. Willie McKay was acting on behalf of Emiliano Sala himself at that stage, not Nantes.
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:43 pm
bluesince62 wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:YDdraigGwyn wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:Trying to wriggle out of paying on a contract technicality by us is out of order
We all know that that would have been “sorted” with a few minor alterations to the original contract. (I would imagine many contracts have to be amended slightly after going to the Premier League for final approval)
However, I do believe we have a case with the ill fated flight.
This was organised by the representatives of Nantes and there are serious questions as to whether it was safe for this flight to ever take place
No wonder Nantes have kept a so called “dignified silence about this flight” they arranged it through a dodgy unlicensed agent who was acting under their instructions
Just highlights the “murky world “ many of these agents and clubs work in. Unfortunately an innocent young man lost his life because of it and people like the loathsome parasite McKay get to walk away and carry on with their dodgy dealings
Willie McKay was not a representative of Nantes. The deal was completed days previous, why would Nantes or their representatives arrange a flight for another clubs player?
On completion of the contract McKay had fulfilled his role in brokering the deal and Sala was no longer a Nantes player. Willie McKay was acting on behalf of Emiliano Sala himself at that stage, not Nantes.
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
Roathy wrong? Never
Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:47 am
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:49 am
bluesince62 wrote:
Roathy wrong? Never
Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:51 am
pembroke allan wrote:
Hes never wrong hes never right he's just not all there......
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:50 am
oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:59 am
YDdraigGwyn wrote:oohahhPaulMillar wrote:
Yes he was and no he wasn’t..get your facts right
I missed your first part that stated ''yes he was''.
Well, No he wasn't. I will explain.
Nantes gave a mandate to Mercato, to acquire a Premier League club to buy Sala. In return they would get 10% of the transfer fee. Willie McKay was not an employee of Mercato.
On the 19th, the deal between the two clubs was agreed and Nantes and Sala terminated their employment contract. From that moment Mercato and Nantes had completed their arrangement.
Sala who had returned home to say goodbye to family and friends after signing with Cardiff was stuck for a convenient option to travel. He spoke with Willie McKay who said there was an option to book a chartered flight (the same one used for Warnock at Cardiff), Sala agreed and told the Player Liaison Officer at Cardiff who responded with ''Ok that works''.
McKay was not representing anyone other than Sala when the flight was booked. He had no employment with Mercato or Nantes at the time. That is documented fact.
Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:34 am