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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:28 pm

Well well well.
Who'd of thunk it?
Before you comment watch the video to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpB_GqAfro4
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:49 am

I watched the entire video and I'll give a quick tldw to people who haven't.

A man talks (with a lot of cuts) about the 'ruling elite' and why they want quarantines (even though quarantines have happened for over 400 years).
He then reads a scenario which has some parts that we do now (almost as if a report from pandemic specialists could be accurate).
Finally he holds up a document from 1974 which says that someone thinks depopulation could be good and a company patenting ebola vaccine (An American company wanting to make a profit on illness.... Shock).

I might need a bit more convincing that a group of shady people (who even though all conspiricy theorists seem to know about them there is 0 knowledge whatsoever about them) decided to just to invent a virus, as you do, all so we'd go into lockdown for a few months and won't take a holiday to benidorm this year.
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Postby skidemin » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:48 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:I watched the entire video and I'll give a quick tldw to people who haven't.

A man talks (with a lot of cuts) about the 'ruling elite' and why they want quarantines (even though quarantines have happened for over 400 years).
He then reads a scenario which has some parts that we do now (almost as if a report from pandemic specialists could be accurate).
Finally he holds up a document from 1974 which says that someone thinks depopulation could be good and a company patenting ebola vaccine (An American company wanting to make a profit on illness.... Shock).

I might need a bit more convincing that a group of shady people (who even though all conspiricy theorists seem to know about them there is 0 knowledge whatsoever about them) decided to just to invent a virus, as you do, all so we'd go into lockdown for a few months and won't take a holiday to benidorm this year.



thanks, i couldnt be bothered..
no its not killing nearly enough people to depolopulate the world.. ..or wipe out a certain race...
at the rate its killing people it would take about 700 years to kill 10% of the worlds population.. and simply can not get that high due to there not being enough old ill people to kill...
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:06 pm

Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:31 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:57 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52807414. The BBC did talk about immunity passports tbf.

The problem I have with using things like Event 201 (it was a 3 1/2 hour pandemic exercise to talk about dilemmas held one morning last year for those who can't be bothered to look) to say that the virus is fake or manufactured or whatever is that, if you worked in an office and you did a fire safety and prevention course and then 5 months later the office burnt down. Would you think that was suspicious? Of course not. There have been thousands of 'Event 201' type meetings throughout history so I wouldn't focus on one.

Last July Boris Johnson got rid of the Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee which was there to prepare the UK from a pandemic. Could this mean he's one of these world super leaders who is trying to depopulate Britain?? My guess is probably not.

I looked at the UN Agenda 21 thing and it just looks like promoting sustainability and ending poverty.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:13 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52807414. The BBC did talk about immunity passports tbf.

The problem I have with using things like Event 201 (it was a 3 1/2 hour pandemic exercise to talk about dilemmas held one morning last year for those who can't be bothered to look) to say that the virus is fake or manufactured or whatever is that, if you worked in an office and you did a fire safety and prevention course and then 5 months later the office burnt down. Would you think that was suspicious? Of course not. There have been thousands of 'Event 201' type meetings throughout history so I wouldn't focus on one.

Last July Boris Johnson got rid of the Threats, Hazards, Resilience and Contingency Committee which was there to prepare the UK from a pandemic. Could this mean he's one of these world super leaders who is trying to depopulate Britain?? My guess is probably not.

I looked at the UN Agenda 21 thing and it just looks like promoting sustainability and ending poverty.



i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????
and in any case there are more births than deaths...so the population is still rising .
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Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 pm

Josh,
you do seem to be rather defensive and disparaging on the items I have posted. Perhaps you’ve been on a Common Purpose course.
I hope others with more open minds will not be put off by your comments and if they have the time take a look and make up their own minds.
The United Nations Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development programme is ‘a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which humanity impacts on the environment'(UN document -https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf).

Of course there are some high falutin’ words and lots of political/corporate speak,(paraphrasing Orwell, the purpose of political language is to make murder sound respectable) but when you boil it down some of its‘ key policy objectives are :

• an end to national sovereignty
• an end of western democratic process
• the ending of Common Law
• the abolition of private property
• the abolition of private transport
• the destruction of western industrialisation
• the ending of free enterprise
• the harmonisation of incomes and re-distribution of wealth across the globe
• the limitation of resource use (energy, water, minerals)
• populations to be concentrated in cities close to their place of employment,
• the restructuring of the family unit and increasing limitations on mobility and individual opportunity
• continuous surveillance and monitoring of the population
• the end of freedom of choice

If you were really cynical one might think that aspects of the Covid response is rather in tune with a number of these goals.
There’s lots more if anyone wants to look for it.

Skid,
you're quite right. It's the fear. The Govt have a behavioural unit (Nudge Unit)which frames the advice/propaganda lines which they issue directly and through the media. Psy-ops designed to create fear in this instance and promote certain lines of action and behaviours and disparage others. It was touched on in the bloggers analysis of the Nov 2019 conference which I posted.
Don't take anything at face value. And that's the main lesson in all of this. Reasoning, independent thought and questioning.
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Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:36 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you do seem to be rather defensive and disparaging on the items I have posted. Perhaps you’ve been on a Common Purpose course.
I hope others with more open minds will not be put off by your comments and if they have the time take a look and make up their own minds.
The United Nations Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development programme is ‘a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which humanity impacts on the environment'(UN document -https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf).

Of course there are some high falutin’ words and lots of political/corporate speak,(paraphrasing Orwell, the purpose of political language is to make murder sound respectable) but when you boil it down some of its‘ key policy objectives are :

• an end to national sovereignty
• an end of western democratic process
• the ending of Common Law
• the abolition of private property
• the abolition of private transport
• the destruction of western industrialisation
• the ending of free enterprise
• the harmonisation of incomes and re-distribution of wealth across the globe
• the limitation of resource use (energy, water, minerals)
• populations to be concentrated in cities close to their place of employment,
• the restructuring of the family unit and increasing limitations on mobility and individual opportunity
• continuous surveillance and monitoring of the population
• the end of freedom of choice

If you were really cynical one might think that aspects of the Covid response is rather in tune with a number of these goals.
There’s lots more if anyone wants to look for it.

Skid,
you're quite right. It's the fear. The Govt have a behavioural unit (Nudge Unit)which frames the advice/propaganda lines which they issue directly and through the media. Psy-ops designed to create fear in this instance and promote certain lines of action and behaviours and disparage others. It was touched on in the bloggers analysis of the Nov 2019 conference which I posted.
Don't take anything at face value. And that's the main lesson in all of this. Reasoning, independent thought and questioning.

I am disparaging of this conspiracy theory because a lot of it is circumstantial. Last year I did a day of first aid training. If later today I see someone cut themselves no one would accuse me of doing it because I happened to do an exercise on stopping blood loss a year ago. That is why I disparage event 201 and other 'scenarios' about a hypothetical pandemic.

Agenda 21 is entirely nonbinding and voluntary agreement which was made a quarter of a century ago. (During which time we've had labour and the tories in charge)
Its not a treaty, it doesn't change any of our laws and doesn't give the un powers over us.
In the quarter of a century since we've signed it what policies and laws have our government put in to fulfill those policy objectives?
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby C. Rombie-Coat » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:07 pm

Josh,
I can’t quite see how the ‘Event 21’ conference is a ‘conspiracy theory’ when it is documented and recorded on the website with link supplied. It is no doubt a happy coincidence that such a high powered gathering is there to consider how to manage the instruments of control in the event of a world pandemic just months before one arrives out of the blue, but life’s like that. One of the key things–as the blogger suggested- was to see these people cynically planning all our futures with not a democratically elected face among them.

The conference was just one of the matters I posted and I hope that others will take a look. My posting was not for the benefit of people like you but those who have open, enquiring minds.

Your passive-aggressive response is really a time-waster but I will respond for the benefit of others who may be looking in.
Paraphrasing, you say that Agenda 21 has no influence on our lives in the UK. (Agenda 2030 sets out more detail on how it’s to be implemented).

I say bollocks.

You say it’s voluntary but the UK Govt have signed up to it: ‘On behalf of the peoples we serve, we have adopted a historic decision on a comprehensive, far-reaching and people-centred set of universal and transformative Goals and targets. We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030.’(UN Declaration 25/27 Sept 2015).
The influence is there alright but rather insidious.

This is a global movement, coordinated through ‘a global to local action plan’. A key facet of that action plan is to push the agenda down to the most local levels in society. Agenda 21 describes itself as 'a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which humanity impacts on the environment'.

•Agenda 21 is being pursued by most Local Authorities who promote ‘sustainable development.’ (Local Government Act 2000).
•Common Purpose (‘leading beyond authority’). Regional Government. City Mayors.
•Public/Private Partnerships(Chapter 27 Agenda 21 (Strengthening The Role Of Non-governmental Organizations: Partners For Sustainable Development) is another feature.( Ever notice the Police/Council etc talking about their ‘partners?’).

There will be a myriad of stuff from the EU which is seamlessly absorbed into the system.

And the latest piece of shithousery is the ‘Global Compact for Migration’ to which May quietly signed up to last year.( https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/migration-compact).Guaranteed direct migration to the UK.

Bye for now.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:14 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
I can’t quite see how the ‘Event 21’ conference is a ‘conspiracy theory’ when it is documented and recorded on the website with link supplied. It is no doubt a happy coincidence that such a high powered gathering is there to consider how to manage the instruments of control in the event of a world pandemic just months before one arrives out of the blue, but life’s like that. One of the key things–as the blogger suggested- was to see these people cynically planning all our futures with not a democratically elected face among them.

The conference was just one of the matters I posted and I hope that others will take a look. My posting was not for the benefit of people like you but those who have open, enquiring minds.

Your passive-aggressive response is really a time-waster but I will respond for the benefit of others who may be looking in.
Paraphrasing, you say that Agenda 21 has no influence on our lives in the UK. (Agenda 2030 sets out more detail on how it’s to be implemented).

I say bollocks.

You say it’s voluntary but the UK Govt have signed up to it: ‘On behalf of the peoples we serve, we have adopted a historic decision on a comprehensive, far-reaching and people-centred set of universal and transformative Goals and targets. We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030.’(UN Declaration 25/27 Sept 2015).
The influence is there alright but rather insidious.

This is a global movement, coordinated through ‘a global to local action plan’. A key facet of that action plan is to push the agenda down to the most local levels in society. Agenda 21 describes itself as 'a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which humanity impacts on the environment'.

•Agenda 21 is being pursued by most Local Authorities who promote ‘sustainable development.’ (Local Government Act 2000).
•Common Purpose (‘leading beyond authority’). Regional Government. City Mayors.
•Public/Private Partnerships(Chapter 27 Agenda 21 (Strengthening The Role Of Non-governmental Organizations: Partners For Sustainable Development) is another feature.( Ever notice the Police/Council etc talking about their ‘partners?’).

There will be a myriad of stuff from the EU which is seamlessly absorbed into the system.

And the latest piece of shithousery is the ‘Global Compact for Migration’ to which May quietly signed up to last year.( https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/migration-compact).Guaranteed direct migration to the UK.

Bye for now.


I didn't mean the conference itself was a conspiracy, I meant the conspiracy that came from it (they had the conference and then this happened half a year later so they must be linked) was what I didn't believe. It wasn't a coincidence, one of the links you posted about it said they do 200 events a year. I imagine thousands of events relating to outbreaks have happened throughout history.

Why do you say that I've got a closed mind and you've got an open one? I've researched and looked into everything you provided and decided that I didn't believe that its a big plan. I've decided that one side has more probable facts than another. Is that closed minded?

So if our government does anything environmentally friendly then its a big event 21 conspiracy?
And for the migration thing. As a human rights and law professor said: 'The GCM is not only not binding legally, it is also drafted to be loose and facultative.

“It sets a broad range of quite general objectives, and for each of these, a range of possible actions that states (and indeed other actors) could pursue, if they so choose, in order to achieve those objectives.” Again, non binding so its not worth the paper it's written on in law. Still going to need more proof it's a big global conspiracy and we're actively taking part.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:35 pm

skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:30 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:



the problem with that..
a huge percentage of those of a reproductive age dont buy this at all... its mostly middle aged men/women frightened out of their wits.. calling the young idiots...
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Welshcake » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:07 am

skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?
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Postby ealing_ayatollah » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:56 am

skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:



the problem with that..
a huge percentage of those of a reproductive age dont buy this at all... its mostly middle aged men/women frightened out of their wits.. calling the young idiots...

I'll save it for a plot for a book then. :thumbup:
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:15 am

Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



populatiom 7.8 bilion divided by deaths deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:47 am

ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:



the problem with that..
a huge percentage of those of a reproductive age dont buy this at all... its mostly middle aged men/women frightened out of their wits.. calling the young idiots...

I'll save it for a plot for a book then. :thumbup:



just my observations . ive been out and about quite a lot over the last couple of weeks , beer gardens camp sites and beach areas etc are busier than ive ever seen them . traffic /isnt normal but is getting there..ive been invited to 3 all dayers 2 in Bristol 1 in Birmingham over the nxt 2 Saturdays all minibus trips.. . and most people i actually talk too are as mystyified as to whats going on as i am... do you know anyone thats dead ? seems to be a catch phrase... followed by erm sort of , mary down the roads gran died aged 89..but marys family didnt think she would see her 90th birthday anyway..
if you were an elite and manufactured a deadly virus ...seriously how happy would you be with these results. and would you seriously write a book about people being terrified of the large numbers of deaths but do not know of any themselves its hardly dawn of the dead is it ?

i do not disagree with the drip feed from the media.. the deaths covered are the 1% most likely to pull on the heart strings .. younger/ health workers etc without mention that 1700 people a day die in this country every day even when covid free and some of the 1700 are young and/or NHS workers.. the latest is this spike... really ? we have ramped up our testing , remember all the fuss because we were not hitting the 10k tests a day ? its now well over 200k , drop the mumber of tests back to 8k and the spike magically disappears..
anyway ..conspiracy is jury out. personally im erring on huge over reaction followed by being over cautious , having spent billions and crashed economies no leader wants to get caught out
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:39 am

skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Welshcake » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:49 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:00 am

Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:07 am

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?



if you KNOW youve given a 100 out and have a hundred dead, fair enough... if you have no idea how many pills youve given out { as we have no idea how many people have been exposed or infected by this VIRUS } .might be a hundred, might be 7 billion but have a hundred dead ... would you still say 100 % just assuming it must have been a hundred pills ? of course you wouldnt... bloody hell..
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:36 am

skidemin wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?



if you KNOW youve given a 100 out and have a hundred dead, fair enough... if you have no idea how many pills youve given out { as we have no idea how many people have been exposed or infected by this VIRUS } .might be a hundred, might be 7 billion but have a hundred dead ... would you still say 100 % just assuming it must have been a hundred pills ? of course you wouldnt... bloody hell..


Then it'd be better to use confirmed numbers wouldn't it?
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Welshcake » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:39 am

skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:


No I'm basing this on the estimated IFR based on estimated cases, you can google this yourself rather than taking your news from facey but incase you can't manage it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:22 pm

Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:


No I'm basing this on the estimated IFR based on estimated cases, you can google this yourself rather than taking your news from facey but incase you can't manage it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/




getting closer ? based on KNOWN cases.. when the entire world knows full well that there amount of un recorded is huge but the actual figure is UNKNOWMN..
i dont do FB but id imagine its a far better place to start than reading things but not understanding them...
if you think you have a 1% chance of dying buy a cave and go hide....
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Welshcake » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:06 pm

skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:


No I'm basing this on the estimated IFR based on estimated cases, you can google this yourself rather than taking your news from facey but incase you can't manage it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/




getting closer ? based on KNOWN cases.. when the entire world knows full well that there amount of un recorded is huge but the actual figure is UNKNOWMN..
i dont do FB but id imagine its a far better place to start than reading things but not understanding them...
if you think you have a 1% chance of dying buy a cave and go hide....


Try reading them, IFR is based on ESTIMATED CASES.

The recorded cases as of 1pm today are 18,261,622 with 693,414 deaths giving a mortality figure of 3.8%.

0.5%-1% is a realistic IFR, I know it is easier to bury your head in the sand to cope but get real a 1/4 of the worlds population haven't been infected not even close.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby skidemin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pm

skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:


No I'm basing this on the estimated IFR based on estimated cases, you can google this yourself rather than taking your news from facey but incase you can't manage it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/




getting closer ? based on KNOWN cases.. when the entire world knows full well that there amount of un recorded is huge but the actual figure is UNKNOWMN..
i dont do FB but id imagine its a far better place to start than reading things but not understanding them...
if you think you have a 1% chance of dying buy a cave and go hide....



btw.. early doors the worldometers site was showing a 45% death rate of closed cases { its down to 6% now } .. based on deaths over recoveries.. the maths was fine and still is for the numbers they were using.. but not if you give it any thought . like most of those unresolved will recover or just havent been recorded as recovered.. examples are the UK has at no point released recovered numbers, and the diamond princess 6 months later is still showing 48 active cases { extremely unlikely }
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Welshcake » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:51 pm

skidemin wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Welshcake wrote:
skidemin wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Josh,
you make a good point about looking at this in isolation but it's clearly not just about a shutdown for a few months and no holiday.

If nothing else a look at the video may prompt people to look further afield for analysis and comment.

There is lots out there regarding Gates and his virus patent, WHO politics, global governance etc if you go looking for it.

Event 201 is an interesting one. The October 2019 globalist conference on managing a viral pandemic.

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Here is a bloggers take on the communication strategy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/-727K585amo/

British Govt planning for id scheme and immunity passports

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid% ... t-lockdown

Didn't hear about that on the BBC.

EU vaccination scheme:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/healt ... map_en.pdf

You pays your money and takes your choice but it's worth thinking about.

If you really want to go to town read up on UN Agenda's 21. It's very useful in helping one to understand the often unexplained actions of governments.



tbh mate its not difficult to come up with a conspiracy , or film/book involving an epidemic..
what i do know is nobody has made an epidemic film or written a book { and there have been many } where the world is hit by this nasty virus that kills ONLY 1 in TWELVE THOUSAND people of which 90% are either very old, very ill or both... would hardly be box office or a best seller...
something isnt right... and the most mystifying thing is people are terrified, look at the above figures, brush them off and go back to being terrified... the virus isnt covid...its the complete and utter unreasonable fear..


1 in 12,000? Isn't it more like 1 in 200?



population iom 7.8 billion divided by deaths 660,000 = 1 in 11,800


'In fairness' to the virus shouldn't you only count the confirmed cases?
If I created a pill and gave it to 1000 people and it killed them all, would you say that it's only killed 1 in 100,000 (or whatever the world population figure would be) or 100%?


Yeah counting the entire worlds population is not how this works :lol:

The infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.4 and 1%. Worse case 1 in 100 die, best case 1 in 240.




so all the articles that state things like infected a quarter of the worlds population etc are wrong but welshcake is correct.,..nah mate think again... as for the IFR its based on KNOWN infections....to take that as a factual figure you have to be positive you KNOW how many have actually caught the virus... ive seen and heard a huge range of guesses from scientists and health chiefs re how many might have had this but were asymptomatic or very mild ranging from 20% to 50% of the population....your the very first to come up with zero :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5:


No I'm basing this on the estimated IFR based on estimated cases, you can google this yourself rather than taking your news from facey but incase you can't manage it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 73-3099(20)30257-7/fulltext
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... eath-rate/




getting closer ? based on KNOWN cases.. when the entire world knows full well that there amount of un recorded is huge but the actual figure is UNKNOWMN..
i dont do FB but id imagine its a far better place to start than reading things but not understanding them...
if you think you have a 1% chance of dying buy a cave and go hide....



btw.. early doors the worldometers site was showing a 45% death rate of closed cases { its down to 6% now } .. based on deaths over recoveries.. the maths was fine and still is for the numbers they were using.. but not if you give it any thought . like most of those unresolved will recover or just havent been recorded as recovered.. examples are the UK has at no point released recovered numbers, and the diamond princess 6 months later is still showing 48 active cases { extremely unlikely }


I'm not going to argue with stupid any more.

The percentage you are looking for IS the IFR, this is the figure estimating mortality not the random number generator you're working on.
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby Bluebina » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:57 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Well well well.
Who'd of thunk it?
Before you comment watch the video to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpB_GqAfro4



What a load of bollocks :laughing6:

The establishment created Covid-19 to keep the masses down :laughing5:
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby ealing_ayatollah » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:01 pm

skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:
ealing_ayatollah wrote:
skidemin wrote:i cant begin to believe how the word depopulate is even being used... how can you depopulate by killing a ridiculously low { when talking about depopultting } number of people whose life spans are very short anyway... ???????????

Hypothetically...

By creating mass hysteria over a disease that isn't anywhere near as fatal as it is being presented, through carefully co-ordinated drip-fed psychological coercion and subsequent iterative removal of rights to convince populations on masse that the disease is so deadly that the only way we can return to normal is via vaccination of the entire global population and then the 'discovery' a couple of years later that the hastily created vaccination actually 'accidentally' sterilised a significant proportion of those who took it.

Bill Gates has openly talked about the need for population reduction and the role vaccines could play in that, so there is some precedent for the idea at least. During a TedX speech he said "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent"

For balance, the counter argument put forward is that Gates is trying to reduce child mortality so mothers in Africa don't have to have so many children. The point being is that they have more kids because they don't know how many will survive - same as Europe a century or so ago basically.

To repeat this is all hypothetical, and I'm not saying that is necessarily my thoughts. (although there is a tin-foil hat on my avatar for a reason :lol: )

It's just as likely to my mind that the whole thing could be about pure and simple greed - Gates is set to become an even more wealthy man once he sells the vaccine. But... if I were part of a global shadow government hell-bent on global domination the above would definitely be one possible way i'd consider approaching reducing the population to being both subservient and at a more manageable level.

Depends how far down the rabbit hole folks want to go. But Mr Coat makes numerous very well made points around Agenda 21 etc and the links are worth further reading for those who want to explore it for themselves.

Dave Cullen's channel on youtube is also a good resource with some very good interviews around the topic for those who are interested https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT9D87 ... 7NHOR5DUOQ

Alternatively, it might just all make a damn good book. :thumbup:



the problem with that..
a huge percentage of those of a reproductive age dont buy this at all... its mostly middle aged men/women frightened out of their wits.. calling the young idiots...

I'll save it for a plot for a book then. :thumbup:



just my observations . ive been out and about quite a lot over the last couple of weeks , beer gardens camp sites and beach areas etc are busier than ive ever seen them . traffic /isnt normal but is getting there..ive been invited to 3 all dayers 2 in Bristol 1 in Birmingham over the nxt 2 Saturdays all minibus trips.. . and most people i actually talk too are as mystyified as to whats going on as i am... do you know anyone thats dead ? seems to be a catch phrase... followed by erm sort of , mary down the roads gran died aged 89..but marys family didnt think she would see her 90th birthday anyway..
if you were an elite and manufactured a deadly virus ...seriously how happy would you be with these results. and would you seriously write a book about people being terrified of the large numbers of deaths but do not know of any themselves its hardly dawn of the dead is it ?

i do not disagree with the drip feed from the media.. the deaths covered are the 1% most likely to pull on the heart strings .. younger/ health workers etc without mention that 1700 people a day die in this country every day even when covid free and some of the 1700 are young and/or NHS workers.. the latest is this spike... really ? we have ramped up our testing , remember all the fuss because we were not hitting the 10k tests a day ? its now well over 200k , drop the mumber of tests back to 8k and the spike magically disappears..
anyway ..conspiracy is jury out. personally im erring on huge over reaction followed by being over cautious , having spent billions and crashed economies no leader wants to get caught out


I suppose the question I'm asking would be is the virus the end goal or a tool for issuing greater authoritarian measures that pave the way for something even more nefarious. Creating a need/desire for every person on the planet to have a vaccination would be a good thing if you were an evil global elite.

Equally, your last point could just as easily be on the money. Country by country, leader by leader, no-one wants to be the one who got it wrong, so they've all followed each other. Problem no-one knows what they are doing.

There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:
I'm just a wine drinking monkey that has a penchant for fine bannanas. You can check out my human alter-ego singing and speaking nonsense on the you tube if you like @ https://www.youtube.com/user/sibaronimusic
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Re: Covid Conspiracy Theory - View from 2014

Postby CCFCJosh75 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:27 pm

ealing_ayatollah wrote:There are a lot of coincidential themes in the last 18 months that would appear to help move the world towards the agenda 21 aims listed above that don't stand up to any scrutiny yet have been pushed hard by the media and are accepted quite blindly by the majority Extintion Rebellion, BLM and Covid-19 all have massive questions around them when you look at the data. All have had a negative impact on western civilization.

Could just be coincidence but at a gut level, for me, it feels like something more.

I really, really hope I'm just a paranoid nut job mind you as the alternative is not good :thumbup:

Why do you think they decided to wait 28 years before doing anything then?
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