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The PROBLEM is and has been for quite a LONG time is that black people are allowed to complain about coilour and THEIR rights butt we as while people are not allowed to say anything as it is then classed as racist .I AM NOT racist but I believe I mshould be able to make my comment the same as a black person WITHOUT being classed as a racist

Black lives matter on footie shirts but red poppies never? They are both making a statment.

I am totally torn on this issue. In this country I believe it’s a wealth/class issue rather than skin colour. Without having the data available I would wager that the wealth distribution for black people is not the same as white. There is a higher percentage of poorer black people who live in poorer areas with low attainment schools. Yes, the brightest will get on but the vast majority will not have reached their potential which is different from their whiter wealthier neighbours. It starts here. This is the start of the bias whether that be conscious or unconscious, we are wary of strangers who appear to be lower on the social scale to ourselves and skin colour is one of the first immediate identifiers.

I think BLM was a small moment for us all to examine ourselves and most did and then got on with their lives. Whatever we thought about was ours and we chose how to change if any was required. What happened to George Floyd was barbaric and I still don’t quite get the necessity for the restraint but America is and will always be a totally different culture to ours. Our media seem hell bent on replicating the type of coverage not considering the damage it may cause. America is and has always been broken. Its what’s mine is mine now fcuk off before I shoot you.

I do not know what it’s like being anything other than a white, heterosexual male. I was raised by a single parent in a council estate during Thatchers early 80’s, so I know poverty and poor schooling. I really do not appreciate the middle class woke chant of “white privilege”!! They can feel guilty that mummy and daddy bought them a great start but they’ll be the first kicking off if Richi Sunak lowers inheritance tax to pay for better schooling in poor areas.

The media seem out of control at the moment, they are hysterical about everything. They seem hell bent on imposing themselves as a force, but no modern politician is going to against them over race so they are left unchecked. They are losing the silent majority and playing into the right wing nationalists hands, much the same way they are doing in the states where this started and belongs.

I find it so sad that people have to use the murder of 3 people in Reading as a defence to opposition to black lives matter.
MI 5 had this guy on their watch list.
We need a strong government who will introduce measures such as internment as was used in Ireland. Use the forces at home and increase the number of police and arm the police as well.There’s an enemy within and its not being tackled. Its all talk and no action.
The same goes for drug dealers as well. Our government is weak as have successive governments before them been.

and who exactly do you think would be interned ….and who exactly do you think would be against it....id guess ..you..josh..o4...leon..44...

Just watched on fb videos of Atlanta in USA , police have walked out over BLM & guess what last two nights blacks shooting black in streets and everyone doing what they want, frightening, USA are a totally different world to the UK, Thank God.

Black lives matter on footie shirts but red poppies never? They are both making a statment.

Exactly

I will say it again All lives matter

Black lives matter on footie shirts but red poppies never? They are both making a statment.

Exactly

I will say it again All lives matter

There's only one player who doesn't wear a poppy.We all know who that is.
Don't the City auction the poppy player shirts on Ebay.?

Black lives matter on footie shirts but red poppies never? They are both making a statment.

Exactly

I will say it again All lives matter

There's only one player who doesn't wear a poppy.We all know who that is.
Don't the City auction the poppy player shirts on Ebay.?

Yes they did

I’ll probably get completely slaughtered for saying this but the many anti BLM posts on this board has made me feel quite u comfortable. Fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there comes a time when you notice that people are just making statements on the defensive to distract from the fact of their true feelings underneath. I now know where I stand in comparison with the majority on this board and would not be happy to stand in the same stand as you lot at a football match. Not that football has anything to do with it but yes it does. How many anti white comments have I heard at city since I’ve been supporting them? Erm none. How many anti black comments have I heard since I’ve been going to matches? - quite a few. Says it all.

Well in My 48 years of following Cardiff City our fans I can proudly say have never been racist and have always adored black players a fact.
In the 80’s The Docks lads were massive at home and away games with me and we had a very very multi cultural following amongst us a fact .

Don’t ever say Cardiff fans are or have been racist , because they never have been and your out of order , Very very Proud that we have never been

OMG Annis you really must take those Rose Tinted Specs and Ear Muffs off. If you were stood with black boys from the docks you wont have heard a racist talk because the people around you would have been afraid of getting a good hiding if they made such remarks. Ive been abused by City lads home and away in the past, ive been on coaches that have passed through Black areas of cities and heard the vile racist chants of city supporters. Do me a favour and shut the fck up because anyone with half a brain can see through your, "I'm not a racist i've got black nephews " bollox. You may have black members of your family but it dont mean you empathise with them. And don't worry about banning me coz i wont post again

vile racist chants from Cardiff fans... please share where and when...

When the BLM stuff is being talked about a number of people on here get their knickers in a twist and start massively exaggerating. As this is the opposite I suppose the same things apply, such as:
'Now ONLY white lives matter??? That's racist'
A lot has been said of some of the BLM leaders (Saying they're Marxists so doing this means communism will start in the UK and they'd ban prisons etc). Let's have a look at the man who organised this shall we.
Jake Hepple (who obviously has been pictured with tommeh robinson) who has tweeted and posted such niceties as 'Shame you weren't on the front row of Hillsborough'
'Why would anyone in their right mind pay £90 for the new England shirt when it probably cost a company full of tree swinging spear throwers 90p to make?'
(Said when finding out a girl is 14) 'Haha if there grass on the pitch play ball x'.
I suppose anyone supporting this obviously supports paedophilia as well.

honestly mate ,he doesn't sound a very nice chap. but it was a banner with his opinion.. no bikes thrown at police horses, no property damaged, no one in hospital

Look most of you never even heard of BLM until a month or so ago. They are funded by the open foundation and they are funded by the Clinton foundation and the Rothchilds and Soros. BLM and Antifa are paid Anarchists.
Poor confused communists I have had dealings with Antifa and they are a disgusting group.
They are ignored by the police because of the said backers I have seen this with my own eyes.
They are trying to start a race war with one aim a last ditch attempt to ring down Trump.
But it will backfire but not before there is bloodshed on our streets and divide. BLM founder member has confirmed all of this because he set it up with one aim and it got hijacked years ago.
BLM is racist and the agenda is obvious look at the media support of them etc. It’s the world elites controlling this they looked for the most stupid of our population to carry this forward and step forward the loons of the far left.
Wake up and see what is in front of you. It ain’t hard. The press tell you the nation is behind BLM but look around the vast majority are not.

I find it so sad that people have to use the murder of 3 people in Reading as a defence to opposition to black lives matter.
MI 5 had this guy on their watch list.
We need a strong government who will introduce measures such as internment as was used in Ireland. Use the forces at home and increase the number of police and arm the police as well.There’s an enemy within and its not being tackled. Its all talk and no action.
The same goes for drug dealers as well. Our government is weak as have successive governments before them been.

and who exactly do you think would be interned?
ISIS supporters

I find it so sad that people have to use the murder of 3 people in Reading as a defence to opposition to black lives matter.
MI 5 had this guy on their watch list.
We need a strong government who will introduce measures such as internment as was used in Ireland. Use the forces at home and increase the number of police and arm the police as well.There’s an enemy within and its not being tackled. Its all talk and no action.
The same goes for drug dealers as well. Our government is weak as have successive governments before them been.

and who exactly do you think would be interned?
ISIS supporters

yes mate and its exactly the same people who are protesting now that would protest against internment......how you have failed to see this I really don't know....

I am totally torn on this issue. In this country I believe it’s a wealth/class issue rather than skin colour. Without having the data available I would wager that the wealth distribution for black people is not the same as white. There is a higher percentage of poorer black people who live in poorer areas with low attainment schools. Yes, the brightest will get on but the vast majority will not have reached their potential which is different from their whiter wealthier neighbours. It starts here. This is the start of the bias whether that be conscious or unconscious, we are wary of strangers who appear to be lower on the social scale to ourselves and skin colour is one of the first immediate identifiers.

I think BLM was a small moment for us all to examine ourselves and most did and then got on with their lives. Whatever we thought about was ours and we chose how to change if any was required. What happened to George Floyd was barbaric and I still don’t quite get the necessity for the restraint but America is and will always be a totally different culture to ours. Our media seem hell bent on replicating the type of coverage not considering the damage it may cause. America is and has always been broken. Its what’s mine is mine now fcuk off before I shoot you.

I do not know what it’s like being anything other than a white, heterosexual male. I was raised by a single parent in a council estate during Thatchers early 80’s, so I know poverty and poor schooling. I really do not appreciate the middle class woke chant of “white privilege”!! They can feel guilty that mummy and daddy bought them a great start but they’ll be the first kicking off if Richi Sunak lowers inheritance tax to pay for better schooling in poor areas.

The media seem out of control at the moment, they are hysterical about everything. They seem hell bent on imposing themselves as a force, but no modern politician is going to against them over race so they are left unchecked. They are losing the silent majority and playing into the right wing nationalists hands, much the same way they are doing in the states where this started and belongs.

This is a very eloquent, balanced post that gets to the heart of the issue write off the bat.

The social inequity within our society is as far as I am concerned far, far more heavily weighted to class/wealth than any other factor.

This will of course impact the black community disproportionately if there are more percentage of black people from poorer socio/economic backgrounds. However, that in and of itself does not indicate an issue with racism, but one with a gulf of opportunities afforded to those from working class/lower income backgrounds.

We need to remove race from the equation as it is clouding the real issues, issues that could effectively be resolved if we were just to focus on them without all the distraction of identity politics that comes from BLM/Antifa and the rest of the 'progressive left'

Always wondered why there was ethnic tick boxes on Govt forms. One start may be to ban all organisations with the prefix black..apart from the Black Watch, Black Adder etc. Or perhaps the races prefer segregation anyway.

As the left have lost the working class, they now prey on ethnic minorities to justify their noise making, so making race an issue is essential.

You may have black members of your family but it dont mean you empathise with them.

Christ that is a dark, dark place you're in their buddy. Roughly 85-90% of the population would have empathy and love for their family. It's hardwired into us genetically and has been for a long, long time. Chimps have it to as do a ton of other socially advanced animals.

The remaining 10-15% of people who would not harbour such feelings are generally pretty damaged due to external trauma at some point, with an even smaller percentage (about 1 or 2%) bordering on some form of sociopathy.

I honestly hope you manage to get to see the world away from the lens of anger that you seem to have at the moment. I mean that sincerely.

Is it possible to have a free equal and fair society when we have an unelected royal family? .

Is it possible to have a free equal and fair society when we have an unelected royal family? .

yes they are the problem

Not offensive after Reading

skidemin you only joined on 4/01/20.
You haven't got 2 accounts answering your own posts.

skidemin you only joined on 4/01/20.
You haven't got 2 accounts answering your own posts.

no mate its very clear u and skiprat are one and same person though...royal family and terrorist banner planes... dead give away..

What ever you are smoking its too strong.

skidemin you only joined on 4/01/20.
You haven't got 2 accounts answering your own posts.

no mate its very clear u and skiprat are one and same person though...royal family and terrorist banner planes... dead give away..

Where have you been all these years I just find it a bit strange
Why join now.

A history lesson of the white lives matters movement.
Founded in 2015 as a counter to BLM
In 2016 the Ku Klux Klan started using it
Founder: Rebecca Barnette, who as well as co founding this also is the women's leader of the national socialist movement (National socialist is another term for the nazis)
Some quotes by her (all since founding wlm)
“What happens to blacks in this country at the hand of law enforcement is none of our concern ... other than to prepare to restore order and rebuild our neighborhoods taking back our lands one community at a time. When the enemy destroys … we guard our town borders and make our homes white and great again.”
“Do not allow our lands to turn into Haiti ... time to shut the savage beasts down. Shut down Black Lives Matter.”
“It should be apparent to the world ... Obama is for the niggers.”
“Ever hear the term if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck ... then it's a nigger. This is why I hate niggers.”

“And the niggers are too damn STUPID to realize Obama is using them to bring in martial law and the men in blue suits.”

“We have to do what ever possible to stem the rising tide of color"

it is time for “the blood of our enemies [to] soak our soil to form new mortar to rebuild our landmasses.”

The wlm website also denounces mixed race relationships and homosexuality.
Other prominent people behind are the leader of the Aryan renaissance society. Kevin Harris who wears neo Nazi symbols.

I think my gripe is that the media is labelling the banner 'a racist comment'.
Antagonistic maybe but how is it racist?

A history lesson of the white lives matters movement.
Founded in 2015 as a counter to BLM
In 2016 the Ku Klux Klan started using it
Founder: Rebecca Barnette, who as well as co founding this also is the women's leader of the national socialist movement (National socialist is another term for the nazis)
Some quotes by her (all since founding wlm)
“What happens to blacks in this country at the hand of law enforcement is none of our concern ... other than to prepare to restore order and rebuild our neighborhoods taking back our lands one community at a time. When the enemy destroys … we guard our town borders and make our homes white and great again.”
“Do not allow our lands to turn into Haiti ... time to shut the savage beasts down. Shut down Black Lives Matter.”
“It should be apparent to the world ... Obama is for the niggers.”
“Ever hear the term if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck ... then it's a nigger. This is why I hate niggers.”

“And the niggers are too damn STUPID to realize Obama is using them to bring in martial law and the men in blue suits.”

“We have to do what ever possible to stem the rising tide of color"

it is time for “the blood of our enemies [to] soak our soil to form new mortar to rebuild our landmasses.”

The wlm website also denounces mixed race relationships and homosexuality.
Other prominent people behind are the leader of the Aryan renaissance society. Kevin Harris who wears neo Nazi symbols.

Interesting so we can sum this all up fairly neatly in terms of the politics behind all of the race division that is being sown...

BLM - Marxists whose funding page ultimately feeds the Democrats in the US (left)
Capital Hill Autonmous Zone - Marsists who have actually already instigated segregated areas (left)
KKK - founded by the Democrats in the US (left)
WLM - National Socialists AKA Nazis (yep also on the left despite the common misconception that they were far right)

Do you remember a while back Josh when I asked you if you were sure you were sure you were on the side of the good guys? I'll be honest with you here, I'm really starting to think your could be on the bad guys team for sure.

I mean how many times do we have to see that those on the left really are not a nice bunch of people.

Also, I hate to point this out, but you do realise your boxing yourself into a corner here?

If you want to separate the openly Marxist 'Black Lives Matter movement' from the phrase 'black lives matter', then you have to separate the phrase 'white live matter' from the 'White Lives Matter movement' (who I'll be honest I'd never heard of before now and sound like a bunch of wankers). Alternatively, both phrases must be tied to their respective political movements.

So which is it - was the banner flown by the plane merely a statement of fact or was it a political assertion of the WLM movement? If the latter then why is BLM being tied to football when the FA is supposed to be non-partisan.

If the former then why is it any different to the phrase black lives matter.

You do seem to be suggesting the latter in your post although I never like to assume someone else's intention.

So just for clarity, is the phrase black lives matter to be directly associated with the BLM movement from here on in?


For the record, if this is the case I for one am happy to denounce the phrase White Lives Matter unequivocally from here on in (its not that much of a sacrifice if i'm being honest as I'm pretty much in the all lives matter equally camp in that we should judge people on their character and actions rather than the level of melatonin in their skin, but its an old fashioned idea I know).

You know, when we break this all down, there can really be only two interpretations of the phrase black lives matter.

A) black lives matter too - i.e. a sub-set of the concept that all lives matter equally and raising awareness of the need for equality in which case the phrase white lives matter by definition has to have equal standing and be neither more or less offensive than the phrase black lives matter (that's kinda the point of equality)

or

B) black lives matter more - in which case it is not a subset of all lives matter but a statement that stands alone as a statement of supremacy. In which case the phrase white lives matter is the direct contradiction of that supremacist assertion and so a hostile, offensive and aggressive statement (that any self respecting premier league minnow should condemn with the harshest of messages)

What the lad who flew the banner has done (quite possibly unintentionally if everything you said about him is correct) is to bring this conversation to a head. We are at a final fork in the road as it were.

Personally, I firmly lean towards option A and hope we can somehow get through all this without the world being burned to the ground and go back to a world before we valued the group over the individual, I kind of thought that worked pretty well to be honest.

How about you Josh - you ready to burn it all down just so you can feel good about yourself while you fight the evil white supremacists and bigots with your precision cut and paste skills, sticking it to those knuckle dragging racist scum day in day out?

#4LegsGood2LegsBetter

Can’t understand this fascination with affairs in a foreign country. There are approximately 60 murders a day in South Africa alone, and perhaps that is where BLM should concentrate their efforts instead of the British public being continuously fed Marxist propaganda.

A history lesson of the white lives matters movement.
Founded in 2015 as a counter to BLM
In 2016 the Ku Klux Klan started using it
Founder: Rebecca Barnette, who as well as co founding this also is the women's leader of the national socialist movement (National socialist is another term for the nazis)
Some quotes by her (all since founding wlm)
“What happens to blacks in this country at the hand of law enforcement is none of our concern ... other than to prepare to restore order and rebuild our neighborhoods taking back our lands one community at a time. When the enemy destroys … we guard our town borders and make our homes white and great again.”
“Do not allow our lands to turn into Haiti ... time to shut the savage beasts down. Shut down Black Lives Matter.”
“It should be apparent to the world ... Obama is for the niggers.”
“Ever hear the term if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck ... then it's a nigger. This is why I hate niggers.”

“And the niggers are too damn STUPID to realize Obama is using them to bring in martial law and the men in blue suits.”

“We have to do what ever possible to stem the rising tide of color"

it is time for “the blood of our enemies [to] soak our soil to form new mortar to rebuild our landmasses.”

The wlm website also denounces mixed race relationships and homosexuality.
Other prominent people behind are the leader of the Aryan renaissance society. Kevin Harris who wears neo Nazi symbols.

Interesting so we can sum this all up fairly neatly in terms of the politics behind all of the race division that is being sown...

BLM - Marxists whose funding page ultimately feeds the Democrats in the US (left)
Capital Hill Autonmous Zone - Marsists who have actually already instigated segregated areas (left)
KKK - founded by the Democrats in the US (left)
WLM - National Socialists AKA Nazis (yep also on the left despite the common misconception that they were far right)

Do you remember a while back Josh when I asked you if you were sure you were sure you were on the side of the good guys? I'll be honest with you here, I'm really starting to think your could be on the bad guys team for sure.

I mean how many times do we have to see that those on the left really are not a nice bunch of people.

Also, I hate to point this out, but you do realise your boxing yourself into a corner here?

If you want to separate the openly Marxist 'Black Lives Matter movement' from the phrase 'black lives matter', then you have to separate the phrase 'white live matter' from the 'White Lives Matter movement' (who I'll be honest I'd never heard of before now and sound like a bunch of wankers). Alternatively, both phrases must be tied to their respective political movements.

So which is it - was the banner flown by the plane merely a statement of fact or was it a political assertion of the WLM movement? If the latter then why is BLM being tied to football when the FA is supposed to be non-partisan.

If the former then why is it any different to the phrase black lives matter.

You do seem to be suggesting the latter in your post although I never like to assume someone else's intention.

So just for clarity, is the phrase black lives matter to be directly associated with the BLM movement from here on in?


For the record, if this is the case I for one am happy to denounce the phrase White Lives Matter unequivocally from here on in (its not that much of a sacrifice if i'm being honest as I'm pretty much in the all lives matter equally camp in that we should judge people on their character and actions rather than the level of melatonin in their skin, but its an old fashioned idea I know).

You know, when we break this all down, there can really be only two interpretations of the phrase black lives matter.

A) black lives matter too - i.e. a sub-set of the concept that all lives matter equally and raising awareness of the need for equality in which case the phrase white lives matter by definition has to have equal standing and be neither more or less offensive than the phrase black lives matter (that's kinda the point of equality)

or

B) black lives matter more - in which case it is not a subset of all lives matter but a statement that stands alone as a statement of supremacy. In which case the phrase white lives matter is the direct contradiction of that supremacist assertion and so a hostile, offensive and aggressive statement (that any self respecting premier league minnow should condemn with the harshest of messages)

What the lad who flew the banner has done (quite possibly unintentionally if everything you said about him is correct) is to bring this conversation to a head. We are at a final fork in the road as it were.

Personally, I firmly lean towards option A and hope we can somehow get through all this without the world being burned to the ground and go back to a world before we valued the group over the individual, I kind of thought that worked pretty well to be honest.

How about you Josh - you ready to burn it all down just so you can feel good about yourself while you fight the evil white supremacists and bigots with your precision cut and paste skills, sticking it to those knuckle dragging racist scum day in day out?

#4LegsGood2LegsBetter

To be honest I stopped reading after you said that the KKK and Nazis are left wing and then said that the side the neo Nazis are on was the 'good side'.

Josh bottled that debate.

Josh bottled that debate.

Just waiting for his groundbreaking thesis on how the Nazis were left wing first. Once the world has addressed this radical new discovery then I'll be more than happy to move on to the next bit.